PC How long would you survive a zombie apocalypse?

[Matt115]

And handcuffed to a bed that zombie would still be a manageable danger. Call the terminator with the spear. Yes, this is simplifying what would be extreme measures in a harsh and dangerous world. But as long as humanity can keep the zombies at low numbers.

Sure they will try to gain more wealth and power. Who said anything against that. But what does that have to do with the topic? Covid made a few companies and rich people massively richer. And poor countries got the short straw. But concerning Covid, essentially it worked, the whole world put up new rules, ran around with masks and slowly got vaccinated. With the wealthy doing their own thing.  

What YOU are forgetting is that when civilization brakes down the rich may have the best chances to survive, sure, but they can't fly to Acapulco for a vacation anymore, go to the best doctor to get their face lifted or buy the newest yacht. They are as interested in an intact civilization as you are.

Well zombie outbreak don't need to be  fall of civilisation - to stop this can be used tactical nuke.  But okay let's say that civilisation falled. a lot of rich houses are like a fortress- barbed wire cameras, food storage ,helicopters , even some rich people have forest with rivers surrounding by fences etc. Even private island exist so there is a chance that rich person just evac on such island and wait until zombie will wiped out/ there will be almost no humans on "continent". Plus - some rich people live in secluded places. So i think that  guy have more chances that guy in typical flat. Another pro for island - easy to monitor and hard to find.  Ofc you can use map but without  GPS for typical civilan it would be impossible to find. So yeah situation is pretty good. In TWD  Someone Figured Out How Many People Are Still Alive In The Walking Dead Universe, And It's Crazy | Cinemablend after 614 days there is 382 885 survivors and unknown number of zombie. Okay - let's say they don't have to worry about left nuclear warheads and nuclear plant to blow up - probably 5 000 of them can be people hired by rich people before zombie outbreak + their familes ( it's good to have loyal stuff  right?) - if scientist are correct - enough to rebuild civilsation. Still much better situation that nuclear war or attack of aliens. Well 28 is about that - rich company decided to recreate city in UK after zombie outbreak - this allow them to create automatic "smart" city - ofc they failed because inteligent zombie but who could expect.  In TWD virus is not like B4B parasite - just accident but was made by humans- so there is a chance that's some people are immune against this virus and conclusions from first few seasons. 

But what about "fungus" zombies in "girl with all gift style" - well in this situation well everyone would probably became zombie. 

Parasite type of zombie would be very dangerous for everyone if can multiply in water and everyone wouild became zombie like in fungus sitation. 

So... everything depends on type of zombie

 

[Roland]

I see the Covid pandemic as the perfect pre-cursor to a global zombie pandemic having already caused the world to feel "quarantine fatigue".  If a brand new epidemic sprang up today I doubt we would even have toilet paper shortages and an even larger percentage would just say no thank you to "stay in place and shelter" policies. With the population resistant to going back to the policies of 2020 and nobody wanting to do distance learning again for school and all the small businesses who barely made it through to the end of 2021 absolutely refusing to shut down again, I could see a fast spreading virus take much of the world before people resigned themselves to go back to a Covid 2020 lifestyle.

We all know someone who still acts like its 2020... they will be the ones who live the longest-- especially if they also happen to be Preppers as well...haha

 

[Matt115]

I see the Covid pandemic as the perfect pre-cursor to a global zombie pandemic having already caused the world to feel "quarantine fatigue".  If a brand new epidemic sprang up today I doubt we would even have toilet paper shortages and an even larger percentage would just say no thank you to "stay in place and shelter" policies. With the population resistant to going back to the policies of 2020 and nobody wanting to do distance learning again for school and all the small businesses who barely made it through to the end of 2021 absolutely refusing to shut down again, I could see a fast spreading virus take much of the world before people resigned themselves to go back to a Covid 2020 lifestyle.

