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This is the worst Dev Diary I've seen yet. Roland, I don't envy your job bud. Faatal and Prime, thanks for your contributions, it's appreciated by the folks who understand that doing what you do isn't color-by-numbers.
Anybody asking why this isn't the focal point of dev news, look at the people posting around you. Would YOU want to interact with this lot?
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I just see it as growing pains. Some people bought this game while it was still mostly an empty framework and just assumed the game would be Gary’s Mod of the Zombie Apocalypse. Now that the framework is being flesh out into a designed game with rules and restrictions it hurts their sandbox elbow.

Others bought the game when experience points were first added and just assumed this wasn’t going to be WoW of the Zombie Apocalypse. Now that restrictions on min/maxing are being implemented it hurst their grindfest groin.

7 Days to Die is evolving into the designed ruleset of an open world tower defense survival horror role playing zombie apocalypse game the devs always wanted it to be.

 
I just see it as growing pains. Some people bought this game while it was still mostly an empty framework and just assumed the game would be Gary’s Mod of the Zombie Apocalypse. Now that the framework is being flesh out into a designed game with rules and restrictions it hurts their sandbox elbow.
Others bought the game when experience points were first added and just assumed this wasn’t going to be WoW of the Zombie Apocalypse. Now that restrictions on min/maxing are being implemented it hurst their grindfest groin.

7 Days to Die is evolving into the designed ruleset of an open world tower defense survival horror role playing zombie apocalypse game the devs always wanted it to be.
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pfft. A7 was were it was at!

 
Just confirmed with Prime. The challenge quests in the form of notes now grant experience points instead of spendable skill points. He also said their format will change but he did not elaborate. Looks like level 200 will be a hard cap with no fudging past it in A17 vanilla.
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So we either can, up max lv in the xml or up skill points per level to compensate. I'd prob up max level myself. First though the game has to be able to keep my interest right now by the time I hit lv 60-70 I am bored and quit. By then I have so much ammo and resources I literally have no reason to explore anymore. I also play dead is dead in A16 so if I die=delete world. Still love the game it just starts to call apart in midgame in A16 for me. A17 though sounds like its bascally going to be a new game, I can't wait.

 
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So we either can, up max lv in the xml or up skill points per level to compensate. I'd prob up max level myself.
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Skill points per level will be probably what i will do bit first i will play it as is and see how it is.

 
I think upping skill points per level will tend to put you too far ahead of the difficulty curve. If I felt the need I would increase the level cap.

But I dig specialization and starting over fresh. Can’t imagine playing to day 1000 just to max everything out.

 
pfft. A7 was were it was at!
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Only thing I miss from A7 are the old cobblestone/titanium blocks, but that's just because of the look. If they added a paint texture of that, I'd be ok. Many of the old versions are still available through Steam's Beta tab. If you need a dose of the "good old days" just hop on and switch over. The Mod Manager lets you make a copy with the older version too I believe.

 
I think upping skill points per level will tend to put you too far ahead of the difficulty curve. If I felt the need I would increase the level cap.
But I dig specialization and starting over fresh. Can’t imagine playing to day 1000 just to max everything out.
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Yeah level cap would probally be better, this way the diffculty stays the same at least until level 200. Highest level I've ever gotten has been in the 80's or so before I got bored, as I had everything I needed in A16 a bit before then.

 
degradation yes but if say a pick ax wrench etc wears down you fix it over and over it never needs replacing so you never need that material tool ever again. Even with the guns you keep using something it wears down with this you never need a new tool or gun ever again. Why explore if your purple gun never breaks down, why would you ever need to make a 2nd steel iron etc pick ax if repairing it makes it brand new over and over again. Again I might of missed something but if its like what I said it takes away a huge part off exploring and replacing tools. Final words for now, so in this world guns and tools never really break down now?
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What could happen is maybe it takes a durability hit after each repair, so eventually its going to have next to no durability and it'll need to be replaced. I don't think it'll drop quality tiers anymore not when it has mod slots now. But dropping durability on each repair? that could be done. Also if you have a workbench your tools will never have a quality drop, just make a copy of it and use that to repair it via combine in the workbench.

 
I think upping skill points per level will tend to put you too far ahead of the difficulty curve. If I felt the need I would increase the level cap.
But I dig specialization and starting over fresh. Can’t imagine playing to day 1000 just to max everything out.
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Yeah you are right.

