PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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Doctor3D
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Yep. That would at least be an agreeable compromise for me - but should appear when YOU hit\shoot the zombie - not a trap or another player.
I don't like just being able to scan in the dark and see the health bars and know the identity of each zombie and how much health they have. What's worse is when you have traps further out and some of them have taken damage from the traps as they approach- you would then be able to simply prioritize based on the varying health status of the mob. If I see two cops both running towards the base, and both have already taken some trap damage from the outer perimeter- but one has lower health than the other - I would widdle down the other one so that they both die on the inner perimeter defense spikes as they approach. I don't want to have to think and play that way it would be too gamey. But, it would be silly not to do it if the bar is right in front of you..
BTW: Thanks for taking time out on memorial day to upload a vid and give us an update.
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Rassilon
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@Madmole.
Thank you for the Video. Was nice to see you beeing scared and the better working guns ( compared to last time ).
The Trees really add to Immersion now.
You sounded pretty... snappy, when you talked about us asking for a realease date.
I really get you. You and your Team work their Ass off since Months and when you go to the Forum, there are lots of Complaints. You even take your Time on Weekends to make those Videos if i notice that correctly. Respect!
That beeing Said, please note the following things
1) You changed your Method in Communication drastically in comparsation to A16. At this time, we had double the amount of Videos
2) This results in a felt slower Development, when the Opposite is the Case.
3) You told us pretty early that you stocked up your team wich raised Expectations in a faster Process, while we are now longer waiting for A17 as we did for A16.
Dont get me wrong here, Take the time you need but 3) collides with 2) here
Maybe you could do in the future 1 Video per Month. Doesnt have to be long.
Could be a trip through a new POI like this awesome Church you have been in, or just cruising around with the Jeep and give us some Meat-Pieces where you tell us how things are going in general
Thank you for the Video. Was nice to see you beeing scared and the better working guns ( compared to last time ).
The Trees really add to Immersion now.
You sounded pretty... snappy, when you talked about us asking for a realease date.
I really get you. You and your Team work their Ass off since Months and when you go to the Forum, there are lots of Complaints. You even take your Time on Weekends to make those Videos if i notice that correctly. Respect!
That beeing Said, please note the following things
1) You changed your Method in Communication drastically in comparsation to A16. At this time, we had double the amount of Videos
2) This results in a felt slower Development, when the Opposite is the Case.
3) You told us pretty early that you stocked up your team wich raised Expectations in a faster Process, while we are now longer waiting for A17 as we did for A16.
Dont get me wrong here, Take the time you need but 3) collides with 2) here
Maybe you could do in the future 1 Video per Month. Doesnt have to be long.
Could be a trip through a new POI like this awesome Church you have been in, or just cruising around with the Jeep and give us some Meat-Pieces where you tell us how things are going in general
The Z health bar is hugely 'immersion breaking', and I hate it. Can't believe nobody else has thrown those words back at Joel so far.
If the bar was to stay, I'd prefer it was semi-transparent, just a ghost of a bar, and not in bright red, and maybe underneath my belt, not up near eye level.
Edit: I've been playing Borderlands lately, and the mystical swirling of light from the use of elemental weapons gets really over the top, and often completely obscures my view of the targeted enemy, with my only guide to their location being their damned health bar that shows through the elemental fog. Stupid.
If the bar was to stay, I'd prefer it was semi-transparent, just a ghost of a bar, and not in bright red, and maybe underneath my belt, not up near eye level.
Edit: I've been playing Borderlands lately, and the mystical swirling of light from the use of elemental weapons gets really over the top, and often completely obscures my view of the targeted enemy, with my only guide to their location being their damned health bar that shows through the elemental fog. Stupid.
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I never felt development was slower. I read the list of proposed changes and, if they do make A17 experimental in July, it will beat my personal estimate by 2 or 3 months. The communication method changed for me just like everyone else so that can't be why it seemed slower.@Madmole.
Thank you for the Video. Was nice to see you beeing scared and the better working guns ( compared to last time ).
The Trees really add to Immersion now.
You sounded pretty... snappy, when you talked about us asking for a realease date.
I really get you. You and your Team work their Ass off since Months and when you go to the Forum, there are lots of Complaints. You even take your Time on Weekends to make those Videos if i notice that correctly. Respect!
That beeing Said, please note the following things
1) You changed your Method in Communication drastically in comparsation to A16. At this time, we had double the amount of Videos
2) This results in a felt slower Development, when the Opposite is the Case.
3) You told us pretty early that you stocked up your team wich raised Expectations in a faster Process, while we are now longer waiting for A17 as we did for A16.
Dont get me wrong here, Take the time you need but 3) collides with 2) here
Maybe you could do in the future 1 Video per Month. Doesnt have to be long.
Could be a trip through a new POI like this awesome Church you have been in, or just cruising around with the Jeep and give us some Meat-Pieces where you tell us how things are going in general
Edit: I would prefer more communication from devs but after reading the crap they put up with every time they come on the forums I can't really blame them for slowing it way down.
