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I agree, the system did not reflect the freedom to create your favorite character class very well and I didn't like the lack of early game specialization. That said we've already changed it and are testing it for a release. Now to balance this attribute points scale in cost, something like 1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6. Don't quote me there, but you can max out one attribute roughly in your mid 30's but at the expense of having zero perks.
Here are is my portion of the release notes on it:

Changed: Attributes are no longer gated by your level. You can specialize very early game now but attributes cost more for the higher ranks. The goal is to allow players to specialize into classes early game, and be awesome at a few things and ok or poor at other things. Or you can be a jack of all trades, the choice is yours. With the costs of the higher attributes being steeper, players will probably want to specialize in one or two attributes and get the best perks in those attributes and late game there will be less god tier characters who have every perk unlocked. We are looking for feedback such as are there any exploits or severe imbalances with this new system.
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Yes! We can Trust in TFP again!

 
I agree, the system did not reflect the freedom to create your favorite character class very well and I didn't like the lack of early game specialization. That said we've already changed it and are testing it for a release. Now to balance this attribute points scale in cost, something like 1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6. Don't quote me there, but you can max out one attribute roughly in your mid 30's but at the expense of having zero perks.
Here are is my portion of the release notes on it:

Changed: Attributes are no longer gated by your level. You can specialize very early game now but attributes cost more for the higher ranks. The goal is to allow players to specialize into classes early game, and be awesome at a few things and ok or poor at other things. Or you can be a jack of all trades, the choice is yours. With the costs of the higher attributes being steeper, players will probably want to specialize in one or two attributes and get the best perks in those attributes and late game there will be less god tier characters who have every perk unlocked. We are looking for feedback such as are there any exploits or severe imbalances with this new system.
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So if I want to go the slow and steady I will be able to allocate perk points like I do today and get most things but at a later stage still, is that correct?

 
Currently playing with all the different settings. I've always wanted a way to tweak walk/run for day/night. We've been playing stock for so long, changing any of this would change the entire mood of the game.
Our current settings:

- Walk at night

- Sprint during day (run/jog seems to make very little difference to walk.)

- Nightmare for blood moon (cant comment on this feature, we haven't had our first blood moon yet.)

- 200% loot

Before you burn it to the ground, try it out first. Zombie sprint during the day is insane fun. I've had more oh $hit moments in the first 10 minutes of play than with the previous build blood moon on stock settings.

I've already died many times. But if you're smart about what you do, its possible to stay alive for awhile. Its alot of barbed wire on your tool belt and stealth kills in tall grass like ninja. You can't really fight more than 1 effectively without a gun. You can see them all coming, which helps a lot. You start picking your fights more carefully. It isn't realistic to do missions or loot houses during the day. You get murdered outright. Daytime has turned into basebuilding for us.

200% loot helps with finding bullets. The boost in loot helps with day runners, but it barely helps, so not too overpowered.

Night has turned into missions/house looting. We use torches and go room to room. Its scary fun, even with just the regular zombie strut. You could probably bumb up night from zed walk to jog for extra scare.

If I had my own server, I would implement these settings and get rid of flashlights/mining helmet entirely from the game, or make them extremely rare. Maybe even put some kind of timer on torches so they burn out. You'll have to clear a house quick before your escape route goes dark.
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There is a mod available which makes torches the way you described. It could be one of Guppycure's

 
I agree, the system did not reflect the freedom to create your favorite character class very well and I didn't like the lack of early game specialization. That said we've already changed it and are testing it for a release. Now to balance this attribute points scale in cost, something like 1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6. Don't quote me there, but you can max out one attribute roughly in your mid 30's but at the expense of having zero perks.
Here are is my portion of the release notes on it:

Changed: Attributes are no longer gated by your level. You can specialize very early game now but attributes cost more for the higher ranks. The goal is to allow players to specialize into classes early game, and be awesome at a few things and ok or poor at other things. Or you can be a jack of all trades, the choice is yours. With the costs of the higher attributes being steeper, players will probably want to specialize in one or two attributes and get the best perks in those attributes and late game there will be less god tier characters who have every perk unlocked. We are looking for feedback such as are there any exploits or severe imbalances with this new system.
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Still no spamcrafting or having to do something you don't enjoy to get better at it, right? I'm on board

 
So now when you fight zombies or just walk reversed you're always slow? is it a feature or bug because i checked the threads about the changelogs but no info about that

 
why u wanna be good at it if u dont "enjoy"? spam crafting is dull but removing all do it urself progress too

 
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So now when you fight zombies or just walk reversed you're always slow? is it a feature or bug because i checked the threads about the changelogs but no info about that
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No running backwards. Correct.

