That is correct. Its a chance, which is all moddable. 0,100 i suspect is the chance on roll. That SHOULD able to be changed to 0,0 or 100,100 or even 50,100 as later stages advance. So stage 3 can have 80,100 which is 80 percent chance to advance.
To be clear, I'm with you on forced downtime. I was not advocating for that at all. I was preemptively defending Kage for using an afk tactic when faced with the current system since I recall the posts from the death penalty thread when people said they were opting out of playing while debuffed. Gameplay should be focused on keeping the player engaged. Be it low attention activities such as mining or high tension activities such as horde nights.
You've apparently not yet looked closely at the effects of an infection. Already a stage 1 infection affects you so much that a melee fight becomes problematic. With stage 2 you have practically no more stamina regeneration and with stage 3 you lose so much health and stamina that even on medium difficulty every blow from a zombie could be fatal and you can not run away.
Really?
The percentage add hurts most - the base subtract is negligible, the max health modifier at 3 makes it easy to die if hit - the max stamina modifier is negligible.
At infection stage 1, the only thing you can't do is spam attacks with heavy weapons.
Yes you do. You just have to wait a few seconds between melee hits.
At infection stage 3, you can kite a horde on nightmare mode all night long.
Shouldn't be on a schedule because then it would be the annoying kind of micromanagement none likes - would be better if the player could take them any time he wanted (while being diseased and not already on medication). As for RNG don't think it's very wise to use it here. Heavy armor does have some increased effect resistance.
I have already experienced all stages of an infection live in the game. I don't have to test anything anymore. At stage 3 my character couldn't even swing a stone axe twice in a row.
Even the power attacks of medium-heavy weapons such as the axe or the club are no longer usable indefinitely.
Sure. I just tell the radioactive feral wight to wait until I have enough stamina again. And the radioactive cop next to him will be happy to wait his turn. Anything else ?
And what do you dream of at night?
Since perception is clearly limited in stage 3, your possibilities with firearms are also limited. You can't expect the zombies to hold still while you shoot them or wait until you reload. You could spray and pray but this will not help you all the time.
You already made several overly dramatic claims like having no stamina regeneration at stage 2. You DO need to test many things in-game apparently.
Quite the tragedy. Seriously though, as I said in my previous post, stamina use multiplier is the only impactful way the penalty affects you - don't expect to go mining while infected, it is what is affected most.
They are not assessments. And should I also include the character being at the brink of starvation/dehydration as well? You know you can click the armor off. Won't be much of a problem if you are still Usain Bolt with infection3.
Tested. With. Zero. Perks. Also shows that "cardio" is not even needed in the first place, so guess how having -2 cardio ranks impacts you. Ranged combat is unhinged - unlike melee which is dependent on stamina. Costs you 2 perk ranks, but doesn't debilitate you in any way, which in practice means that if you really want to kill the horde while having the worst game debuff at its last stage at the same time, you will have to kite for a little longer than before.
Can't use power attacks indefinitely? Totally unplayable.
Don't have to tell them to wait, they can't reach you at nightmare speed, and with infection3 your stamina has enough regeneration to compensate. Just sprint every time they seem to reach you and jog the rest of the time. No coffees used.
So? Everything at nightmare speed barely seems to have any speed difference. Radiated, ferals and whatnot. Launch the game, spawn various different zombies and see for yourself and don't judge by watching someone else playing through a stream. (Be sure to level first through the console before you spawn them or they won't run no matter which spawner you choose).
Getting infected is borderline unrealistic with the default chances. How realistic is it to be hungry/thirsty PLUS infected with 150 max hunger/thirst? I mean I only play at 25% loot abundance and easily staying above the hungry/thristy debuff levels. I can't imagine how anyone would get these debuffs on default settings, unless they forget they exist or completely neglects them. And if they do, they shouldn't be able to get away with it consequence-free.
Any fight in a POI with walking zombies is a piece of cake if you are just a bit careful and pull them. Or are you expecting to play on "always run" or go to a POI at night, while infected, and still expect to clear the zombies in it? I never understood how people expect zero consequences and being able to do anything in every situation. That's the point of these debuffs in the first place. To make some situations harder or even impossible. They are not meant to be purely decorative.
I test a lot of things in the game but I always assume the worst case. For example, I test my bases against hordes that are many times stronger than what I would expect in a normal game.
And where do you see the difference to melee?
