PC New zombie forcefield

POCKET951

POCKET951

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Combining slope plate filler+ Road paint mark create the same result as the old arrow slits. unpathable by zombies

You put the road paint marks over top of the slope plate fillers. Can we get this fixed? @faatal

If you stand in the middle Zombies are unable to path to you and they start attacking the ground and get confused as heck

That being said, people who like this, I encourage you to use and enjoy it as much as you like.
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POCKET951 said:
I think you are being sarcastic?
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I don't know what I am half the time; kinda just wanted to say that the pimps are surely following him close enough to know what he's up to.. :)

I don't mind the force fields, they don't really provide anything over an honest trench, just a minor quality of life upgrade being able to drive over one before getting electric doors.

 
POCKET951 said:
I think you are being sarcastic? I am terrible with sarcasm.  I just want to make him work harder to find the next busted thing so TFP can keep fixing force fields untill they are entirely gone.
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WHY?  HOW does someone else cheating "in this manner" hurt you in any way possible?   I won't use this but this does not cause you harm in any possible way so why would you(or for that matter the developers) give a ratsass?    I want the developers to spend time adding content and fix GAME breaking bugs, not exploits that people use in solo play that won't hurt anyone but their own pride.

#letcheaterscheat

 
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I mean, don't they usually start beating on everything if you don't give them a path of some sort to you? So they would eventually cause problems if you don't deal with them. There's always gonna be some sort of situation like this, but this one isn't perfect enough to worry about. It's not like they walk up to it and just stand there.  

 
JoeDaFrogman said:
WHY?  HOW does someone else cheating "in this manner" hurt you in any way possible?   I won't use this but this does not cause you harm in any possible way so why would you(or for that matter the developers) give a ratsass?    I want the developers to spend time adding content and fix GAME breaking bugs, not exploits that people use in solo play that won't hurt anyone but their own pride.

#letcheaterscheat
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I am not trying to deprive anyone of there fun. 

I just remember reading in the forums somewhere that they wanted to fix blocks that cause this kind of behaviour. I am doing this to try to help TFP make zombie pathing better and more consistent.

 
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POCKET951 said:
I think you are being sarcastic? I am terrible with sarcasm.  I just want to make him work harder to find the next busted thing so TFP can keep fixing force fields untill they are entirely gone.
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A popular 7 days streamer beat you to it.   Jawoodle managed to figure it out within 20 minutes about a week ago that the exact same blocks you posted can be used to stifle the zed AI.

 
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Ramethzer0 said:
I think what he is saying is that a popular streamer beat you to that.   Jawoodle managed to figure it out within 20 minutes about a week ago that the exact same blocks you posted can be used to stifle the zed AI.
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I mean I learned of it from Jawoodles Video. I just wanted to make sure TFP are aware of it.

I just wanted to make a simple demonstration of how it's achieved so they can replicate and fix it.  also if TFP decide to fix this, they don't have to skim trough a 20 minute video to figure it out.  the information here is laid out clearly and  quickly digestible.

also damn, I just got 4 dislikes in this thread. some people are salty.

 
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I'm always surprised at how well the zombies are able to path around an enviroment that can be changed on a whim.

I don't remember when, but weren't all these block shapes only recently added?  I guess they have a little ways to go before they are totally debugged.

 
POCKET951 said:
I am not trying to deprive anyone of there fun. 
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Not everyone enjoys the same thing. That's why you will always spoil someone's fun.

There are players who like to build small bases that don't need many resources and if possible the base should still stand after the horde. That's why they use something like the zombie force field to protect for example pillars that the zombies would destroy if they fall down and then go into destroy everything mode.

I do the exact opposite. My bases are usually huge, consume massive resources and would still standing even if the zombies would destroy half of the blocks of the foundation. But that's only because building is the most fun for me and a few destroyed blocks here and there are no big deal for me.

POCKET951 said:
I just wanted to make a simple demonstration of how it's achieved so they can replicate and fix it.  also if TFP decide to fix this, they don't have to skim trough a 20 minute video to figure it out.  the information here is laid out clearly and  quickly digestible.
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The zombies had consistent pathing in A17. You could build a huge maze and they traversed it perfectly without damaging a single block. And you could make them run in circles using a ramp and a jump.

