PC don't be the first kid on the block to get Windows 11. wait a year.

Not sure what flavor of Linux you're running, but any issues with streaming sites are entirely browser related, and have very little to do with the OS. I've had zero issues with any streaming site using Chrome or Firefox.

As for running games, Wine works quite well for most that aren't covered well by Steam's Proton service. And you can run non-Steam games through it also. (link)


Don’t get me wrong, Linux is a viable choice provided you are willing to learn a little about it or deal with small random frustrations.

I do not and I know my wife would go nuts if something didn’t work like accessing her work email via a vpn.

Linux is a fine solution, just not the right solution for me.

 
it is said to be a lighter install, smaller patches, faster booting and more current day virus resistant as in better defense vs ransomware.

I would keep an eye on it.

Also it will be free for Windows 10 users as of now that appears to be forever.

But yeah from what I have seen it looks very Apple OS X cartoony.
but realistically... they gotta make money somehow and its the use your personal info trick they are doing it with... nothing is totally free... just depends on what you are willing to let marketing companies have from you.

 
Per messing around with my Pi the Linux browser (whatever it is called) works fine for day to day stuff and it is sort of fast.

Now comes the inconvenient truth.

this is a site about a game, fortunately 7d2d works with Linux. Many, many, many, many other popular games do not.

If you want to game Windows is pretty much required unless you are doing something weird like nvidia shield or google whatever streaming game service or you are only playing very specific games that work with Linux and have little desire for something different.

More inconvenient truth, other streaming sites may not like Linux as much. Stuff like pause & forward button can be missing.

Perfectly fine to say I don’t need that to the above items. I do need that stuff, moving to Linux would be more effort than benefit. I have zero desire to keep a web browsing, light word processing machine next to a windows machine for everything else. To me that is not a benefit, that is a pain in the ass.


This was the truth of two years ago. The present truth is that Valve extended a windows emulator greatly and called it Proton. In the last months I have tried a lot of pure windows games and with the small exception that playing pure video sequences often failed ALL the games without a single exception worked flawlessly out of the box on Ubuntu

Now, I don't expect this to be true for every game out there, surely there must be cases that still don't run or don't run well. I know that my older PC with an old R7 350 from 2015 as GPU has some more problems. And I suspect you will fare better with a widely used distribution, especially ubuntu.

 
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Yeah, I do agree on the “relative ease of use” but I still know people (friends and family) who are just not willing to mess with it. I’ve tried and lost the battle. I was able to get 1 person to switch to an Apple MacBook, which is sort of a “win” and they love it over Windows, but then again they weren’t really doing anything special (no special apps, for work, etc).

the other problem I’ve run into is Windows apps that run poorly on Wine. Usually it’s “I have to have this app” like old school Quicken or something where they’ve been using it for years. :)

ao my experiences have been not so great, other than those that have moved to Apple products, none of them have messed with the “normal Linuxy stuff” like the command line or changing their desktop manager or handling backups, file formats changing (using LibreOffice, etc).  
 

honestly, for the younger kids I know (relatives)  if it’s not on their phones, then it’s for school. And if it’s not for school, it doesn’t exist as a concept. My niece (who can drive) had her Windows laptop break and she asked if I could fix it (sight unseen). I asked her what OS it was as a joke and she looked at me like I just landed and asked to see their leader. And she didn’t really care, as the laptop was for school and not her phone. “I’ll just buy another one” was the answer when I tried to ask any questions.  Another niece was shown a raspberry pi with Minecraft on it (her favorite game at the time) and she almost died of boredom within 3 seconds. Probably because it was bulkier than a phone. Smh;) but that’s my general experience.


It has taken me a long time but I have finally realized don’t mess with what people want when it comes to tech. Even if you think what they are doing stinks or is complicated or wasteful.

”Selling” someone on the benefits of a change that they don’t see as a benefit just leads to misery.

great example is my Father. They have a smart TV (don’t get me started as to why one shouldn’t own a smart TV). The TV has a YouTube app, he has fallen in love with random YouTube videos. Watching him hunt and peck thru the on screen keyboard to search using a standard TV remote is painful to me. I get frustrated watching him do it.