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Aldranon
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Unless they want to make a dozen or so skins for each zombie so you can see the damage you have inflicted, I would say keep the bars too.
You might not see a zombie in the dark, but I'm sure you can smell them! Consider them Smell Bars that just happen to show zombie health!
Pichii
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Teehee, dogs are cute with armor...
Armor is insanely good vs zombies.
The reason I mention this is because if your armor level is 10, packs of dogs will not insta-kill you.
The trick with them babies is well, reflexes. They suck at hitting anything above ankle level so jumping causes them to miss 90% of the time.
If you are mining and get hit and your inate reaction is JUMP, you can actually live and kill them all. Ive survived day 40 in basic gear vs a 20 dog pack around 0,0... Just gota git gud.
PS:I would also like it if the dogs barked beforehand. THey dont ALWAYS do so specially if they recently spawned. Their howls are very bassy comparatively to the rest of the zombie noises.
Trolls aside, if you take 1x1 barb wire and stand in it with a medic pack handy, your armor skill will become level 5. 3xbarbed wire and youll be armor level 10.
Armor is insanely good vs zombies.
The reason I mention this is because if your armor level is 10, packs of dogs will not insta-kill you.
The trick with them babies is well, reflexes. They suck at hitting anything above ankle level so jumping causes them to miss 90% of the time.
If you are mining and get hit and your inate reaction is JUMP, you can actually live and kill them all. Ive survived day 40 in basic gear vs a 20 dog pack around 0,0... Just gota git gud.
PS:I would also like it if the dogs barked beforehand. THey dont ALWAYS do so specially if they recently spawned. Their howls are very bassy comparatively to the rest of the zombie noises.
dhlmaster
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I love it! Getting stunned will be so much more lethal now, because you won't be able to fight back very well.Notice that when he actually hit a zombie with the club it would impact dead on in the same spot? I'm finishing setting up impacts so the timing is dead on. I'm bothered by the frame skipping in some of the melee swings as well. Some is the keyframing, some import settings, some just having too fast of a movement in between. It's on the polish list for sure though
Also APM is the new way we control melee attack speed (Attacks Per Minute). If you rewatch the video, watch the club swing when he's stunned, the swing is half speed.
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That's great the hear. Yes I believe it impacted the same spot, but with no movement or shutter of the body. I guess its just a few inconsistency's where it sometimes works but other times it doesn't(like when the zombie is stunned on the the ground). Mo-cap can be tricky as the animation has to finish before another hit animation occurs, but i guess some rag doll effects could be mixed in to smooth it out both when the zombie is standing and on the ground. Absolutely about the timing on weapons and good news that this is being worked on.Notice that when he actually hit a zombie with the club it would impact dead on in the same spot? I'm finishing setting up impacts so the timing is dead on. I'm bothered by the frame skipping in some of the melee swings as well. Some is the keyframing, some import settings, some just having too fast of a movement in between. It's on the polish list for sure though
Also APM is the new way we control melee attack speed (Attacks Per Minute). If you rewatch the video, watch the club swing when he's stunned, the swing is half speed.
Will watch the video again. The APM is a great addition which adds a lot of variety to different weapons rather than them being same same.
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Rassilon
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+1
This Mentality of said people is why we cant have nice things
Roland
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Your very first post has taught me.Trolls aside, if you take 1x1 barb wire and stand in it with a medic pack handy, your armor skill will become level 5. 3xbarbed wire and youll be armor level 10.Armor is insanely good vs zombies.
The reason I mention this is because if your armor level is 10, packs of dogs will not insta-kill you.
The trick with them babies is well, reflexes. They suck at hitting anything above ankle level so jumping causes them to miss 90% of the time.
If you are mining and get hit and your inate reaction is JUMP, you can actually live and kill them all. Ive survived day 40 in basic gear vs a 20 dog pack around 0,0... Just gota git gud.
PS:I would also like it if the dogs barked beforehand. THey dont ALWAYS do so specially if they recently spawned. Their howls are very bassy comparatively to the rest of the zombie noises.
Thank you good sir and welcome to the forum!
Death2gnomes
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I vote we ban you now.... to the inside of a Kleenex box so you dont run out of tissues crying about what everyone else says. I expect my quote to be, "It's August, where is experimental".
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what he didnt mention is that Zombies and sneak up on you with absolute stealthiness.
KingSlayerGM
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@Roland, be honest:
how relived do you feel now that you don't have to manage that hp bar?
how relived do you feel now that you don't have to manage that hp bar?
I'm not sure I understand your response. Is it directed at me or the person I was responding to?
I was arguing against scaling HP based on gamestage because it just nullifies the progression you worked so hard for. Oh hey I got a new axe and I upgraded my melee skill but zombies have more HP now so it still takes 3 hits to kill them, what was the point in progressing? Kinda just destroys an entire dimension of the game if you do that imo.
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