PC don't be the first kid on the block to get Windows 11. wait a year.

You don't know what the problems are going to be. Microsoft doesn't know what the problems are going to be. It's a classic case of the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns. It could very well be a horrible gaming platform.

Nobody is going to support it until it comes out. You're going to have to wait for any application or game to get fixed. 

If you plan on buying a new system keep it at windows 10.
actually i bet $100 microsoft knows exactly what the problems will be i mean i hope so they designed it

Not me.  I always skip the next generation unless I am forced to buy it.
yep i bet $100 itll be bad

 
Now it's being reported that after 2023, Win 11 will REQUIRE a front facing camera, except on desktop PCs.

WTF?

What possible technical reason would require that?

I'm gonna have to make a thicker tinfoil hat it seems.

 
Now it's being reported that after 2023, Win 11 will REQUIRE a front facing camera, except on desktop PCs.

WTF?

What possible technical reason would require that?

I'm gonna have to make a thicker tinfoil hat it seems.
Not technical, but to support virtual meetings.  If you dwell deeper into the webcam requirements, you can see it is all about higer quality video cameras for the new normal.

 
Why are we focused on something that isn't even a problem yet?

The very act of worrying about it, creates a problem when there isn't one already there.

Chew on that.


Because I *know* the kind of crap they do. Going back 30 years.

(used to work for a software company, and I know first hand what kind of shenanigans they can, and will pull)

As for the the cam for meetings,  ok, then have it a requirement for THAT program, not the bloody OS.

oh well, I'll be retiring when win10 is EOL, so we'll see just what is going on then. Until then, nope, aint gonna touch 11.

Of course, I said I wouldn't touch 10, but did only to see if that would fix the FO76 graphic stuttering that got introduced in one patch on Win7.

Did the upgrade (free couple weeks ago, and yes, you can still do it), and lo and behold, the stuttering went away.  GG Bethesda.

pox upon them all.   /shrug

😛

 
actually i bet $100 microsoft knows exactly what the problems will be i mean i hope so they designed it

yep i bet $100 itll be bad
That's an interesting point. I'm sure the grunts that built the system know what the problems are and they've told management too. Upper management in big corporations make decisions not based in logic and reason, they make decisions base on Ego. When they're told that this and that is a problem, they choose  not to believe the engineers because it's not what they want to hear. Even when they've been told that something's wrong, months or even longer ago, they will be totally surprised and astonished when it finally surfaces in customer complaints. In their minds when they decide something does not exist, it doesn't.

 
Warning: Linux Evangelizing in 3..2..1..

For anyone who is/may/eventually/has to buy a new PC and have Windows on it (like if Windows 11 obsoletes your current system and will not work with it), I would like to suggest that you don’t donate/throw away your old system immediately.  As soon as you’re “done with your old PC” *and it’s trash to you*, try installing Ubuntu (it’s free) on it and give it a chance. I suggest Ubuntu only because it has a “simple/normal” installer and should just work. I’m sure some other Linux users would disagree with me :)

yes, you’re going to feel like ubuntu sucks because it doesn’t look and act exactly like Windows, but just try it out. Browse the web, check your email, install whatever and try to do your “normal stuff”. Just test the waters of not using Windows. Likely you’ll find that there is something you just have to have that’s only Windows compatible, and that’s good because then you can decide if that’s reason enough you need Windows in some future PC purchase.

If nothing else, it might give you reason to keep your old PC and get more life out of it vs throwing it in the trash. 

if you’re not “a computer person” or don’t have the time or care to mess with it, sure don’t give it a try. It’s not for everyone but it may open your eyes to exactly what you need/use that’s Windows only and it might save you some money in the future should it be useful to you.

note: switching away from Windows is not always a walk on the park because “everyone uses Windows”. :)  you will no longer be part of the 98+%? of people (who all use Windows) and are likely going to have issues with something (like finding out steam will install, but not all steam games you bought support Linux) hence only attempting to try it out on a junk PC you’re no longer going to use for *anything*.  In my opinion Windows is more “user friendly” and more “user resilient” for certain things (like finding how to fix PC problems on the internet) so it’s a good choice to keep Windows for someone already using Windows who doesn’t want to mess around with or learn about  computers. Linux is for people who are willing to learn something new for (insert reason).

 
The only reason I moved to W10 was for DX12 support, and the fact it was a free upgrade for W7. I have no desire to move to W11 and deal with more design changes just for the sake of having design changes. 
it is said to be a lighter install, smaller patches, faster booting and more current day virus resistant as in better defense vs ransomware.

I would keep an eye on it.

Also it will be free for Windows 10 users as of now that appears to be forever.

But yeah from what I have seen it looks very Apple OS X cartoony.

 
it is said to be a lighter install, smaller patches, faster booting and more current day virus resistant as in better defense vs ransomware.

