PC Its Annoying That Streamers Get the Game First!

SpaceBound said:
After reading all of posts on releasing A20 only for streamers first, it still does not make sense if you think about one key factor, its about releasing the game. When TFP releases A 20 it will attract new streamers and new players anyway. No matter if its only for Streamers or for everyone. TFP still can watch their beautiful creation being played. Players that are already playing and know the game will watch the Streams.

Please dont quote semi-negative stuff i have written that has no weight on this topic just to belittle me and make me look bad, thats childish, if you cant respect others and their opinions then you should not really talk with people, sad thing is it comes from guy with over 11k posts. Peace.
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It seems to me that your demands to give the game to everyone at once look selfish, because you don't think about which option will be the best for the game and the game studio, you think about what will be best for you. And the game, by the way, deserves huge popularity, and if the stream weekend contributes to this popularity, then so be it, isn't it? :eyebrows:

I am one of those streamers who will get early access to A20. I'm not bragging about it, I just hope that you will express everything you think about me and calm down, and the TFP team will be able to finish the work calmly.
Do you want TFP to hear other people's opinions? I want it too, and here's my opinion: keep up the good work, guys, you'll do everything right. I think so now, I thought so even before I started creating videos on Youtube. 😎

 
Games'n'Grumble said:
It seems to me that your demands to give the game to everyone at once look selfish, because you don't think about which option will be the best for the game and the game studio, you think about what will be best for you. And the game, by the way, deserves huge popularity, and if the stream weekend contributes to this popularity, then so be it, isn't it? :eyebrows:

I am one of those streamers who will get early access to A20. I'm not bragging about it, I just hope that you will express everything you think about me and calm down, and the TFP team will be able to finish the work calmly.
Do you want TFP to hear other people's opinions? I want it too, and here's my opinion: keep up the good work, guys, you'll do everything right. I think so now, I thought so even before I started creating videos on Youtube. 😎
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Thanks for response on this Sir, i have no demands mate im just stating facts, it makes no sense. Please dont feel offended by my opinion, all you can do is to respect it, the same way i respect your opinion and the fact that i cant change what TFP will do about this.

Yess, in any case this will be huge when it comes out and im waiting patiently, no matter if you Sir or other Streamers get hands on it before me. 

 
I need more   :popcorn: watching yet another round of "Teh Streemerz...  :rant: "

Gotta work, so guess I'll just have to settle for more :ranger:

 
bachgaman said:
What is the name of when a person likes to observe, and not to do it himself? There is a word for such people
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"TV viewer", "sports spectator", "audience", "media consumer"  ? 😉

I've been watching action movies all my live but never jumped from  3 story buildings with guns balzing myself. I know, I know, this doesn't look good, I really should don a cape and mask and hit random people I suspect of wrongdoing 😁

 
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SpaceBound said:
After reading all of posts on releasing A20 only for streamers first, it still does not make sense if you think about one key factor, its about releasing the game. When TFP releases A 20 it will attract new streamers and new players anyway. No matter if its only for Streamers or for everyone. TFP still can watch their beautiful creation being played. Players that are already playing and know the game will watch the Streams.
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Surely yes, but the less their usual game play has to do with 7D2D the less likely they are to notice or stream it. Imagine you are a streamer and you usually play survival games. Would you play a new space sim just because it gets a new alpha version? Surely not, you can't play all the new games anyway. Some of those "fringe" streamers have a play list not that far from survival/horror so they just need a small push aka an incentive to select 7D2D. And exclusivity is one way to lure them over.

Why? Because they expect new viewers from the 7D2D audience, they expect their own viewers interested as well for a "sneak peek" (just like movie premieres are a draw for audiences as well).

Now if you really want to know, ask a random streamer. It doesn't even matter whether he is right about that assumption to get more and new viewers at such an event, if he believes it it makes him more likely to stream such an event.

SpaceBound said:
Please dont quote semi-negative stuff i have written that has no weight on this topic just to belittle me and make me look bad, thats childish, if you cant respect others and their opinions then you should not really talk with people, sad thing is it comes from guy with over 11k posts. Peace.
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bachgaman said:
What is the name of when a person likes to observe, and not to do it himself? There is a word for such people
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The word in English is “spectator”. Glad to help you spruce up your language skills. Btw billions of dollars are generated each year thanks to spectators. Spectators have created several huge industries. 
 

There. I’ve used the word in a few sentences as well so you are sure to remember and understand. 

