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Roland is one of my favourite ass-hats. And I have plenty of those to choose from :)

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Dude. He is joking. You are on a forum for a game about zombies. Maybe lighten up a bit?
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What happened to your avatar man? I liked it!

 
You guys oversee that mining tools ARE weapons right now with the best example beeing the axe. And i think its good like that just hard to balance. On the last patch you could mine with powers and also spam them in combat with no perks at all witch was both extremely powerful. Now it uses so much stamina that its completely useless for mining (what is fine if intended) and you really have to think about when you want to use a heavy in combat. Sledge even costs you felt about 3/4 of your stamina without perks.
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With just Sexosaurus 4 you would be able to swing a tool like for mining all day long.

If it cost any less stamina would not exist in the game any more.

 
Isn't it a consolation that rocks are ... rock solid? No weasly tactic helps, their AI is 100% unexploitable. Rocks ignore funnels, spiked stairways, they even ignore the player! Rock does not crawl up to you, you have to crawl up to the rock.
Now wait for my ode to hay...
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Lol, I like the way you talk!

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and I thought you would make A17 harder than A16, big mistake.
It's pretty disapointing be back to day 1 forge
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Yeah I haven't played the new release yet, but that's my thought as well. Makes the game easier I think.

 
"Lowered volume on auger/chainsaw prefab"prefab? typo?
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Prefab is a term in the Unity engine for content that goes into the game. Someone can probably explain better but it's late.

 
With just Sexosaurus 4 you would be able to swing a tool like for mining all day long.If it cost any less stamina would not exist in the game any more.
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And THAT would probably make more than half of this audience cheer.

You guys have to set a limit on how much you're going to sacrifice to the voices. They are never going to be happy, and will gladly take inch by inch. I know its a tough thing, but you removed player level gating and STILL there are rumblings. At a certain point you just gotta tell people to suck it up and move on. You guys have given SO much to them already.

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Was the change from 5 perk points to 4 in the starter quest intentional? I assume it was as it made it out of QA but figured I'd ask and confirm.
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No player level gating, so assume so. I mean there HAS to be a trade off otherwise they may as well just yank ANY kind of challenge out of the new perk system. If thats even possible at this point.

 
A17 .. B231 .. Note from update page .. ( •Trader Rekt is nicer than usual ) .. THAT is a good thing, not a bug. :02.47-tranquillity:
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I'd say it was a pleasure reading your post... BUT IT WOULD BE A LIE! >:]

 
And THAT would probably make more than half of this audience cheer.
You guys have to set a limit on how much you're going to sacrifice to the voices. They are never going to be happy, and will gladly take inch by inch. I know its a tough thing, but you removed player level gating and STILL there are rumblings. At a certain point you just gotta tell people to suck it up and move on. You guys have given SO much to them already.

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No player level gating, so assume so. I mean there HAS to be a trade off otherwise they may as well just yank ANY kind of challenge out of the new perk system. If thats even possible at this point.
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Hi Jax, don't you think that the removal of the level gating has shifted the standard difficulty of the game very much towards unmodded A16.4? Honestly wondering.

 
and I thought you would make A17 harder than A16, big mistake.
It's pretty disapointing be back to day 1 forge
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But at what opportunity cost? I have other things to advance that are more important to me than a Day 1 forge. Just because you can spend all your initial points for Day 1 forge doesn't mean that's the only way to play it.

 
Hi Jax, don't you think that the removal of the level gating has shifted the standard difficulty of the game very much towards unmodded A16.4? Honestly wondering.
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Yes I absolutely do. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? If you ask JUST me I think its a shift in the wrong direction. Compare the first Exp release of this Alpha to this one. A VERy different beast altogether. Did adjustments need to be made? Sure they did, but removing it completely isn't the answer. I think there's a way to keep portions of player gating in without it feeling so punishing, but it seems the go to answer here is always tell people to accept it or yank it out. Never an in-between.

And while I like being able to choose our own destiny when we want it I also thought we were going to see some sort of return to reward by DOING along with gating removed. THAT would have been much better. But removing the gating while keeping in the 100 percent get better by spending points system feels unrewarding to me.

TLDR to your question: A17 at this stage right now is MUCH easier than 16.4 unmodded.

