PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

[konrax]

Disagree with the second half of your statement. Currently it is an exploit. Maybe not digging down to bedrock since that does require a lot of work to do and the depth makes more sense that you would have safety from zombies. But being able to dig down two with a hatch above you and be safe is definitely a problem.
However, the underground is a biome like any other. To say playing in the underground should not be encouraged is like saying playing in the Forest should not be encouraged. They just need to make the biome more interesting and remove the force field around it and then do lots of encouraging to go and play there.

Roland I think the issue with underground bases is the lack of trade off for the defensive benefits.

If food and water were to be a more substantial system it would make living exclusively underground for long periods of time much more difficult.

Making crafted food items expire over a period of time would limit a stock piles lifespan, it would also make canned food which is looted a superior food option for preservation purposes. Water on the other hand should be more difficult to manage as well, I almost feel like currently it's an irrelevant system after a short time. Removing water duplication with buckets would help make it harder underground, however I feel like it is entirely too easy to craft large amounts of water (or goldenrod tea) due to the current water collection and jar system. I'm not entirely sure what would be the best way to go about changing this, but I feel something closer to Dayz canteen/water bottle system would be far more rewarding for this game.

In essence I think it makes sense to force bunker players to have to play more like scavengers and this type of system would promote that style of play.

 

[wordwaster]

Good to know you're laughing again these days!
Yes, it would be really awesome to have underground threats that pertain and exist in the underground without having to migrate there from the surface. Of course it would be great if they could re-implement complex cave systems you can get lost in or fall into and as for making it a challenge to reach bedrock (No TFP, not pickaxe sponge rocks) I'm all for it. Make it a battle instead of only a grind.

i miss those caves. they looked awesome and they were always fun to explore, even if they were empty. i spent a lot of time woodframing my way through them to check out all the passages.

 

[Roland]

Food spoilage has been on the radar in the past. Not so sure any more. Could be the Behemoth is munching on their spoiled food right now and barfing all the way down the zipline into the plains biome.

I haven't heard anyone on the team talk about food spoilage for a long time. But I wish it was a thing. The survival aspect of the game needs it badly whether you're living overland or underland.

Oh man, this is going to spark another argument isn't it....

 

[ppnl]

What's with people hitting the trigger words today? Shall I mention in-game nudity and child zombies just for completion?

I'm fine with just about anything. But no clowns. Don't go there. The clown lobby is powerful and will ruin your life. Have you seen our president? Orange hair. Think about it. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

 

[Phoenixshade35]

Roland, when it comes to food spoilage i say bring it on, it would also tie in with more electricity like running to a fridge to slow down the timer, maybe even making a stove run on electricity for higher crafting options, i could see it happening, even adding a spoil time to your farms that you plant could make survival harder, i look forward to the challenge if it comes around, which of those do you like for the foodie debate? lol

 

[meganoth]

Oh man, this is going to spark another argument isn't it....

Well, do you want to have the full argument, or were you thinking of taking a course? It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.

 

[Gatskopper13]

I really don't get why people have to fight and complain about underground bases. It might be a problem on pvp servers, I don't know. I don't like pvp and play single player 99% of the time, so why should my play style bother other people. I don't tell them how to play and what to do. I play games to have fun and this game lets me do what I want and how I want and I have been enjoying that for over 3k hrs. If the Pimps decides to make it more difficult for me then I'm up for it. But like I said stop complaining on how others play let them enjoy the game and play the way they like. Everyone is different and enjoy different things.

I also jjust want to say thanks to the pimps for all their hard work and I'm looking forward to try out A17, I know its going to be great.

 

[wolfbain5]

let's leave the grabboids out of it.

ok, but you're gonna regret not giving them a name.

 

[Grs]

@faatal Any chance we get an optimization of large buildings collapse code? Last time I've tried collapsing those, it looked awkward. Glitchy and slow. Same goes to large chunks of the ground.

 

[wolfbain5]

This is important: its or his or her?

since a behemoths gender was never specified, it is a unclarified object, all objects are an it. therefore it's is the proper possessive pronoun.