But then the fun pimps decided that the zombies get angry when they fall down or are so lazy that they'd rather punch through the wall than take a longer path.
As time went on, more and more "features" were added and the zombies became more and more inconsistent in their behavior.

By now you have to take so many variables into account when building a base that you sometimes lose interest in base building and just stand on a roof and play the game as a stupid shooter.

 
JoeDaFrogman said:
I want the developers to spend time adding content and fix GAME breaking bugs, not exploits that people use in solo play that won't hurt anyone but their own pride.
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This fix would take such a miniscule amount of time that doing so would not take the place of adding new content. I wouldn't want TFP to spend time hunting down stuff like this as that could take a long time but if they are gift wrapped for them and the fix is easy and fast-- why not?

 
Roland said:
This fix would take such a miniscule amount of time
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This one may be a tad trickier; it relies on two blocks on the same plane, neither of which is a good candidate for actual pathing over, alone. It'll take a little more thinking than turning these into iron bars .. :)

 
Wouldn't removing collision from the paint lines do it? Without collision zombies would pass right through them and players couldn't stand on top of them. They don't need collision and in fact it is probably them having collision in the first place that makes everyone's bikes bounce off of nothing randomly when on roads. That might take care of both issues. Just a guess tho...

 
Roland said:
Wouldn't removing collision from the paint lines do it?
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I guess... it would be the only block of that type in the game though, wouldn't it? That might open up some weird cans of worms, at least for pvp .. :)

I don't think it'd fix the bike bounces, the ones I've experienced are just the same on asphalt as they are on flat terrain.

 
theFlu said:
I guess... it would be the only block of that type in the game though, wouldn't it?
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It wouldn't really become its own type. It would be a regular block with xml properties adjusted like bars. Bars are a block that have collision turned off vs projectiles and I believe there are values that can be added to any block to turn off collision vs other things--such as entities. So it would still remain a regular block but like bars would have a bit of xml modifying its collision values. Probably could even test it pretty easily by copying the line for bars that adjust their collision.

As for causing problems elsewhere and for PvP it's possible but I'm not sure how. Turning off collision doesn't increase their defensive or offensive properties. Their singular purpose is to lay on top of asphalt blocks. Because they have collision they are able to be repurposed for other things. Without collision they would be useless except as a very flat overlay on other blocks.

But I'm no programmer. Just spitballing. So you may be right and it could end up being a tricky fix that takes too much time in which case they probably shouldn't worry about it.

 
Roland said:
It wouldn't really become its own type.
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It would be the first to have a "visual area" without an associated collision for walking.

When the arrow slit -version was fixed they added collision for melee to it - can't hit or repair through one now. From that I assume melee collision and pathing are tightly connected, otherwise the melee would've been left alone (I'd think). This broke one of my uses for it, repairs for electric fences, but it's not that big of a deal.

Removing melee collision from the lines would make them unbreakable, no building on roads.

SI would have to be disabled or the lines could be used as an indestructible bottom for a base and the blocks would become a major nuisance.. of course, one wouldn't allow such blocks be placed by players, but you can repurpose an existing road.

If the melee and pathing are connected, it's not possible like that.

Just spitballing as well, but it doesn't look too easy :)

 
I like the idea of road marks being blocks we can build or use, and I understand why they are implemented as blocks for RWG

I guess it would take some brain storming and effort to make roadmarks  Paint brush options and purely cosmetic, becuase you would need road stamps to also generate pre painted and Idk anything about programming or world gen, but it seems tricky. 

 
Roland said:
Wouldn't removing collision from the paint lines do it? Without collision zombies would pass right through them and players couldn't stand on top of them. They don't need collision and in fact it is probably them having collision in the first place that makes everyone's bikes bounce off of nothing randomly when on roads. That might take care of both issues. Just a guess tho...
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Would turning off collision also mean we could build over the paint lines without having to beat them out?  I was trying to build a base in one of the parking garages and I had to destroy the floor under one of the paint lines so I could get underneath it to actually hit the hit box for the painted line.

 
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