We all know someone who still acts like its 2020... they will be the ones who live the longest-- especially if they also happen to be Preppers as well...haha

There is a big diffrent bettwen covid and zombie virus. Normal person woudn't see virus while zombie would see without problems. Let's say that started outbreak in small city in USA. Live stream , photos everwhere so even if police/military would deal fast with outbreake - still all around world would start economical crash riots robbery because.... a lot of people watched zombie movies right so they would try to get food, weapons etc. start blame each other, create theories about zombie virus etc. So while zombie outbreak could be stopped pretty fast , consequences would be terrible

 

[meganoth]

There is a big diffrent bettwen covid and zombie virus. Normal person woudn't see virus while zombie would see without problems. Let's say that started outbreak in small city in USA. Live stream , photos everwhere so even if police/military would deal fast with outbreake - still all around world would start economical crash riots robbery because.... a lot of people watched zombie movies right so they would try to get food, weapons etc. start blame each other, create theories about zombie virus etc. So while zombie outbreak could be stopped pretty fast , consequences would be terrible

Exactly. I would really really like to see the report on fox news where a self-proclaimed "scientist" explains that all the humans eating other humans in the videos are just having a harmless form of rabies

 

[Roland]

There is a big diffrent bettwen covid and zombie virus.

Where did I say they were the same thing?  I wasn’t comparing the real virus with the hypothetical virus or even the manner in which it spread and how a zombie virus spread. I was simply talking about social fatigue and resistance over taking the strong measures that would be required if a new pandemic hit….zombie or otherwise. 

 

[Matt115]

Where did I say they were the same thing?  I wasn’t comparing the real virus with the hypothetical virus or even the manner in which it spread and how a zombie virus spread. I was simply talking about social fatigue and resistance over taking the strong measures that would be required if a new pandemic hit….zombie or otherwise. 

I mean : at least there would be reaction of people about zombie virus because "normal" virus would be "boring" so people would don't care about that

 

[Roland]

I mean : at least there would be reaction of people about zombie virus because "normal" virus would be "boring" so people would don't care about that

What if the first highly contagious stage was simply flu-like symptoms and by time the news showed footage of a guy eating another guy it was too late because a significant percentage of the population refused to do social distancing and home lock downs for “flu-like symptoms” again?  

If I knew I had had flu-like symptoms that lead to a zombie outcome then there would be nothing for it but to either go out an buy a wardrobe I could get inside of or more simply, head up to the attic and pick out a nice rafter to sit on…

 

[meganoth]

What if the first highly contagious stage was simply flu-like symptoms and by time the news showed footage of a guy eating another guy it was too late because a significant percentage of the population refused to do social distancing and home lock downs for “flu-like symptoms” again?  

If I knew I had had flu-like symptoms that lead to a zombie outcome then there would be nothing for it but to either go out an buy a wardrobe I could get inside of or more simply, head up to the attic and pick out a nice rafter to sit on…

Yes, but you are now moving the goal posts. This is why it is so important to define the circumstances of the zombie plague. Only then can others assess if they agree or disagree.

But to continue: With adding the flu you added a new highly superior ability to the virus. In reality viruses are rather simple, they don't even count as a lifeform if I'm not mistaken. Making people into zombies is already a tall order for a virus, assuming it also can hide as a flu is a miracle on top of a miracle. Adding enough miracle-like-abilities to a virus is nine tenth of the way to make it invincible. Unless you postulate some glaring weakness into it as well the world is simply done for, social fatigue or not.

 

[Fenris]

I see the Covid pandemic as the perfect pre-cursor to a global zombie pandemic having already caused the world to feel "quarantine fatigue".  If a brand new epidemic sprang up today I doubt we would even have toilet paper shortages and an even larger percentage would just say no thank you to "stay in place and shelter" policies. With the population resistant to going back to the policies of 2020 and nobody wanting to do distance learning again for school and all the small businesses who barely made it through to the end of 2021 absolutely refusing to shut down again, I could see a fast spreading virus take much of the world before people resigned themselves to go back to a Covid 2020 lifestyle.

