PC Junk turret poll

[JCrook1028]

You want something removed that YOU DON'T USE, in a SINGLE PLAYER GAME.

Do you realize how a thread with a poll works? We post OUR own opinions...... Don't like it? fine but don't criticize someone for fulfilling the very purpose that the thread exists for. smh.

btw, when quoting and you remove part of the OP, that IS defined as editing.

To answer you, I play SP only, noy PVP so not sure why you keep bringing that up.

 

[JCrook1028]

The guy admitted he doesn't even use them and I'm pretty certain he hasn't used them on higher settings/game stage because I have and they are in no way OP.

Pretty certain? You can be totally certain I haven't used that at "higher" gamestages because as I said, I refuse to use them at all while they are so OP. The REASON I fell they are so OP is that you can stand right in front of them while they shoot right thru you... Show me another weapon in the game that can do that. Go stand in front of a shotgun turret, or a dart trap and tell me what happens. Now why is the JUNK turret magically so much SMARTER than those? To me they're nothing but a huge exploit of the game physics mechanics.

 

[ZombieSurvivor]

Pretty certain? You can be totally certain I haven't used that at "higher" gamestages because as I said, I refuse to use them at all while they are so OP. The REASON I fell they are so OP is that you can stand right in front of them while they shoot right thru you... Show me another weapon in the game that can do that. Go stand in front of a shotgun turret, or a dart trap and tell me what happens. Now why is the JUNK turret magically so much SMARTER than those? To me they're nothing but a huge exploit of the game physics mechanics.

Turrets op???? why do people keep saying this.

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[manOyore]

I don't see how one person using the junk turret has an effect on anyone else's game so let people do as they please. Don't like it..don't use it. This game can easily be abused and cheated in many ways, if that's the goal then people are going to do it no matter what. Taking out the turret wont change that, it just takes away another toy that some people quite enjoy playing with. The turrets fit in perfectly fine in a "Mad Max" type world where you scavenge the wasteland looking for parts to build what you need to survive.
I voted 4 for freedom and if freedom is too easy for you, raise the difficulty.

My sentiments exactly. I'm actually surprised there is even a poll for this.

I didn't find a junk turret until day 13 and like most people I loot and quest nonstop when starting out. I didn't find a level 5 Junk turret until much later and the other 6-7 were level 1's and 2's. So from my experience the drop rate seems ok.

I don't think the junk turret is OP. You need to add some mods and a couple of points in Turrets Syndrome to make it somewhat effective on horde nights. It helps but certainly doesn't stop the horde for me.

The cost for ammo seems fair to me. I burned through 1000 rounds of ammo in the day 70 horde which is 3000 iron. I like to loot and explore, not grind for iron. 3 iron for 1 ammo is just right IMHO.

I find the M60 quite powerful and useful, hopefully there won't be a poll to remove/nerf that next....

 

[Ornias]

They work well very early game, not so much later. I voted to keep them. When are we getting the T800 tech tree?

 

[Hellsmoke]

Do you realize how a thread with a poll works? We post OUR own opinions...... Don't like it? fine but don't criticize someone for fulfilling the very purpose that the thread exists for. smh.
btw, when quoting and you remove part of the OP, that IS defined as editing.

To answer you, I play SP only, noy PVP so not sure why you keep bringing that up.

Yes I know how polls work, I left my opinion and you challenged it so I defended it. You don't use the turrets nor do you need to, you only play single player so no worries about pvp etc. You simply want something removed or changed that other people enjoy playing with because you don't like it passively being in your game but I digress and respectfully disagree.

 

[JCrook1028]

Yes I know how polls work, I left my opinion and you challenged it so I defended it.

I suggest you go back thru this thread and see who the first person was to challenge the other's opinion. I posted TO THE OP. Not to you. YOU then quoted and responded to ME, not to the OP. Facts matter, try to use them.

 

[Khissi]

I play single player, usually in experimental, and specialize in Intel. I dearly love my junk turrets. Unlike some here, I don't usually start using them a lot until after about level 40ish, when I've picked up a point or two and have a turret that's at least Tier 3. They really come into their own after gamestage 130 or so, and especially when you've got all 5 points spent and can use two at a time. Tier 6, modded with Rad remover, cripple em, barrel extenders, and drum mags are what keeps an Intel spec person alive and viable without having lots of points spent into other weapon types and are vital for Tier 5 missions. (I hate you, Shotgun Messiah Factory).

Now, I do like my pistols for POI fun, but once you start getting lots of radiated zombies, cops, and multiple other nasties, you really need the backup those turrets provide even without having reached 5 points spent. Please, do NOT nerf my sweet babies!!

 

[Kalen]

I play single player, usually in experimental, and specialize in Intel. I dearly love my junk turrets. Unlike some here, I don't usually start using them a lot until after about level 40ish, when I've picked up a point or two and have a turret that's at least Tier 3. They really come into their own after gamestage 130 or so, and especially when you've got all 5 points spent and can use two at a time. Tier 6, modded with Rad remover, cripple em, barrel extenders, and drum mags are what keeps an Intel spec person alive and viable without having lots of points spent into other weapon types and are vital for Tier 5 missions. (I hate you, Shotgun Messiah Factory).
Now, I do like my pistols for POI fun, but once you start getting lots of radiated zombies, cops, and multiple other nasties, you really need the backup those turrets provide even without having reached 5 points spent. Please, do NOT nerf my sweet babies!!

