PC No Tier 6 Crafting
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The bottom line here is not the speed at which you can craft a T6 piece, but the fact that you cannot at all.
In the end you WILL be using T6 for endgame gear, and not ONE piece will be craft able. That throws crafting to the ♥♥♥♥ pile. If you cannot see that, you are deluded.
I don't care if I have a 5% chance to craft a purple per craft attempt with max crafting skill for that item. It should be possible is all I'm saying. You already HAVE to loot for the parts to make most items, why double down vs crafting and make us loot for parts AND get shafted on crafting quality?
In the end you WILL be using T6 for endgame gear, and not ONE piece will be craft able. That throws crafting to the ♥♥♥♥ pile. If you cannot see that, you are deluded.
I don't care if I have a 5% chance to craft a purple per craft attempt with max crafting skill for that item. It should be possible is all I'm saying. You already HAVE to loot for the parts to make most items, why double down vs crafting and make us loot for parts AND get shafted on crafting quality?
Roland
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This is true but you are acting as though the end of the game is the whole game.
For 90% of the game you will playing with gear that you CAN and DID craft. For you to eventually end up with all purple gear, that will represent 100s of hours of play during which the first 80% of that time you will have been playing with gear that you crafted and found that were not purple. Only at the end...THE END... as you, yourself put it, will you end up with all purples and only if you stick to one game for literally 100s of hours.
I feel like you are seeing this through the eyes of the past-- even the last version. We have never had a version where the higher tier qualities were actually rare. People would buy lucky looter and start getting top quality stuff by the second week. You are acting as though the end in terms of all purples is going to come by week 3 or week 4 at the most.
This part is not true because for 90% of the game you will be wanting to craft the top quality level that you can for the weapons you have specialized in. You go with shotguns and you may never ever find a blue or purple quality shotgun in the loot. You might find other blue and purple quality gear but never a shotgun. But you'll be able to craft a blue quality shotgun to use. Just because you might end up after 100s of hours with purples it doesn't mean that you didn't need to craft during most of the game up to that point.
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I cannot see the vast majority of players seriously looting for 100's of hours looking for purples while sifting through endless trash Q1-3 items. People will be burned out looting and just quit.
Second...why can we only be rewarded for 100's of hours of looting, not 100's of hours of crafting? Can anyone really say it's impossible to make getting a Q6 item take a long time? I bet not.
On a side note, if we are going to play up this whole random stat thing. Why not make the random stats more impactful and take away a quality number altogether...let the stats speak for themselves. Crafting bonuses from perks going into making the random stats better as you level?
Second...why can we only be rewarded for 100's of hours of looting, not 100's of hours of crafting? Can anyone really say it's impossible to make getting a Q6 item take a long time? I bet not.
On a side note, if we are going to play up this whole random stat thing. Why not make the random stats more impactful and take away a quality number altogether...let the stats speak for themselves. Crafting bonuses from perks going into making the random stats better as you level?
Roland
Community Moderator
Start warming up your uninstall finger...
True epic rarity of purples and super rarity of blues and very rarity of greens is the only way that this can go down and work and feel rewarding for both crafting and looting. When people feel they've played out their current world after spending 100 - 200 hours there they should still only have a handful of purple items.
Could you play for 1000s of hours to get ALL purple? Sure, you can try
Could you play for 1000s of hours to get ALL perks? Sure, you can try
But for most of the player base they are never going to see another game of all purple gear which means you won't see another game at all if you make good on your promise.
guess what? you can find level 5s too so you are WAAAY more likely to find something better than you can craft before you event think about crafting them. Also forget crafting steel tools before you get power tools. By the time you get the parts to make a steel tool you are going to FIND a power tool or a steel tool. Not to mention crafting has been split up so getting the skill to craft one thin doesn't let you craft everything anymore so it doesn't even matter if you can craft tier 6 because you cant craft tier 6 everything. But as I said it doesn't matter one way or another because you WILL find better stuff before you can craft them. at this point dumping all points you can into perception at the start to get lucky looter maxed is the best strategy. Hell its the only logical strategy at this point.
Roland
Community Moderator
No they won't. They will scrap their Q1-Q3 items for parts so they can craft Q4 and Q5 items and every once in awhile they will get something good and it will be exciting.
There are things in the game that you get rewarded for for crafting. You are focusing on one very narrow and targeting crafting product but we craft tons of other things that bring us benefits such as blocks for building, furniture and containers for storage and decorating, traps and defenses, farming plots, etc.
I think time will tell how this all goes and maybe TFP will change things up based on ongoing feedback over the next few months. Maybe instead of making QL6 the legendary level they will return that to us and create a QL7 for legendary. Or maybe not.