I suggested using their iPad for YouTube, showed him how and to this day he I never have seen him watch YouTube on their iPad. I have never had him email me a YouTube like like we went over on the iPad. I have had him text me a recording of a YouTube video from his phone.

I bought a cromecast to plug into the tv so he could use the iPad keyboard to search. Asking him to change the mode on the TV was more effort than he wanted to deal with, without even opening the chrome cast I returned it. No sense taking this fight on if he wants to use the TV remote to search that’s his choice.

I made another attempt with a roku stick  I was hoping they’d get comfortable with it and it has a talking remove. That has to be easier than using a remote. Same problem changing the TV mode is not something he wants to do, going to a different TV for YouTube is off the table.

Last month I showed him how to send a YouTube video to the roku, again he has zero interest.

I have finally given up. He has what he wants and why mess with it.

Fortunately I have finally become smart enough to make sure I can return something or even not bother setting it up if I get the stink eye.

but realistically... they gotta make money somehow and its the use your personal info trick they are doing it with... nothing is totally free... just depends on what you are willing to let marketing companies have from you.


Agreed and as of today I trust Microsoft with my data more than google, amazon or Apple.

sounds strange to say that.

*apple is getting better so they may be trusted soon*

 
I find it difficult to believe that very many people are going to upgrade to windows 11 if it requires a hardware upgrade on their motherboard.

 
I find it difficult to believe that very many people are going to upgrade to windows 11 if it requires a hardware upgrade on their motherboard.
they wont, but time will force them to buy a new computer with it installed as old computers will be unsupported. :)

 
I find it difficult to believe that very many people are going to upgrade to windows 11 if it requires a hardware upgrade on their motherboard.


To my admittedly amateur understanding most mordern(ish) CPUs have the TPM built into them just needs to be enabled in the bios however, getting average joe to enable that in the bios will be problematic.

I suspect MS will ultimately either:

come up with some funky way to enable it in the bios/ufei during installation 

or

that is a system builder feature that needs to be enabled as in Dell, HP, Lenovo and so on will need to build new machines with it enabled. MS will say that requirement is not enforced for consumer installations *but you won’t get enhanced ransomware protection*

 
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Windows Vista and 8 was a complete disaster for me. W 8.1 fixed a lot of issues. Actually I liked the most Windows 98SE and 7. The fact that 1st Ryzens and Intels 7th gen is not oficially supported (at least yet) completely sucks.

 
Warning: Linux Evangelizing in 3..2..1..

For anyone who is/may/eventually/has to buy a new PC and have Windows on it (like if Windows 11 obsoletes your current system and will not work with it), I would like to suggest that you don’t donate/throw away your old system immediately.  As soon as you’re “done with your old PC” *and it’s trash to you*, try installing Ubuntu (it’s free) on it and give it a chance. I suggest Ubuntu only because it has a “simple/normal” installer and should just work. I’m sure some other Linux users would disagree with me :)

yes, you’re going to feel like ubuntu sucks because it doesn’t look and act exactly like Windows, but just try it out. Browse the web, check your email, install whatever and try to do your “normal stuff”. Just test the waters of not using Windows. Likely you’ll find that there is something you just have to have that’s only Windows compatible, and that’s good because then you can decide if that’s reason enough you need Windows in some future PC purchase.

If nothing else, it might give you reason to keep your old PC and get more life out of it vs throwing it in the trash. 

if you’re not “a computer person” or don’t have the time or care to mess with it, sure don’t give it a try. It’s not for everyone but it may open your eyes to exactly what you need/use that’s Windows only and it might save you some money in the future should it be useful to you.

note: switching away from Windows is not always a walk on the park because “everyone uses Windows”. :)  you will no longer be part of the 98+%? of people (who all use Windows) and are likely going to have issues with something (like finding out steam will install, but not all steam games you bought support Linux) hence only attempting to try it out on a junk PC you’re no longer going to use for *anything*.  In my opinion Windows is more “user friendly” and more “user resilient” for certain things (like finding how to fix PC problems on the internet) so it’s a good choice to keep Windows for someone already using Windows who doesn’t want to mess around with or learn about  computers. Linux is for people who are willing to learn something new for (insert reason).
If you're using Ubuntu, just stick with Windows. If you look at any bloated distro using systemd, you are essentially using Windows. True Linux does not have API's and crap between the userland apps and kernel-space. Systemd is as big as the kernel (bigger?), requires apps be re-written for it, does not allow the kernel to do its thing because apps MUST go through systemd to reach the kernel, and is about as secure as a convertible with the top down parked int he middle of The Bronx in NYC. If you look at what systemd does, it literally fits the definition of malware. No thanks.

