PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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Menace312
Refugee
I've been thinking a little about this from time to time.
If what you say is true, then it should not be possible for 2 "objects" to occupy the same block. Should it?
But the craftable safe, for example, IS placed inside an already occupied block.
Or is this somehow a different scenario?
Roland
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I took your post as an honest question and I think others did too.
I think that Gronk is right in that once 1000's of people get their hands on it and start building in different ways there is going to be some weirdness to the pathing and AI that is unexpected that will emerge and some of that could end up being awesome sauce that is still fair while other stuff will turn out to be seen as glitchy and unfair or too easily exploited. I think I'm more excited about the conversations we'll be having concerning A17's experimental builds than any before it.
The Gronk
Colon Pounder
The mechanic you're looking for is called a "compound block" which is when a block can contain two objects that would otherwise require a block to themselves. Compound blocks haven't been implemented as far as I know, the wall safe is likely to be on the inside face of an otherwise empty block.
Try to break the connection in your head about how a block is stored and what appears in front of the player. The grid where the data is stored is necessarily light and only contains the information required to tell the rest of the engine how to build the world.
For example, the metadata for a block likely only contains a series of words and numbers that describe what to place in a particular area. This is the base layer, everything else such as the game world interacts with this data but unless you look into the actual save file for each chunk you'll never see it yourself.
I really should get around to having a proper look through the code. Most of my guesses and suppositions are derived from actually playing the game while having a reasonable knowledge of different game mechanics and engines.
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KingSlayerGM
Refugee
Can you guys please make more of those storage crates covers?
JaxTeller718
Survivor
Ok
Red Eagle LXIX
Community Moderator
I've got a concern with the new zombies on the front of how they will destroy the terrain/buildings to get to a player.
Mind you not a gameplay concern; rather a concern for the immersion aspect.
It sounds like the destruction we may see with digging and attempting to directly collapse walls/buildings will not match the POIs thus far seen and the destruction that has occurred to them.
This often bothers me already when it comes to any "sealed" POI (one with all entrances/exits blocked in one or more ways but zombies inside(worsened at higher gamestages with sleepers)).
I know, it is stupid thing to wonder upon. I know, I should just say it is a game, but for some reason it bugs me.
EDIT: to be clear I actually find it more immersion breaking and disturbing at times than someone who chooses to bunker at bedrock or build to sky high to avoid zombie interaction. It just reminds me the apocalypse wasn't real even in that game world and the whole thing is a game to get the player.
EDIT2: Perhaps the POIs should be designed undamaged, then let the zeds do their natural tracking to follow players through to get more POIs that feel like they were a part of the apocalypse as involving the zeds we will encounter.
Mind you not a gameplay concern; rather a concern for the immersion aspect.
It sounds like the destruction we may see with digging and attempting to directly collapse walls/buildings will not match the POIs thus far seen and the destruction that has occurred to them.
This often bothers me already when it comes to any "sealed" POI (one with all entrances/exits blocked in one or more ways but zombies inside(worsened at higher gamestages with sleepers)).
I know, it is stupid thing to wonder upon. I know, I should just say it is a game, but for some reason it bugs me.
EDIT: to be clear I actually find it more immersion breaking and disturbing at times than someone who chooses to bunker at bedrock or build to sky high to avoid zombie interaction. It just reminds me the apocalypse wasn't real even in that game world and the whole thing is a game to get the player.
EDIT2: Perhaps the POIs should be designed undamaged, then let the zeds do their natural tracking to follow players through to get more POIs that feel like they were a part of the apocalypse as involving the zeds we will encounter.
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Gobarg
Refugee
Has there been much discussion on Horde nights and if they are going to be any different from what we have now?
Currently the night is effectively over around midnight whereas in A15 they seemed to come for most of the night.
A16 set to 64 can be a really intense couple of hours (Gametime) as they all stream in but it always seems to end too early.
Please forgive me if this is another one of those subjects that has been beaten to death with a ban hammer.
I'm just curious if there are any changes in the wind.
Currently the night is effectively over around midnight whereas in A15 they seemed to come for most of the night.
A16 set to 64 can be a really intense couple of hours (Gametime) as they all stream in but it always seems to end too early.
Please forgive me if this is another one of those subjects that has been beaten to death with a ban hammer.
I'm just curious if there are any changes in the wind.
Roland
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I think Gazz will have to comment on this. He is aware of Guppycur's mod that turns the final wave into a flood like the previous waves instead of the trickle we get now. With the new pathing maybe the trickle will work better than it has. It just depends on the vision for that final wave in the night and whether the devs want it to be a trickle or a flood.
Gobarg
Refugee
Given that it is a focus of the game I am sure TFP are always thinking about how to improve it.
The current system is a lot of fun but just seems to peter out too soon leaving you with a lot of adrenaline and a long night till morning.
In A15 the rising of the sun was the end of a long night of Zombie slaying and it felt right.
A16 feels like you are missing the last chapter in a book.
The current system is a lot of fun but just seems to peter out too soon leaving you with a lot of adrenaline and a long night till morning.
In A15 the rising of the sun was the end of a long night of Zombie slaying and it felt right.
A16 feels like you are missing the last chapter in a book.
KhaineGB
Hunter
No, the game won't look like FarCry 5, because it's more than just textures. It's all the shaders and other such things required to make the game look good.
That's actually pretty hard to add to 7DTD via mods. Now, if TFP add that support themselves... that's different.
As for the textures, it would be interesting to see if it's even possible to add 4k textures. The atlas might be 8k, but that's made up of much smaller textures, so then the question becomes "How big of a texture atlas can 7DTD AND Unity handle?"
Basically you're wanting AAA graphics from a game not using an AAA engine (based on how people seem to define AAA games) and I honestly think you're obsessing about it too much.
Graphics don't make everything.
Aldranon
Refugee
Yeah, the tunnel under a large mountain is like a semi-underground fort and I recommend it to "under grounders" as a step up in excitement and potential looting.
1) Being able to focus all your shotgun turrets in a limited area, partly blocking their field of fire so they can only fire down and point blank should be very effective.
2) Building 50% round pillars horizontally, 2 blocks out should let the dead zombies fall through to an area where you can collect the loot (yes most loot is bad but some is great and you need the bones for more shotgun shells...).
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