We all know someone who still acts like its 2020... they will be the ones who live the longest-- especially if they also happen to be Preppers as well...haha

Imagine if all you had to do to avoid the zombie virus was to wear a mask ...... yeah America would be screwed Not sure about other countries, I just know over here there was some .... resistance to wearing one. I wonder if the same people who had Covid parties would also have Zombie parties

 

[Matt115]

What if the first highly contagious stage was simply flu-like symptoms and by time the news showed footage of a guy eating another guy it was too late because a significant percentage of the population refused to do social distancing and home lock downs for “flu-like symptoms” again?  

If I knew I had had flu-like symptoms that lead to a zombie outcome then there would be nothing for it but to either go out an buy a wardrobe I could get inside of or more simply, head up to the attic and pick out a nice rafter to sit on…

You remind me guy who was wearing plague doctor in my city suit in 2019 XD But if this would be just flu symptoms.... you coudn't know if this is just flu or virus.

Yes, but you are now moving the goal posts. This is why it is so important to define the circumstances of the zombie plague. Only then can others assess if they agree or disagree.

But to continue: With adding the flu you added a new highly superior ability to the virus. In reality viruses are rather simple, they don't even count as a lifeform if I'm not mistaken. Making people into zombies is already a tall order for a virus, assuming it also can hide as a flu is a miracle on top of a miracle. Adding enough miracle-like-abilities to a virus is nine tenth of the way to make it invincible. Unless you postulate some glaring weakness into it as well the world is simply done for, social fatigue or not.

Well - viruses are simple but it's possible to manipulate their RNA or DNA.  human made zombie virus as weapon? this sound realistic. Now exist fungus zombie ants so maybe mix DNA of this fungus and some type of virus could create zombie virus

 

[Roland]

Yes, but you are now moving the goal posts. This is why it is so important to define the circumstances of the zombie plague. Only then can others assess if they agree or disagree.

But to continue: With adding the flu you added a new highly superior ability to the virus. In reality viruses are rather simple, they don't even count as a lifeform if I'm not mistaken. Making people into zombies is already a tall order for a virus, assuming it also can hide as a flu is a miracle on top of a miracle. Adding enough miracle-like-abilities to a virus is nine tenth of the way to make it invincible. Unless you postulate some glaring weakness into it as well the world is simply done for, social fatigue or not.

Woah, woah...I'm not adding the flu to the zombie virus. I'm saying that the first stage of the zombie virus presents as flu-like symptoms. Lots of illnesses have flu-like symptoms since flu-like symptoms simply means a fever, chills, aches, and nausea or some combinations of those things. That's not a tall order at all. If people who caught the virus spent the first week with a fever and some aches before things progressed to classic zombie/rabid behavior there would be a lot of time lost for quarantining during the critical phase since quite a lot of people would be resistant to locking down and sheltering again. Even in The Walking Dead-- at least during the first season they showed people who got bit as getting a fever first.

 

[meganoth]

Woah, woah...I'm not adding the flu to the zombie virus. I'm saying that the first stage of the zombie virus presents as flu-like symptoms. Lots of illnesses have flu-like symptoms since flu-like symptoms simply means a fever, chills, aches, and nausea or some combinations of those things. That's not a tall order at all. If people who caught the virus spent the first week with a fever and some aches before things progressed to classic zombie/rabid behavior there would be a lot of time lost for quarantining during the critical phase since quite a lot of people would be resistant to locking down and sheltering again. Even in The Walking Dead-- at least during the first season they showed people who got bit as getting a fever first.

Are you only adding the symptoms and a sort of second incubation period? (*). Or transmission over the air as well?

Because your talk about distancing rules seems to suggest the latter. Quite non-traditional compared to most zombie movies. And it makes a huge difference in results.

(*) I am talking about a second incubation period because the first one would be from infection to showing flu symptoms. The second one would until showing "eating people" symptoms. To analyse what would happen at first we can simply ignore the flu symptoms since they would be largely ignored anyway and set the time from infection to biting as incubation. And then it will be undoubtedly a global pandemic but the zombie plague will have problems generating the numbers to overwhelm human population as the humans have a lot of time to adapt before zombies can show up in numbers and multiply.

 

[Roland]

I see what you're saying. If the virus can only be transmitted by fluid exchange via a bite then, yes, I agree that a global zombie pandemic is extremely far-fetched.