I have been using Linux since around 1994 or 1995. I build absolutely everything from source, custom-tailored to my system. I use Gentoo (not for newbies) and can do almost anything in Linux. I have experience with Debian, Redhat, Void, Artix, Slackware, SUSE, PCLinuxOS, and some others I forget right now. Of those I used Debian, Redhat, Slackware, and SUSE pre-systemd. I used the others post-systemd, though I did use Gentoo back when it was called Epoch. I may know something about Linux.

That said, any user wishing to leave Windows and the things which make Windows bad should try an actual Linux distro. The easiest one (easier than Ubuntu and one which uses the desktop which Microsoft has been trying to clone for decades) is PCLinuxOS. You can even run it from a DVD or USB stick to try it before you wipe your system and install it. No systemd. Graphical package manager. Even has automatic updates now, though they let you choose whether or not to update, it just tells you there are updates. It is also a far easier transition in that it doesn't use the Gnome desktop, which looks like an Apple clone, and instead uses KDE/Plasma, which is what Microsoft has been imitating forever.

As for Windows, I have used 3.11, 95, 98SE, XP, and 7. Those are by far the best. 8 and 8.1 look like they need to be on a phone or tablet. 10 is just buggy to this day. Forced updates which bluescreen a PC, no control over hardware driver updates, many, many applications which run solid in 7 like to randomly crash in 10 (Ark, Cyberpunk, etc) even on the same hardware. 10 literally records everything you do and transmits it to Microsoft every so often. This does include keystrokes. In fact, this is straight from Microsoft on their "telemetry" software.

  • Typed text sent every thirty minutes
  • Anything recorded by a microphone
  • Transcripts of what you use Cortana for
  • Index of all known media files on your PC
  • The first 35MB of data after you enable your webcam
  • Other telemetry data not specified above
In addition, Windows 10 logs the following data and you can only access and delete it if you do that stupid Microsoft account, which removes your data from your PC and makes it impossible to get back into should you forget the PIN or PW.

  • Edge browsing history
  • Bing search history
  • Location activity (where you go should your system be mobile)
  • Cortana's notebook
  • Health activity collected by things like Health Vault or Microsoft Band
  • Privacy settings across ALL Microsoft products you use
Do you think 11 will be any better? Gentoo records and sends absolutely nothing. While the bad distros like Ubuntu don't send any telemetry data that I know of, systemd does have plenty of back-doors into it. So while I urge you to avoid distros which want to be The Borg (they use systemd), I do urge you to try it out. Most games DO run on Linux with either actual Linux support or via WINE. I am not using 10 and I will not use 11 either.

 
I've been running Windows 10 for 4 years now, haven't had any problems with it. I've had one problem with the distribution that had things out of order, fix that by doing a manual install in the right order. Had one update with a module that crashed but the system came up and ran okay. Didn't worry about it.

If you don't know anything about operating systems, and don't want to, you shouldn't be messing with Linux.

 
If you don't know anything about operating systems, and don't want to, you shouldn't be messing with Linux.


Installing modern Ubuntu for example is just as automatic as Windows 10, in essence you can click "continue" for a few times and enter your name and password for the user account. thats it. W10 is even a bit more complicated as you have to add 3 questions that can possibly be found out about you to hack your account 😉

Once installed there is a browser, an email program, current drivers and some other stuff already installed in ubuntu that you have to collect and sometimes pay for on the windows and collect from dozens on websites. There is a config menue as detailed and with as much easy and complex settings as in windows. There is an app store where you can simply search for the type of software you want and install it. windows10 is only slowy getting there, at least small widgets are easy to install, everything big (like a good graphics program) needs you to do a lot of stuff (from paying and downloading on websites to answering to answering questions from the OS if xxx is allowed to dabbel with the OS) that may seem trivial to you because you are used to it but isn't to a total novice.

