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Bandicoot

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so TFP changed the perks so that they wouldnt require any level to be bought, then they changed their mind.

now we have the hammer and forge talents gated behind levels as it was at the beginning, the very reason people complained about it and made the change happen.

im confused

 
So basically, we now have gated forge and more expensive levels. :) It was actually easier to level in the Intelect tree in the first experimental.

 
So basically, we now have gated forge and more expensive levels. :) It was actually easier to level in the Intelect tree in the first experimental.
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yeh that, it looks a bit retarded now if i may say so. the first iteration of a17 perks was fine to me, maybe forge at lvl 10 would be nice yes but then the rest was alright as it was. plus at the end u can get every perk at level cap even with new more expensive atributes. so its just slower to the point that is not fun =(

 
They cut the level gates in general because they wanted people to have the freedom to specialize but they also want spacers between the tech levels. When they very first switched to a point economy gate from level gate they said that they would be looking at doing some surgical level gates to certain perks in order to give each tech level its era.

What's to be confused about?

A15 (mostly passive leveling) --> A16 (less passive leveling and more point spending and level gating) --> A17 (all point spending and level gating) --> (all point spending and no level gating) --> (all point spending and limited level gating)

Throughout all of this the concept of starting gimped and progressing to super has been the same. This seems like standard development of concept and experimentation that would go on before the final release. If development is confusing and disorienting and unpleasant then wait for the full release. Not one single person who purchases this game after it releases will go through the process illustrated above and will never have played the game with those different settings. They will just know the one where it finally settled after trial and error and experimentation.

 
What do these guys have against the forge! I feel like they balance the entire attribute and perk system around that one item. They made it so expensive in points that it's basically level-capped already. And if you rush the forge by dropping all your points in it you suffer in other ways like having no stamina/health, cant farm, duck at combat, cant gather resources. And that's fine. Thats how it's supposed to work. That's punishment enough for rushing it, no need to add the punishment AND level gates.

Removing level gates was praised by almost everybody, why would you bring back the most hated feature in the game?? You guys are supposed to be the FUN pimps, not actual pimps!

Us: "Hey big daddy, can I have a forge?"

TFP: *SLAP* "you want a forge b****!?, go get out on that corner and grind me some levels!!

But seriously guys, please get rid of these level gates, they are unnecessary. Your just destroying a certain kind of playstyle with nothing good being added by it.

 
Us: "Hey big daddy, can I have a forge?"

TFP: *SLAP* "you want a forge b****!?, go get out on that corner and grind me some levels!!
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This made me laugh IRL, then made me sad because truth.....

 
Removing level gates was praised by almost everybody, why would you bring back the most hated feature in the game?? You guys are supposed to be the FUN pimps, not actual pimps!
Us: "Hey big daddy, can I have a forge?"

TFP: *SLAP* "you want a forge b****!?, go get out on that corner and grind me some levels!!
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This is awesome!

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TY Kattla

 
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Well, you can go into the progression.xml and just change the levels to 1 or whatever you want.

It takes about 4 minutes.

 
Removing level gates was praised by almost everybody, why would you bring back the most hated feature in the game?? You guys are supposed to be the FUN pimps, not actual pimps!

Us: "Hey big daddy, can I have a forge?"

TFP: *SLAP* "you want a forge b****!?, go get out on that corner and grind me some levels!!
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See? Making up metaphorical dialogues is fun! :)

 
So many people want their hand held tightly. Remember that time you had to go out and LOOT and LOOT until you found the skill book to make the forge?

 
So many people want their hand held tightly. Remember that time you had to go out and LOOT and LOOT until you found the skill book to make the forge?
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Yes. That was the good time, now we just FIGHT and FIGHT until we are high enough a level or

have enough points. I think i fought a lot back then too, so not much have changed.

 
So many people want their hand held tightly. Remember that time you had to go out and LOOT and LOOT until you found the skill book to make the forge?
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I would much prefer book rng instead of, here's your forge/minibike/auger/ect. just because you spent a point here.

RNG and searching/looting everything made for such unique playthroughs imo.

 
I would much prefer book rng instead of, here's your forge/minibike/auger/ect. just because you spent a point here.
RNG and searching/looting everything made for such unique playthroughs imo.
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Personally I prefer not having the forge locked by RNG but I get that others prefer it. I'm fine with minibike, auger, etc. being RNG but not the forge. Just personal preference I guess.

 
I would much prefer book rng instead of, here's your forge/minibike/auger/ect. just because you spent a point here.
RNG and searching/looting everything made for such unique playthroughs imo.
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And it was so much more rewarding to find the book.

 
I would much prefer book rng instead of, here's your forge/minibike/auger/ect. just because you spent a point here.
RNG and searching/looting everything made for such unique playthroughs imo.
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Yes, i'm with you, the risk and reward of looting isn't so fun as it was, that feeling of YES! I can finally craft such n such, or that feeling of finally finding that WRENCH!

 
So many people want their hand held tightly. Remember that time you had to go out and LOOT and LOOT until you found the skill book to make the forge?
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AMAZING TIMES!!!!!

This is what to strive for! Make the 4X4 a lootable book for all I care. At least there's a real reason to go out and loot after a certain point.

 
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