 

[theFlu]

But to continue: With adding the flu you added a new highly superior ability to the virus. In reality viruses are rather simple, they don't even count as a lifeform if I'm not mistaken. Making people into zombies is already a tall order for a virus, assuming it also can hide as a flu is a miracle on top of a miracle.

Oi! I think you're selling us a little short here.. rabies is also a viral infection, we just haven't gotten around to do a collab as of yet. If he agrees to chill a bit for a few days after spreading to the brain, I think we could cook up something spectacular.

 

[ElDudorino]

This philosophical discussion ignores the fact that zombie infections are magical in nature in basically all media, other than maybe 28 Days Later.

In The Walking Dead they play it up as a disease but you have zombies melted into the ground with nothing left but half of their head and they're still 'alive.' And decapitation stops everything below the neck but somehow the head still tries to bite you, and it never relies on any fuel from a body. That's necromancy at work. In 7 Days to Die you have crawler zombies whose bodies are almost completely destroyed and drained of blood but you can poke them and make them bleed to death. Plus you have burning zombies you can kill with fire. That's necromancy mixed with drugs.

In short, everything you think you know about how the disease could work will go out the window once our dark lords actually rise up and decide to rid the planet of us.

 

[Matt115]

I see what you're saying. If the virus can only be transmitted by fluid exchange via a bite then, yes, I agree that a global zombie pandemic is extremely far-fetched.

Global zombie pandemic would be impossible but as long term problem ? completly possible. Let's zombie outbeak became in Paris. There is km of km of tunels under Paris. So there is high possiblity that always few zombie would " stuck" somewhere in such tunels.

This philosophical discussion ignores the fact that zombie infections are magical in nature in basically all media, other than maybe 28 Days Later.

In The Walking Dead they play it up as a disease but you have zombies melted into the ground with nothing left but half of their head and they're still 'alive.' And decapitation stops everything below the neck but somehow the head still tries to bite you, and it never relies on any fuel from a body. That's necromancy at work. In 7 Days to Die you have crawler zombies whose bodies are almost completely destroyed and drained of blood but you can poke them and make them bleed to death. Plus you have burning zombies you can kill with fire. That's necromancy mixed with drugs.

In short, everything you think you know about how the disease could work will go out the window once our dark lords actually rise up and decide to rid the planet of us.

Well..... this would be possible for ... fungus. zombie ants can be "heavy" damaged but still able to walk

 

[Kyonshi]

All successfull zombie apocalypses work wonders as a cure to practically all other diseases, maybe with the exception of nail fungus

Oh, and I have to wonder at what time the virus mutated? It sounds like it mutated a while after being used to vaccinate a lot of the population, but then it is inexplainable why a high percentage of the virus **distributed** aka isolated over the human population all mutated the same to result in zombies.

Mutation is by definition a random change in the DNA of the virus, really really random. The required change must be enough base changes away to not occur immediately (in a host every single base change occurs multiple times a day) as the vaccination would be stopped immediately after the first cases of zombieness. But it must still lead to the same result in a sizable percentage of the population.

Just consider Covid as an example, a new mutation family like Omikron always starts from a single place and fights itself to the top by infection. It doesn't happen (to my knowledge) that the same mutation just happens everywhere in the world at the same time. 

Well, im not an epidemiologist nor a virologist so i cant answer those questions with exactitude  I can only rely on the comprehension i have from experts in these fields of knowledge and competence.

What i understand from the behavior of viruses is that they mutated to lengthen their life span. The goal of this organism is to infect the most hosts possible, without killing them. Which is exactly what happened with both the fictive K virus and Covid-19. One of my best friend is a (retired) biochemist and he explained it to me very well. It'll happen very rarely that a virus mutates in a more lethal form that it previously had. It always mostly goes the higher infectivity/lesser lethality route.