I did that in A16 once and i had concrete in lile the first week.

Also in one of my recent pِays i had a minibike on day 5 just by scavenging the parts together and wrenching cars.

 
FaatalHave the night vision googles been fixed for A17...could be useful with the AI being fixed!!

Regards

Ouch

Coughs * VIDEO * Coughs
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I wish we could change the effect itself so its like the cats eye chem from fallout new vegas. Here is a picture of it: FNV_effect_cateye_cave.jpg Picture is clear and it has a blueish filter effect with no static like the ones in 7dtd.

 
I wanted to ask:

1. I saw this post in the (drop section) on the first page.

"er....Blimp... 7/24/18"

Are they talking about the blimps that faatal was making?

2. Why can we only install mods to weapons and not take them off?

Seems simple enough to install and remove a scope as needed.

 
1. Yes. Exactly.

2. To keep you scavenging for more. If scopes are detachable you won’t care when finding a new one. But if they aren’t then you’ll be glad to get a new one every time you find one.

 
Give them a chance to be reduced in effectiveness or durability or something when removing them instead. Not being able to figure out how to remove an extended magazine is going to be really strange.

 
2. To keep you scavenging for more. If scopes are detachable you won’t care when finding a new one. But if they aren’t then you’ll be glad to get a new one every time you find one.
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That's no different than not caring to find one more water jar because your water supply is covered, or one more tier 6 rifle because you already have one, etc. I don't really like this being the reason that scopes would not be dettachable, honestly. You can still scrap new ones you find of the same type, or hand them to a friend, or sell them, or keep some more around to use in more than one gun at the same time.

EDIT: Also, can't mods theoretically have different properties, even the same ones, with the new buff system? So you could always have two x4 scopes that add different stats, besides the magnification itself?

 
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1. Yes. Exactly.
2. To keep you scavenging for more. If scopes are detachable you won’t care when finding a new one. But if they aren’t then you’ll be glad to get a new one every time you find one.
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Ok thanks. :)

 
2. To keep you scavenging for more. If scopes are detachable you won’t care when finding a new one. But if they aren’t then you’ll be glad to get a new one every time you find one.
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Gameplay over realism eh?

With what do we attach these then? Nailgun? Superglue? Are we welding them on?

There has to be SOME reason why they aren't detachable.

I know I'm always very critizising... mostly because I don't think that positives need changing therefor no mention...

But if this is truely the only reason, then I might actually lose faith in TFPs.

My faith has wavered over the course of the alphas sometimes...

They have made questionable descicions... but they were never a real... philosophical problem.

They wanted more rpg elements and less spamcrafting... okay understandable...

They wanted a more streamline look of menus and windows... yeah okay... i get it...

but to put something in that makes NO sense for absolutly no other reason then "we are too lazy/stupid to figure out a better way of balancing it" is absolutly mental.

If this is temporary and will be changed when beta comes around... fine... I mean I still dislike the 6 step quality system... and this further illustrates the lack of progression... but if this stays... I might actually have to mod my game...

Immersion was always a big factor for me. But weapon attachments aren't "single use only" items... you can choose what you want... if you dont want them you sell them... or you can find attachments for different weapons.. (scopex4-pistol;scopex4-shotgun; ... and so on)

but not beeing able to remove attachments...

I'm very disappointed...

Change my mind!

... no please! change my mind! tell me I'm crazy and overlook something... tell me there is a better reason then "we aren't able to balance it better so we will break your immersion so you have to scavange even more"

Why not simply make the attachments rarer?

Its a super simple, non immersion breaking change. Why artificially create a problem where non exists?

 
Why not wait until A17 is in everyones hands and then question whether the feature needs changing or not?

 
because the logic is the point... not the gameplay.

I dont even doubt that gameplay doesn't suffer...

but my immersion will... if i have to sell my good sniper with x4 scope, because I have just found an x16 scope but i cant detach the previous modifications for some reason.

If there is an ingame reason for it... fine (maybe it gets destroyed depending on the quality or your weaponsmithing or something) but it sounded like a "gameplay first, excuse later" situation.

 
Anyone knows if they implemented something or they will agains the players that use the duplication bug?

Its annoying to see new people joining to my server always and see them duplicating and lagging the server, I cant control 24hs our everyone, obviously I end up banning 2 or 3 of 6 new players.

There was a server manager that haded an anti-dup system but it was left with no updates lot of years ago.

 
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