Network works out of the box, even WLAN, which was still a bit complicated 5 years ago.

There is no need to access the command line in typical day-to-day operation by the way. And difficult problems that need you to use the command line exist on windows10 as well. Especially because most of the time windows has only one cryptic error message for dozens of situations and the typical webpage that you find will list about 6 different methods that you simply should try out blindly in the hope that they fix the problem. In my experience as admin in half those cases those methods do not solve the problem. For me personally win7's updating system was a desaster and annoyed and vexed me on multiple machines, and it isn't a surprise that a common method was to reinstall w7 on a regular basis, which isn't true for win10 anymore

Most people are already used to windows and know at least a little of how to do things on it. But for someone without this "headstart", someone totally new to computers I don't see a difference between using Ubuntu and Win10.

 
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Ubuntu is not at all close to Windows 10 in terms of general user friendliness and usability. A lot of distros keep thinking that if they mimic the UI of Windows/Mac then it becomes easier to use but that's never been the issue with Linux getting popular.

Actually using it is a completely different beast than Windows. If you have a problem on Linux as a newbie you are essentially alone, the amount of available support is dwarfed by what you would get looking up any assistance for Windows. Even as someone in IT that can dig through the internals of W10 I still found myself having to post support questions on the Ubuntu forums and subreddits (both posts still going unanwsered several months later)

The amount of oddities and lack of functionality compared to Windows becomes another giant issue. Even if Linux has a driver for my devices it's almost always going to have less functionality and features than it would have had on Windows. Even with all the new video driver support the control panels for them are seriously lacking and the amount of graphical glitches and bugs you can still experience in Linux ported games or with Proton is still much higher than on Windows.

The insanely wide range of distros with a small community across dozens of different forums online stretches everything thin. If I google a simple problem of Steam downloading games at 30kb/s despite having gigabit internet the amount of possible causes is insane.

It could be the propertiary driver, it could be the open source driver, it could be the other open source driver branch, it could be this random configuration file, oh wait that was changed with this new release and fix no longer applies, it could be Steam wasn't made fully compatibile with this specific version, oh it could be Linux is using a different network protocol blah blah blah.

Maybe Linux is a great time if you already have a Linux mindset but it's a terrible time for anyone trying to transition to it and it becomes loony seeing only Linux users try to tell non linux users that it's just as friendly to use as Windows when that couldn't be any further from the truth. Every minute I dedicate to troubleshooting various issues and trying to find out how to set up something how I want it makes it harder to ignore how much easier and faster I could do it on Windows 10. I started the install at 6pm and it's 9pm and I still can't get it to download games or connect to a windows file server with reasonable speeds or play this format or let me print my documents correctly etc.

Or I could have installed and configured Windows 10 in an hour and been playing games by now.

 
Ubuntu is not at all close to Windows 10 in terms of general user friendliness and usability. A lot of distros keep thinking that if they mimic the UI of Windows/Mac then it becomes easier to use but that's never been the issue with Linux getting popular.

Actually using it is a completely different beast than Windows. If you have a problem on Linux as a newbie you are essentially alone, the amount of available support is dwarfed by what you would get looking up any assistance for Windows. Even as someone in IT that can dig through the internals of W10 I still found myself having to post support questions on the Ubuntu forums and subreddits (both posts still going unanwsered several months later)

The amount of oddities and lack of functionality compared to Windows becomes another giant issue. Even if Linux has a driver for my devices it's almost always going to have less functionality and features than it would have had on Windows. Even with all the new video driver support the control panels for them are seriously lacking and the amount of graphical glitches and bugs you can still experience in Linux ported games or with Proton is still much higher than on Windows.

The insanely wide range of distros with a small community across dozens of different forums online stretches everything thin. If I google a simple problem of Steam downloading games at 30kb/s despite having gigabit internet the amount of possible causes is insane.

It could be the propertiary driver, it could be the open source driver, it could be the other open source driver branch, it could be this random configuration file, oh wait that was changed with this new release and fix no longer applies, it could be Steam wasn't made fully compatibile with this specific version, oh it could be Linux is using a different network protocol blah blah blah.