I would keep an eye on it.

Also it will be free for Windows 10 users as of now that appears to be forever.

But yeah from what I have seen it looks very Apple OS X cartoony.
Do people get viruses anymore? I can buy hardware to get TPM now on W10 if that's my concern. Lighter install, faster boot times... pretty inconsequential, assuming it's even true. The install might be low but then install a ton of bloatware.

What I really care about is the user interface, and if I need to dig through three different control panels to finally find the one they designed for XP that actually has the controls I need to change. All the small tweaks to make the UI look "better" but perform objectively worse for power users.

 
Now it's being reported that after 2023, Win 11 will REQUIRE a front facing camera, except on desktop PCs.


Hey man, don't post "it's being reported" without providing a link to a reputable source. That's some Facebook FUD behavior, "many people are saying" etc. Your wording neatly flips the reporting around to make it as FUDdy as possible. Un-flipped:

Starting in 2023 Windows 11 will require laptops to have a front-facing camera

It's difficult to find a laptop today without a camera in it, never mind after 2023. If privacy is a concern (you'll get no argument from me about that), they're easy to cover up. Change is inevitable, and there will be a few mountains to climb along the way. No need to build up the molehills.

Do people get viruses anymore?


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Starting in 2023 Windows 11 will require laptops to have a front-facing camera
And it seems none of that actually answers the "how" of it, while the last sentence implies something:

"Of course, this requirement only applies to new laptops being sold by OEMs in 2023, not your existing one."

With a slightly positive reading, all that means is that OEMs can't pre-install a Windows on a laptop they're advertising to you. Nothing is implying Win11 won't install/work on a camera-free laptop, just that OEMs can't sell such.

I don't trust MS, not a bit, but I'm equally annoyed about reading too much into every snippet on the web. It should be obvious to anyone who's opened a web browser that EVERY title is pure clickbait and the articles themselves are rarely any better.

 
Warning: Linux Evangelizing in 3..2..1..

For anyone who is/may/eventually/has to buy a new PC and have Windows on it (like if Windows 11 obsoletes your current system and will not work with it), I would like to suggest that you don’t donate/throw away your old system immediately.  As soon as you’re “done with your old PC” *and it’s trash to you*, try installing Ubuntu (it’s free) on it and give it a chance. I suggest Ubuntu only because it has a “simple/normal” installer and should just work. I’m sure some other Linux users would disagree with me :)

yes, you’re going to feel like ubuntu sucks because it doesn’t look and act exactly like Windows, but just try it out. Browse the web, check your email, install whatever and try to do your “normal stuff”. Just test the waters of not using Windows. Likely you’ll find that there is something you just have to have that’s only Windows compatible, and that’s good because then you can decide if that’s reason enough you need Windows in some future PC purchase.

If nothing else, it might give you reason to keep your old PC and get more life out of it vs throwing it in the trash. 

if you’re not “a computer person” or don’t have the time or care to mess with it, sure don’t give it a try. It’s not for everyone but it may open your eyes to exactly what you need/use that’s Windows only and it might save you some money in the future should it be useful to you.

note: switching away from Windows is not always a walk on the park because “everyone uses Windows”. :)  you will no longer be part of the 98+%? of people (who all use Windows) and are likely going to have issues with something (like finding out steam will install, but not all steam games you bought support Linux) hence only attempting to try it out on a junk PC you’re no longer going to use for *anything*.  In my opinion Windows is more “user friendly” and more “user resilient” for certain things (like finding how to fix PC problems on the internet) so it’s a good choice to keep Windows for someone already using Windows who doesn’t want to mess around with or learn about  computers. Linux is for people who are willing to learn something new for (insert reason).
I found this recently, and it was interesting to read... (though the lack of proper punctuation kills me)

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And thinking on it, this part in particular.

"Can you read at a high school level? You will have no issue working and learning Linux."

Most of the issues you might run to are merely a quick Google search away. If you can read and follow basic instructions, it doesn't require an engineering degree to run. 

 
Warning: Linux Evangelizing in 3..2..1..

For anyone who is/may/eventually/has to buy a new PC and have Windows on it (like if Windows 11 obsoletes your current system and will not work with it), I would like to suggest that you don’t donate/throw away your old system immediately.  As soon as you’re “done with your old PC” *and it’s trash to you*, try installing Ubuntu (it’s free) on it and give it a chance. I suggest Ubuntu only because it has a “simple/normal” installer and should just work. I’m sure some other Linux users would disagree with me :)

yes, you’re going to feel like ubuntu sucks because it doesn’t look and act exactly like Windows, but just try it out. Browse the web, check your email, install whatever and try to do your “normal stuff”. Just test the waters of not using Windows. Likely you’ll find that there is something you just have to have that’s only Windows compatible, and that’s good because then you can decide if that’s reason enough you need Windows in some future PC purchase.