 
Roland said:
The way I think it could be super valuable is if Laz works all night long Sunday to switch up all the traps and jump scares he designed into the POIs from the way people watched the streamers encounter them to something different and unexpected. Come on Laz. Don't be lazy.
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Y'all control the code. Make all landmines appear and act like air blocks during the streamer weekend.

 
meganoth said:
"TV viewer", "sports spectator", "audience", "media consumer"  ? 😉

I've been watching action movies all my live but never jumped from  3 story buildings with guns balzing myself. I know, I know, this doesn't look good, I really should don a cape and mask and hit random people I suspect of wrongdoing 😁
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No, not that. And your analogy is just incredibly disgusting. Streamers don't kill zombies in real life. They usually play very poorly in a game they don't like and portray fake emotions / express fake thoughts. Usually almost anyone who watches them can play this game. But somehow they don't play. They are watching.

Roland said:
The word in English is “spectator”. Glad to help you spruce up your language skills. Btw billions of dollars are generated each year thanks to spectators. Spectators have created several huge industries. 
 

There. I’ve used the word in a few sentences as well so you are sure to remember and understand. 
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Another word. Has something to do with old

 
bachgaman said:
No, not that. And your analogy is just incredibly disgusting. Streamers don't kill zombies in real life.
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I'm absolutely flabbergasted how my analogy can be read that way. Are you hunting for things to be mad about ? 

An analogy is an analogy because some things are similar and some are not (otherwise it would be the thing itself). And the analogy was about the watchers not the ones they watch.

bachgaman said:
They usually play very poorly in a game they don't like and portray fake emotions / express fake thoughts. Usually almost anyone who watches them can play this game. But somehow they don't play. They are watching.
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This is absolutely identical to a sports spectator. Almost anyone can hit a ball with his foot or hit a tennis ball, even if only 1 in ten gets over the net. And still they watch and don't play. Is it your place to tell them what to do? Did you never ever watch a sports game or are you throwing stones in a glass house ?

 
bachgaman said:
Another word. Has something to do with old
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It's actually not old people that like streamers, it's old people like us who don't like them lol. Kids and zoomers are the ones who are obsessed with watching someone else play a video game instead of playing it themselves. It's mostly just a generational thing / mindset thing, where some of us are loners or grew up before the internet and don't want / need parasocial relationships and some do. But even pre-internet generations had people O B S S E S S E D with sports and sports teams the same way, or celebrities and celebrity gossip etc.

I'm anti streamer  in a "I don't really get it, but you do you" way, but it's pretty understandable for TFP to take the free advertising streamers offer. What's not understandable is Roland not pushing TFP to actively reach out themselves to Cover or a specific Hololive talent to showcase it. Free market on the tablet that's probably got more live viewer base than every other streamer on the list combined, SMH my head, just so SMH

 
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SpaceBound said:
After reading all of posts on releasing A20 only for streamers first, it still does not make sense if you think about one key factor, its about releasing the game.
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It doesn't make sense because you refuse to acknowledge the main reason I already explained: Soft launch. That reason by itself justifies allowing one group to have it a few days before the general population. You can't argue against that reason and so you ignore it and keep stating that it makes no sense. 

SpaceBound said:
Please dont quote semi-negative stuff i have written that has no weight on this topic just to belittle me and make me look bad, thats childish, if you cant respect others and their opinions then you should not really talk with people, sad thing is it comes from guy with over 11k posts. Peace.
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So it is the quoting of "semi" negative stuff that is childish and makes someone look bad? It isn't the fact that that person posted it in the first place? I respect your opinion that TFP should not hold the event. I don't respect your stereotyping speech mingled in with that opinion. And if it has nothing to do with the topic then why did you post it? Because like all who employ ad hominem in their arguments you mistakenly believe that it adds weight to it. I don't blame you for not liking getting called out on it but as an 11k+ poster I have seen a lot of posts in my day and I know prejudice when I read it and I have no respect for it.

You can apologize for it and I'll respect that and even let it be bygones but that's as far as I'll go.

 
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Khalagar said:
What's not understandable is Roland not pushing TFP to actively reach out themselves to Cover or a specific Hololive talent to showcase it. Free market on the tablet that's probably got more live viewer base than every other streamer on the list combined, SMH my head, just so SMH
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Is this a joke? If not, can you stop? It has been explained to you multiple times how the process works.

 
yes it's a joke, I thought that was obvious lol. My point though is that the process is a passive approach "offer it to small streamers who ask" when an active  "reach out and offer it to streamers" would work a lot better since it likely wouldn't even require a sponsored stream to get streamers that are way bigger. Even a sponsored stream probably wouldn't cost much and would be a pretty good use of advertising budget

If gonna do a streamer weekend, might as well go big and try to nab some of the streamers that get thousands / tens of thousands of views per video and already play the game too, who probably would be open to playing, but are too busy to keep up with when experimental releases launch

 
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