Maybe Linux is a great time if you already have a Linux mindset but it's a terrible time for anyone trying to transition to it and it becomes loony seeing only Linux users try to tell non linux users that it's just as friendly to use as Windows when that couldn't be any further from the truth. Every minute I dedicate to troubleshooting various issues and trying to find out how to set up something how I want it makes it harder to ignore how much easier and faster I could do it on Windows 10. I started the install at 6pm and it's 9pm and I still can't get it to download games or connect to a windows file server with reasonable speeds or play this format or let me print my documents correctly etc.

Or I could have installed and configured Windows 10 in an hour and been playing games by now.
Ubuntu support is also generally bad and generic, requiring users to do things they don't need to do to fix the issue. Ubuntu is the flank of the Linux world in many ways. Gentoo has excellent support, but it ain't for newbs of any kind. Arch has great support too, but again, not for newbs. PCLinuxOS has good support on their forum and the OS generally works anyway. The main reasons, beyond systemd, that I recommend it.

 
Installing modern Ubuntu for example is just as automatic as Windows 10, in essence you can click "continue" for a few times and enter your name and password for the user account. thats it. W10 is even a bit more complicated as you have to add 3 questions that can possibly be found out about you to hack your account 😉

Once installed there is a browser, an email program, current drivers and some other stuff already installed in ubuntu that you have to collect and sometimes pay for on the windows and collect from dozens on websites. There is a config menue as detailed and with as much easy and complex settings as in windows. There is an app store where you can simply search for the type of software you want and install it. windows10 is only slowy getting there, at least small widgets are easy to install, everything big (like a good graphics program) needs you to do a lot of stuff (from paying and downloading on websites to answering to answering questions from the OS if xxx is allowed to dabbel with the OS) that may seem trivial to you because you are used to it but isn't to a total novice.

Network works out of the box, even WLAN, which was still a bit complicated 5 years ago.

There is no need to access the command line in typical day-to-day operation by the way. And difficult problems that need you to use the command line exist on windows10 as well. Especially because most of the time windows has only one cryptic error message for dozens of situations and the typical webpage that you find will list about 6 different methods that you simply should try out blindly in the hope that they fix the problem. In my experience as admin in half those cases those methods do not solve the problem. For me personally win7's updating system was a desaster and annoyed and vexed me on multiple machines, and it isn't a surprise that a common method was to reinstall w7 on a regular basis, which isn't true for win10 anymore

Most people are already used to windows and know at least a little of how to do things on it. But for someone without this "headstart", someone totally new to computers I don't see a difference between using Ubuntu and Win10.
Installing is easy. What do you do when you install a program that walks all over another program you want to run and it quits working? It's not that hard to deal with but you've got to understand how programs and operating systems and scripts work.

 
Installing is easy. What do you do when you install a program that walks all over another program you want to run and it quits working? It's not that hard to deal with but you've got to understand how programs and operating systems and scripts work.


What do you do when windows doesn't update anymore? What do you do when an install fails completely and the OS tells you just that there was error #172583 (if you are lucky. I had problems where I didn't even get an error number).

Hey, if you never had a problem with windows, good for you. It doesn't happen to everyone and then it gets as complicated as with linux.

I never had the problem you are talking about with Linux, by the way. Which two programs were walking over each other ?

 
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What do you do when windows doesn't update anymore? What do you do when an install fails completely and the OS tells you just that there was error #172583 (if you are lucky. I had problems where I didn't even get an error number).

Hey, if you never had a problem with windows, good for you. It doesn't happen to everyone and then it gets as complicated as with linux.

I never had the problem you are talking about with Linux, by the way. Which two programs were walking over each other ?
These conversations tend to end up in flame wars which I'm not going to let happen so this is the last time I'm going to comment on this.

I've managed Linux systems for 20 years. It's only a matter of time until you install something and things are going to quit working on you. Then you need to know how scripts work and how to use an editor and a bunch of other things that normal people who don't know anything about operating systems or programming or script writing don't know just to understand what the hell is going on much less how to fix it.

This is just fine if that's what you want to do. But don't switch to unix thinking it's better than windows and you're going to have a better experience using it.

 
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