If nothing else, it might give you reason to keep your old PC and get more life out of it vs throwing it in the trash. 

if you’re not “a computer person” or don’t have the time or care to mess with it, sure don’t give it a try. It’s not for everyone but it may open your eyes to exactly what you need/use that’s Windows only and it might save you some money in the future should it be useful to you.

note: switching away from Windows is not always a walk on the park because “everyone uses Windows”. :)  you will no longer be part of the 98+%? of people (who all use Windows) and are likely going to have issues with something (like finding out steam will install, but not all steam games you bought support Linux) hence only attempting to try it out on a junk PC you’re no longer going to use for *anything*.  In my opinion Windows is more “user friendly” and more “user resilient” for certain things (like finding how to fix PC problems on the internet) so it’s a good choice to keep Windows for someone already using Windows who doesn’t want to mess around with or learn about  computers. Linux is for people who are willing to learn something new for (insert reason).


Nothing against Ubuntu, but I have long preferred Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop.  It's clean and fast, based on Ubuntu, and runs everything I've thrown at it.

For those not doing much in the way of gaming but want a VERY stable OS, Debian is a good choice.  Ubuntu and many other Linux based operating systems use Debian as a starting point.

 
Per messing around with my Pi the Linux browser (whatever it is called) works fine for day to day stuff and it is sort of fast.

Now comes the inconvenient truth.

this is a site about a game, fortunately 7d2d works with Linux. Many, many, many, many other popular games do not.

If you want to game Windows is pretty much required unless you are doing something weird like nvidia shield or google whatever streaming game service or you are only playing very specific games that work with Linux and have little desire for something different.

More inconvenient truth, other streaming sites may not like Linux as much. Stuff like pause & forward button can be missing.

Perfectly fine to say I don’t need that to the above items. I do need that stuff, moving to Linux would be more effort than benefit. I have zero desire to keep a web browsing, light word processing machine next to a windows machine for everything else. To me that is not a benefit, that is a pain in the ass.

 
Per messing around with my Pi the Linux browser (whatever it is called) works fine for day to day stuff and it is sort of fast.

Now comes the inconvenient truth.

this is a site about a game, fortunately 7d2d works with Linux. Many, many, many, many other popular games do not.

If you want to game Windows is pretty much required unless you are doing something weird like nvidia shield or google whatever streaming game service or you are only playing very specific games that work with Linux and have little desire for something different.

More inconvenient truth, other streaming sites may not like Linux as much. Stuff like pause & forward button can be missing.

Perfectly fine to say I don’t need that to the above items. I do need that stuff, moving to Linux would be more effort than benefit. I have zero desire to keep a web browsing, light word processing machine next to a windows machine for everything else. To me that is not a benefit, that is a pain in the ass.
Not sure what flavor of Linux you're running, but any issues with streaming sites are entirely browser related, and have very little to do with the OS. I've had zero issues with any streaming site using Chrome or Firefox.

As for running games, Wine works quite well for most that aren't covered well by Steam's Proton service. And you can run non-Steam games through it also. (link)

 
I found this recently, and it was interesting to read... (though the lack of proper punctuation kills me)

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And thinking on it, this part in particular.

"Can you read at a high school level? You will have no issue working and learning Linux."

Most of the issues you might run to are merely a quick Google search away. If you can read and follow basic instructions, it doesn't require an engineering degree to run. 
Yeah, I do agree on the “relative ease of use” but I still know people (friends and family) who are just not willing to mess with it. I’ve tried and lost the battle. I was able to get 1 person to switch to an Apple MacBook, which is sort of a “win” and they love it over Windows, but then again they weren’t really doing anything special (no special apps, for work, etc).edit: and they spent a bizillion dollars for it(ha) but I got to have their old laptop as they no longer wanted it.  So it sorta kept some old hardware out of a landfill. 

the other problem I’ve run into is Windows apps that run poorly on Wine. Usually it’s “I have to have this app” like old school Quicken or something where they’ve been using it for years. :)

ao my experiences have been not so great, other than those that have moved to Apple products, none of them have messed with the “normal Linuxy stuff” like the command line or changing their desktop manager or handling backups, file formats changing (using LibreOffice, etc).  
 

honestly, for the younger kids I know (relatives)  if it’s not on their phones, then it’s for school. And if it’s not for school, it doesn’t exist as a concept. My niece (who can drive) had her Windows laptop break and she asked if I could fix it (sight unseen). I asked her what OS it was as a joke and she looked at me like I just landed and asked to see their leader. And she didn’t really care, as the laptop was for school and not her phone. “I’ll just buy another one” was the answer when I tried to ask any questions.  Another niece was shown a raspberry pi with Minecraft on it (her favorite game at the time) and she almost died of boredom within 3 seconds. Probably because it was bulkier than a phone. Smh;) but that’s my general experience.

 
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