And without armor, you go into battle with radioactive and feral zombies? Very realistic.
And how did you test it? I bet under ideal conditions.
Not unplayable but hindering enough not to want to get into a situation where you suddenly have to deal with several stronger zombies in melee.
For one thing, it's not fighting, it's running away. There is a difference and on the other hand in the case of Kage it was not about the horde night but about a POI. More precisely the Shotgun Messiah factory.
And where are you spawning them? Of course out in the open and you also have control over which zombies appear and how many. So this test is not comparable to a real situation.
This is not a case where everything should work perfectly in a terrible situation. We are not testing some company product's fail-safes here. On the contrary they shouldn't! You shouldn't be able to kite a horde at max speed settings, much less with infection3, you shouldn't be able to neglect all your stats and get away with it with no consequences, you shouldn't be able to melee zombies in closed spaces whenever you want no matter your debuffs.
In the XML you mean? The multiplier is the perc_add (e.g. 0.2 is 20%) from my understanding.
Why would you go into melee battle with radioactive and feral zombies while having stage 3 infection in the first place? Especially when you can just outrun them. While shooting them. As said earlier, why expect to be able to do anything in any situation without consequences? Adapt.
Infection 3 is hardly ideal conditions. This is what you claimed was debilitating in your first post, so it is what I tested. And as I said earlier, I am having no trouble staying over the hungry debuff threshold with 25% loot, being thirsty is clearly due to neglect. It doesn't make sense to test it in the worst conditions possible, while being hungry/thirsty etc, because if you neglect all that, the character shouldn't be able to kite a horde in the first place.
There's no "have to" if you can just shift and get away. Again you seem to expect to be able to always handle several stronger zombies in melee. Even while infected. I don't think you should expect such a thing.
Again, you can *kite* them - meaning you can shift, pause, backpedal, shoot, repeat - perfectly possible even with nightmare speed. You shouldn't be able to clear a SM factory while infected (or in your "worst case scenario") with running zombies in the first place. Again, debuffs are not meant to be decorative.
It's too much to ask to not fight zombies while infected in a closed space, right? Is it forcing you into some playstyle you don't want? Like the "do-a-simple-thing-to-not-screw-up-playstyle"? God forbid that ever happens.
Let's get something strait right off the bat. I was not using an afk tactic. I was there at my keyboard on stream for like 12 mins talking to chat telling them how bad this system is and how its wasting my time.
I'm not asking to be able to fight under the influence of infection. I simply say that I do not think it is an option and therefore it should not be done.
That's not necessarily said. There is no information about the unit. It can be 20% or 0.2 stamina/s.
I've said from the start that fighting is not an option with an infection. I don't expect that you can fight an infection. You claimed that Kage could have just gone on normally and that the game didn't force him to rest. And that's exactly what I always doubted.
I never wrote anything about a horde. You started here with the horde.
Sure. That's why you said the following after I suggested that you take off your armor and run away while infected:
And then said that "realistic" gameplay conditions must involve closed spaces (while infected), as if you HAVE to keep going into POIs:
So yes, after the above I suggested that you lower your expectations. Because you clearly think you have to do all these things in "realistic" situations (or afk as an alternative, as you say below). As for me being the one saying that "you can fight" in general, I am being very specific about saying what you can do at each infection stage and whether it's melee or ranged, so don't bother generalizing and making me repeat what I already mentioned.
I think it's safe to assume that perc_add means that it adds a percentage.
Hell no. It doesn't mean you have to rest if you can't mine/fight in melee. And gun aiming costs negligible stamina you can spare in infection3. Unless the infection has some kind of paralysis effect in your clients, you can back down from a fight, craft, build, search, loot etc. Coincidentally, everything that doesn't net you any xp. Might this be the reason you want to... rest?
BM horde - zombies - night - day - doesn't matter anymore because of the options. Don't latch on to a word that does not make any difference in this context. What matters are the settings, which I explain in my previous post.
What are you even talking about, what exactly can't you control in a "real" situation? You can't prevent yourself from exploring POIs and getting lost in tight spaces? Please elaborate.
Well yea I was streaming atm. But tbh I think my viewers loved it. I was sitting there doing my Kage Rage thing and they were loling.
Ah good! I'm glad (rage aside) you guys still had fun.
I think it's good if the player has to think for a while about what's wrong with him. Anyone who is attentive in the game knows it, because the effect "llness" occurs quickly.
Permanent illness status