 
There is a mod available which makes torches the way you described. It could be one of Guppycure's
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Want! Having torch timers with this play style would be epic. Having zeds drop from attics and falling though floors during the day is pretty spooky. Running the dungeon POIs at night with a 5 min torch is a whole new level of spooky. Ban the mining helm and gun flashlights! Or put 5 min batteries on them too!

 
why u wanna be good at it if u dont "enjoy"? spam crafting is dull but removing all do it urself progress too
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Sometimes its necessary.

Just an example:

I often play with 1 friend, I don't enjoy mining but he does.. but sometimes we just need more resources so I help -- it would be nice if when I helped I wasn't a total gimp by having some points in that help mining.

 
I agree, the system did not reflect the freedom to create your favorite character class very well and I didn't like the lack of early game specialization. That said we've already changed it and are testing it for a release. Now to balance this attribute points scale in cost, something like 1,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5,6. Don't quote me there, but you can max out one attribute roughly in your mid 30's but at the expense of having zero perks.
Here are is my portion of the release notes on it:

Changed: Attributes are no longer gated by your level. You can specialize very early game now but attributes cost more for the higher ranks. The goal is to allow players to specialize into classes early game, and be awesome at a few things and ok or poor at other things. Or you can be a jack of all trades, the choice is yours. With the costs of the higher attributes being steeper, players will probably want to specialize in one or two attributes and get the best perks in those attributes and late game there will be less god tier characters who have every perk unlocked. We are looking for feedback such as are there any exploits or severe imbalances with this new system.
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I like the idea of removing the gating by upping the cost of attributes. But then again, there will be consecuences. At level 300 if you max out every perk you will have around 26 free perk points to expend. If we count the increased cost of attributes the result (even if this was an early draft of points needed) will be that the player can't max out everything if he tries hard enough (with that new change).

Given that you are not opposed to the "get it all" players and just don't like it much, what do you think about having a tier 6 quest that gives you an option/chance to get 1 perk point on completion? That would avoid the having to up the level cap every time you feel like the game needs more perks and/or non level capping. Quests are cool, and given the framework that's already in there, doing harder modular ones will be a piece of cake(ish) to compensate for that kind of a reward.

 
Does the spawnrate of Zombies has been decreased?Me and a friend played 38 Days (90 min.) reached level 105+ and we are at Gamestage 220+.

There are pretty less zombies than before in any kind of buildings...
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Sounds like you are playing an old save on the new version. Sleepers were almost nonexistant after I update. So I wiped the world and started over.

 
My only consern is that bicycles/minibikes will become obsolete, because everyone will rush to motorcycles. I definitely will. Same with iron tools/armor. Maybe leave intellect level gated as it is now?

 
My only consern is that bicycles/minibikes will become obsolete, because everyone will rush to motorcycles. I definitely will. Same with iron tools/armor. Maybe leave intellect level gated as it is now?
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Leaving only one attribute level gated and not others will be confusing as hell for new players, especially since the interface isn't great at telling you why things are locked.

Before that, I'd increase the requirements to craft the motorcycles. But really, they already take a lot of steel (and duct tape), meaning if you rush it you'll only be able to craft it by buying all that steel, and you still require a workbench too (which you might not find).

Basically, yeah, you'll be able to rush it but it will be an investment in both time and money. Just have to tweak the investment to be balanced. And as others mentioned before, the motorcycle doesn't necessarily make the bike and minibike obsolete, since the bike consumes no fuel and the bike is more efficient.

EDIT: perhaps now that steel won't be level-gated, it would be a good thing to raise the price of steel sold. At the moment it's around 100, I think, and although it seems expensive at first, it means you can buy 100 steel bars for as little as 10k. Since you could rush steel if you really wanted it, raising the cost a little bit could be a good counterweight? It would also alleviate the above problem with the motorcycle, making it harder to craft it for those who rushed it.

 
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I like the idea of removing the gating by upping the cost of attributes. But then again, there will be consecuences. At level 300 if you max out every perk you will have around 26 free perk points to expend. If we count the increased cost of attributes the result (even if this was an early draft of points needed) will be that the player can't max out everything if he tries hard enough (with that new change).
Given that you are not opposed to the "get it all" players and just don't like it much, what do you think about having a tier 6 quest that gives you an option/chance to get 1 perk point on completion? That would avoid the having to up the level cap every time you feel like the game needs more perks and/or non level capping. Quests are cool, and given the framework that's already in there, doing harder modular ones will be a piece of cake(ish) to compensate for that kind of a reward.
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Those challenges still give points. We're not really even thinking about the level cap right now, more about how does progression feel the first 50-100 levels.

 
My only consern is that bicycles/minibikes will become obsolete, because everyone will rush to motorcycles. I definitely will. Same with iron tools/armor. Maybe leave intellect level gated as it is now?
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We can level gate specific perks if needed, but I'm in favor of making a rare trinket needed to craft said vehicle, like a schematic for each part like mods.

 
Just make us to do efford to get what we want and need guys. You are on the very right way.

Thank you for sharing this info MM.

 
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