This is a great point.... Junk turrets are an INT based character's ranged weapon. So when talking about balance, you have to compare it to other ranged weapons. Nerf them too hard, and you reduce the viability of an INT based build.

 

[Maynard69]

Just change the perk in the INT tree from "be able to craft turrets" to "be able to use and craft turrets" @lvl3. Then only INT characters can use them. No more OP crutches for other more powerful builds unless they invest in to INT a bit. Also fixes the realism a bit for those that care, since you gotta be a smart MacGyver type to pull it off.

 

[Birkenhoff]

I suggest you go back thru this thread

Pretty certain? You can be totally certain

Do you realize how a thread with a poll works?

Whoa, that's what I call passiv aggressive.

 

[Ghostlight]

Junk Turrets are totally OP. I don't think they should be removed but I felt I had to vote (1) because they are pretty much an exploit right now. If left in their current OP state yes they should absolutely be removed, but I'd prefer they were balanced. Considering they stun and stagger, take no Gunpowder for their ammo (seriously WTH????), need no power source (I assume they use 'Magic") and do not have friendly fire, can be upgraded with 4 extremely powerful mods, you cannot argue they are not ridiculously OP. Also being portable...sheesh, they are just so much better than every other Turret in the game by a wide margin.

 

[Ghostlight]

The cost for ammo seems fair to me. I burned through 1000 rounds of ammo in the day 70 horde which is 3000 iron.

Do you even realise how laughable this statement is? 3000 Iron for the day 70 horde; wow I bet that broke the bank.

This is a great point.... Junk turrets are an INT based character's ranged weapon. So when talking about balance, you have to compare it to other ranged weapons. Nerf them too hard, and you reduce the viability of an INT based build.

The very fact their ammo takes no Gunpowder is why this comparison is ridiculous. But if you insist on making it....They are superior to every other ranged weapon in the game.

 

[Synvastian]

Do you even realise how laughable this statement is? 3000 Iron for the day 70 horde; wow I bet that broke the bank.
The very fact their ammo takes no Gunpowder is why this comparison is ridiculous. But if you insist on making it....They are superior to every other ranged weapon in the game.

pneumatic firing exists for the lack of gunpowder, as does electromagnetism for railguns.

and he might have used normal ammo and traps....the 1000 rounds (3000 iron) could have been what his last ditch defense alone used, it would have been significantly more if it was junk turret focused

 

[Ghostlight]

I wasn't saying the science behind them was hooky (though pneumatic and magnetic would still require power, right?) just that they are not remotely balanced with the other ranged weapons and turrets in the game that do require gunpowder/power/both.

 

[Synvastian]

fair point, although how do you balance the energy/power usage since it would then require 3 resources to maintain? (repair kits, battery/power source and ammo)

needing 3 resources to maintain, on top of being the only tier of its weapon type (unless they add solo place-able smg/shotty turrets (locked behind high INT if it happens) make it a disadvantages weapon for INT users, as the damage is abysmal per round (yes it has increased RoF and ammo capacity as it levels up*) but round for round, it can't put a radiated down fast enough to be solo viable unlike an AK or even the double barrel shotgun

*edit: The damage does increase, but a turret with base 15 getting 40% more damage isn't all that great..imo

 

[manOyore]

pneumatic firing exists for the lack of gunpowder, as does electromagnetism for railguns.
and he might have used normal ammo and traps....the 1000 rounds (3000 iron) could have been what his last ditch defense alone used, it would have been significantly more if it was junk turret focused

Correct assumption, after replacing all the metal spikes, bars and steel blocks etc. after the horde, I really don't have much iron left to spare. And like I said in my post, I like to loot and explore, not grind for more iron. I do primarily use the M60, Magnum and Pistol for the horde btw.

To be fair, if I had a cheese base where all the Z's are coming at me from one direction, I could see where some might think the junk turret is OP. If I didn't stealth through POI's and use my crossbow to clear out the Z's and just plopped down a junk turret to do all the killing, I could see why some might say it is OP.

It all comes down to how you use it. Like Hellsmoke said earlier, "I don't see how one person using the junk turret has an effect on anyone else's game so let people do as they please. Don't like it..don't use it." I don't concern myself with dictating how others play the game and hope others would do the same.

I'm glad I made Ghostlight laugh...Cheers mate

 

[Kalen]

The very fact their ammo takes no Gunpowder is why this comparison is ridiculous. But if you insist on making it....They are superior to every other ranged weapon in the game.

Why is it a ridiculous comparison? Because it's ammo doesn't use gunpowder??

Just as a quick comparison I looked at a QL1 pistol vs QL1 junk turret

Damage: pistol 33, turret 13

Range: pistol 17, turret 10

Rounds PM: pistol 171, turret 99

It's not even close.... the pistol is superior.

 

[Ghostlight]

I'm glad I made Ghostlight laugh...Cheers mate

Anyone playing on less than Insane makes me laugh, m8.

 

[Ghostlight]

Why is it a ridiculous comparison? Because it's ammo doesn't use gunpowder??
Just as a quick comparison I looked at a QL1 pistol vs QL1 junk turret

Damage: pistol 33, turret 13

Range: pistol 17, turret 10

Rounds PM: pistol 171, turret 99

It's not even close.... the pistol is superior.

Only because you are not comparing every aspect of each one. You are only comparing those aspects where the Pistol is superior. So....duh? A Ford Pinto is better than a Ferrari if the only stats we evaluate them on are price and miles per gallon.