Now, when did the mutation occured in I Am Legend? They illustrate more the rapid global transmission that occured. Of course, usually in real life, one strain mutates first and not all of the strains carried by hosts mutate at the same time. But in the movie, they modified the measles virus into a viral vector vaccine, which is basically the original re-engineered virus replicated, see cloned, into multiple vaccines given to the initial 10009 trials. Now since this strain was the same for all of those people, since it has the same genetic background for all 10009 doses, they were all the same and if one would mutate, then the remaining 10008 would do the same. That's the issue with cloning; if you clone a patient zero with a certain defect in their genetic sequence, all other clones will suffer from this exact flaw as well.

So, i can assume those 10009 patients probably turned in various but very close occurences and got very incredibly aggressive and bit, killed and infected a lot of people in an insane amount of time.

Now in the case of the Covid-19 and resulting but foretold mutations, for all we know, this virus wasnt used and replicated in vaccines like in the movie, it just popped out from either nature of a lab and went rogue in the population. At this point, the original strain will infect people but mutations will occur at random, like you said, in relation to a host. Not everyone deals the virus the same way, some immune systems will eliminate it, some other who are weaker will harbor it and give it time to mutate, to expand its life span.

 

[meganoth]

Oi! I think you're selling us a little short here.. rabies is also a viral infection, we just haven't gotten around to do a collab as of yet. If he agrees to chill a bit for a few days after spreading to the brain, I think we could cook up something spectacular.

But we banned Rabies from the forums. All safe now

 

[theFlu]

But we banned Rabies from the forums. All safe now

You may have gotten rid of Rabies, but all we really need is a single shared host... how about this random girl with rabies:

https://community.7daystodie.com/profile/62940-girlwithrabies/

Safe, you say ...

 

[meganoth]

Well, im not an epidemiologist nor a virologist so i cant answer those questions with exactitude  I can only rely on the comprehension i have from experts in these fields of knowledge and competence.

What i understand from the behavior of viruses is that they mutated to lengthen their life span. The goal of this organism is to infect the most hosts possible, without killing them. Which is exactly what happened with both the fictive K virus and Covid-19. One of my best friend is a (retired) biochemist and he explained it to me very well. It'll happen very rarely that a virus mutates in a more lethal form that it previously had. It always mostly goes the higher infectivity/lesser lethality route.

Now, when did the mutation occured in I Am Legend? They illustrate more the rapid global transmission that occured. Of course, usually in real life, one strain mutates first and not all of the strains carried by hosts mutate at the same time. But in the movie, they modified the measles virus into a viral vector vaccine, which is basically the original re-engineered virus replicated, see cloned, into multiple vaccines given to the initial 10009 trials. Now since this strain was the same for all of those people, since it has the same genetic background for all 10009 doses, they were all the same and if one would mutate, then the remaining 10008 would do the same. That's the issue with cloning; if you clone a patient zero with a certain defect in their genetic sequence, all other clones will suffer from this exact flaw as well.

My knowledge is that of a layman as well but we have wikipedia to help. And clearly wikipedia tells us that mutation comes from errors while processing (copying) DNA via RNA. Errors in a chemical process that are not predetermined by the DNA (even though not completely random). So those 10008 virus-populations with exactly the same DNA in each of those humans will immediately start to change in RANDOM ways. Because the chemical process is the culprit, not the DNA.

Your example of a cloned patient works because you clone the defect that is already there at cloning time.

So, i can assume those 10009 patients probably turned in various but very close occurences and got very incredibly aggressive and bit, killed and infected a lot of people in an insane amount of time.

Now in the case of the Covid-19 and resulting but foretold mutations, for all we know, this virus wasnt used and replicated in vaccines like in the movie, it just popped out from either nature of a lab and went rogue in the population. At this point, the original strain will infect people but mutations will occur at random, like you said, in relation to a host. Not everyone deals the virus the same way, some immune systems will eliminate it, some other who are weaker will harbor it and give it time to mutate, to expand its life span.

You may have gotten rid of Rabies, but all we really need is a single shared host... how about this random girl with rabies:

https://community.7daystodie.com/profile/62940-girlwithrabies/

Safe, you say ...

Baah, obviously gIRLwITHraBIES already mutated.