PC It doesnt matter if we can "craft" T6
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Most people don't remember this at this point, but there used to be a skill dedicated to repairing items more efficiently. Repairs degraded all equipment, but if you took the repair perks, the quality degradation was small. However, this was when each item quality was set into 100's instead of just 1-6.
I loved having someone who could be a dedicated "repair guy" because without the skill, you would degrade your gear fast.
I loved having someone who could be a dedicated "repair guy" because without the skill, you would degrade your gear fast.
Brian9824
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Do you think you can build a big horde base for day 50 with buying and looting iron, cement, cobblestone, steel, and still have money left to buy your ammo? I can't, need a crafter for that.
Mining and crafting the ores to cobblestone, concrete, forged iron, steel and bullets is still the only way to survive endgame for the normal player.
Yes, in previous alphas the crafter was even indispensible for armor and in multiplayer practically even for the weapons. Third week in a MP game and the crafter gave you a full suit of everything in highest quality.
Now there is some balance, with personal equipment coming from loot, horde base and ammo through crafting. Naturally when you had a few unbalanced alphas as only experience and look at A18, it seems unbalanced by comparison.
Can you say in which experimental version you found all your purples? There was a loot nerf in the last version that came out last Friday(?). And there will be a trader nerf coming soon, MM already announced that. Lets see if you still get all Q6 after the nerf
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Ghostlight
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That's one story. Mine is different. By day 7 i had found a tier 6 Steel Pick, Pump Shotgun and AK47 (with 0 points in Lucky Looter for the record). Why would I ever bother to "waste" perk points being able to craft those items now? Crafting of those particular items is now rendered pointless, or at best very very very very low priority.
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Ghostlight
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Mod slots are also RNG. Most Tier 6 items I have found have only 4 mod slots.
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That's how it used to be, pre-A17. No way TFP will admit they made a mistake and go back to the good old days.
They are not random. ALL Q6 items have 4 mod slots.
(Note: there is tier and quality. Sadly people often say tier when they mean quality. There are 3 tiers for each weapon, with axes stone axe is tier1, iron axe tier2 and steel axe tier3)
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Brian9824
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Easily. Those cement bags and blue pallets scattered around give out a TON of cement and cobblestone. I'm not sure why you would imply i'm buying those ingredients or resources. I use a tool that I bought or found to gather them and pump my points into resource gathering. I will probably always level miner 69'r for the damage boost, not for crafting.
I don't need any points into any weapon skill, any armor skill. Heck by day 20 I had already found or bought shcematics to forge, chemistry station, work bench and cement mixer so no points even needed there as well as most weapons and items. I can run trader missions and get 15x first aid bandages from doing 1 mission and swim in them. With natural healing perk I hardly ever use meds and just regen my damage.
Current build, found most of that last night running 2-3 quests and 2-3 of those from the trader. It's always possible the trader nerf will change things, but its also possible it won't. No way to say until we see it. As of now if its not at least blue I sell it. Have over 90k dukes atm without even really trying.
Kattla
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In reply to the first post:
True that. I just facepalmed when i learned about baseball bat "parts". Just totally generic and unimmersive.
And with the trader, and food in magicly restocking vending machines, i wouldn't even call it a survival game either.
No, i am not against loot. Loot is good. But if we can swim in it, we can also drown in it. Used to be the little spice or salt on our food, now it is like salt and spice with a little sprinkle of food (gameplay).
I did say "buying and looting" so I'm not sure why you would imply that I am Implying :cocksure:
So you found 7-8 purple items with looting in two in-game days at lvl 40 ?
Brian9824
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No I found 7-8 purple items pretty much in 1.5 hours of gameplay. Thats not counting the ton of blue items I found as well. I have 4/5 in lucky looter and a pair of glasses that add another 19 points. If you add items from trader thats another 15+ purple items as well and it's wear I got my purple leather chest armor that i'm using until I find my military armor chest piece.
Next time i'm looting i'll take some screenshots as I open the chests so you can see what i'm finding.
Brian9824
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That is almost 3 weeks out of date. The most recent changes are listed here - https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?130065-Announcement-A18-b152-EXP
Quite clearly says
I get that we won't get q6 crafting A18 and I already decided to not ask for it during A18 anymore. I also will test A18 for multiple games without q6 crafting and with (modded) q6 crafting. If the topic comes up in A19 experimental again and q6 crafting is still not a thing, I can (and maybe will) give feedback based in my experiences.
But I really wonder about some arguments against it, like:
I don't need an obligation to go out, I need an adventure to go out and A17 delivered that better than A15 and A16 did. A18 even improved it. So why would I even want to stay in a cave and stare at a wall?
On top of that you need to do the same thing (hence why risk is equal), so if you aim for crafting, chances are you already get it from looting on the way.
If your weapon of choice shares parts with 2 other weapons, just multiply the needed parts by 3 to remain balance.
If you want parts being loot on itself or being sold at the trader, just raise the number of needed parts accordingly.
The only downside is that you overall have a higher chance to get a q6 item for the slot you are specialized in than for other slots (which still remain completely on looting), since you have now two equal ways to obtain it. But is it really a problem, if your specialization actually has an impact on how you play? I mean isn't that the point why you specialize?
But I really wonder about some arguments against it, like:
I don't even want that. Despite A17 had that option, I liked A17 more than A15 and A16, because going outside actually was fun. Yes A17 had it's flaws and yes I didn't NEED to go outside, but I WANTED to get outside, because we had interesting pois that weren't cleared in seconds. We had mods that changed our weapons and tools. The world looked a lot better. New vehicles were fun. We had quests we could do.
I don't need an obligation to go out, I need an adventure to go out and A17 delivered that better than A15 and A16 did. A18 even improved it. So why would I even want to stay in a cave and stare at a wall?
Yes, both being equal would be balanced. But they aren't equal without q6 crafting. To make them equal both need to have the same potential power, chances, effort and risk. Right now looting is ahead in all of them aside from risk where they are equal.
On top of that you need to do the same thing (hence why risk is equal), so if you aim for crafting, chances are you already get it from looting on the way.
Actually you kinda can thanks to weapon parts being a thing. Let the player craft q5 and q6 items. Leave q5 at 15 (or how many it currently is) parts needed. Now look at the chances for looting q6 items. Take that 1 out of x chance and make q6 crafting needing x*3 (due to 3 parts per scrapped item) weapon parts. Now you have the same chance to find a q6 item as you have to craft a q6 item. If you don't want to use that many resources you still can craft q5 items.
If your weapon of choice shares parts with 2 other weapons, just multiply the needed parts by 3 to remain balance.
If you want parts being loot on itself or being sold at the trader, just raise the number of needed parts accordingly.
The only downside is that you overall have a higher chance to get a q6 item for the slot you are specialized in than for other slots (which still remain completely on looting), since you have now two equal ways to obtain it. But is it really a problem, if your specialization actually has an impact on how you play? I mean isn't that the point why you specialize?