 
And THAT would probably make more than half of this audience cheer.
You guys have to set a limit on how much you're going to sacrifice to the voices. They are never going to be happy, and will gladly take inch by inch. I know its a tough thing, but you removed player level gating and STILL there are rumblings. At a certain point you just gotta tell people to suck it up and move on. You guys have given SO much to them already.
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Well, the last week or so all weapons / tools / block damage / stamina got completely rebalanced and stats are no longer all over the place.

The "Sexosaurus 4" is an arbitrary point that I aimed at as a "mining target".

You could get by with 2 or 3 and some buffs if harvesting is all you're after.

Now if you spec into melee, Sexosaurus 5 is still beneficial because you will also be using stamina for armor and movement and the perk also affects power attacks.

This is just a small part of the considerations that go into balancing. ;)

 
Yes I absolutely do. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? If you ask JUST me I think its a shift in the wrong direction. Compare the first Exp release of this Alpha to this one. A VERy different beast altogether. Did adjustments need to be made? Sure they did, but removing it completely isn't the answer. I think there's a way to keep portions of player gating in without it feeling so punishing, but it seems the go to answer here is always tell people to accept it or yank it out. Never an in-between.
And while I like being able to choose our own destiny when we want it I also thought we were going to see some sort of return to reward by DOING along with gating removed. THAT would have been much better. But removing the gating while keeping in the 100 percent get better by spending points system feels unrewarding to me.

TLDR to your question: A17 at this stage right now is MUCH easier than 16.4 unmodded.
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They yanked the attribute gating. As far as perks they may still decide to level gate certain perks and now they can fine tune surgically do that but still allow specializing and more freedom of moving up one attribute tree vs spreading points evenly around. That freedom is worth it in my opinion especially since we have folks like you who can ramp up the difficulty.

I disagree that A17 is unilaterally less difficult than A16. I think that early game is still more difficult and A16 because of the better pathing and the denser POI's as well as the closer attention to food and water there still is. Now the proliferation of mods, perks, and attribute buffs definitely make the mid and late game much easier than A16 as well as the ease of gaming the AI.

So it is a mixture but I really believe that the freedom granted by the point economy instead of the rigid level gates is worth the trade off and once they get our feedback and do some adjustments to certain perks it should be the best of both versions.

 
Thanks for the update ;) Time to start a new world and test the new progression system. My goal will be to maximize the perk "stop dying like an idiot in new POIs". I guess a few points allocated for the "intelligence" skill will not be superfluous.

Edit . New grass texture or did'nt I notice it in the previous version ^^ ?

 
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Lol, I like the way you talk!
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Yeah I haven't played the new release yet, but that's my thought as well. Makes the game easier I think.
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They yanked the attribute gating. As far as perks they may still decide to level gate certain perks and now they can fine tune surgically do that but still allow specializing and more freedom of moving up one attribute tree vs spreading points evenly around. That freedom is worth it in my opinion especially since we have folks like you who can ramp up the difficulty.
I disagree that A17 is unilaterally less difficult than A16. I think that early game is still more difficult and A16 because of the better pathing and the denser POI's as well as the closer attention to food and water there still is. Now the proliferation of mods, perks, and attribute buffs definitely make the mid and late game much easier than A16 as well as the ease of gaming the AI.

So it is a mixture but I really believe that the freedom granted by the point economy instead of the rigid level gates is worth the trade off and once they get our feedback and do some adjustments to certain perks it should be the best of both versions.
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I think it is less an Issue to have the Forge at Day 1. I think the bigger issue is that you have access to Iron Tools/Weapons with Quality 3 (which can have up to 2 mod slots and have higer Durability then the Quality 1 Tools) due to buying Int Stat. If you would shift the Quality of the Crafted Goods to another or new perk it would give it a bit more meaning since you have to spend points into it aswell. But that is just my opinion.

 
But at what opportunity cost? I have other things to advance that are more important to me than a Day 1 forge. Just because you can spend all your initial points for Day 1 forge doesn't mean that's the only way to play it.
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It may not be the only way to play but obviously the most effective way to progress since a forge gives you all your tools and proper weapons. What perks would match that value that early in the game? It is always worth rushing the forge first and getting a full set of equipment and then getting the other stuff you want afterwards since iron gear lets you progress way faster. And pls dont tell me i dont have to play it like that if i dont like it, thats not a valid argument at all.

 
wow the stamina drain is real now, and so is water, first day I don't think I have enough stamina to take a POI, so I'm stuck camping out in the woods at night next to a lake, drinking dirty water and eating charred meat!

 
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