Food spoilage has been on the radar in the past. Not so sure any more. Could be the Behemoth is munching on their spoiled food right now and barfing all the way down the zipline into the plains biome.
I haven't heard anyone on the team talk about food spoilage for a long time. But I wish it was a thing. The survival aspect of the game needs it badly whether you're living overland or underland.

Oh man, this is going to spark another argument isn't it....

yeah yeah, like you don't do that on purpose and then sit giggling in the corner while watching the mayhem unfold just so you can whip out your mod stick and start slapping people with it.

 

[Space4Ace]

yep wife has the entire collection dvds and now and than does watch them... actually i think we will watch it tonight...

I watched "Tremors" again this afternoon. After your message, I couldn't get it out of my head.

 

[Pizzalicious]

Muwahahahaha....good luck with that bro....lol

stilt bases, just need spikes on pillars, blade traps, electric fences, shotgun turrets, exploding bolts. Can also do a pit around but not needed. The more they throw at us, the more we build accordingly. The only major game changer wouldve been the Behemoth or wall crasher thingy from the Starvation mod.

 

[Jedo]

I hate to quote Aaron Rogers because I hate the Packers, but "Just Relax".

What, are you a fan of some other NFC North team? Not the Vikings, surely...

What's with people hitting the trigger words today? Shall I mention in-game nudity and child zombies just for completion?

(Sorry for the lack of quality.)
This is not ok! I nearly stopped watching the movie right there. Do not put child zombies in this game!

 

[unholyjoe]

I watched "Tremors" again this afternoon. After your message, I couldn't get it out of my head.

some things do that to a person and some things are so bad you wished you could forget it...

 

[Space4Ace]

no video just a cookie

 

[sillls]

I haven’t been to more than 2 or 3. I’m waiting to do a proper playthrough until A17 stable so I mostly experiment or test new additions to the changelog. I don’t want to spoil too much for myself and get a bunch of POIs memorized before I play them realistically.
I have enjoyed all I have played through. Yesterday I tried out Random Gen and found a city in the burnt forest with tons of bombed out buildings closely packed together. It was very eerie standing at the top of one and looking out over the city during the nighttime. I felt utterly alone. I started thinking about connecting all the roof tops with bridges and having a network of rooftops be my base which is something I’ve never done before.

That and ziplines.

 

[wolfbain5]

@Faatal

wait a 40 range detection? is that 40 blocks? 40 pixels, what exactly is this in a quantifiable way? cause 40 blocks is a huge range when in buildings.

 

[sillls]

Currently in A17 all human zombies will dig down if you are in a general area below them and they don't have a path to reach you.

I dig it. Get it. lol

 

[meganoth]

I really don't get why people have to fight and complain about underground bases. It might be a problem on pvp servers, I don't know. I don't like pvp and play single player 99% of the time, so why should my play style bother other people. I don't tell them how to play and what to do. I play games to have fun and this game lets me do what I want and how I want and I have been enjoying that for over 3k hrs. If the Pimps decides to make it more difficult for me then I'm up for it. But like I said stop complaining on how others play let them enjoy the game and play the way they like. Everyone is different and enjoy different things.
I also jjust want to say thanks to the pimps for all their hard work and I'm looking forward to try out A17, I know its going to be great.

Strange that these posts about "don't tell me how to play" almost never quote the post that does that transgression (with the notable exception of the few posts quoting Xeen) . They summarily accuse everyone on the other side of the argument so that even if someone protests, the absolutely safe reply is "Maybe not you but I've read so many posts where this is true".

Please, if you want to accuse, name aka quote the accused and argue with him, like I do now. I'm for underground dangers because I want to go into the underground and have fun and action there and I don't care what you do or how you play. And I protest this mass accusation.

 

[sillls]

It applies to any zombie regardless of how they were spawned. It is part of the normal logic to get to their target. They would have to sense you first, so if you are quiet down in a cave they should not be bothering you. Have a party. Make some noise. You might get zombies visiting from above.

Like a good neighbor, zombies are there!