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Chronic Cougher
I never said..END GAME..i said late game play has not been addressed ..that's all. Relax bro..its an opinion. Its an alpha opinion...better??
PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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Since you mention the behemoth.
As far as I understand the behemoth would be big, lots of hit points and have massive block damage. Two out of those three qualities can be given to any zombie in the game with 2 simple xml changes. Actually a few mods for advanced players should have one or two zombies like that in it. Would they be enough or is the size of the behemoth indispensable for you as a late game threat?
If size doesn't matter, TFP could add more bullet-sponge, block-damaging zombies any day. But the result would mostly be that after horde night you would have to add another day of base repair. Is that what you want?
(And I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't talk about squishy opinions, we should talk about facts. Correction: And I'm of the fact that we....)
JaxTeller718
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Sounds good on paper, but all evidence points to late game being "ADD MOAR HP" and quite frankly that's a lazy end game mechanic that most veteran players will see through immediately.
We are well enough into development that late game mechanics should start becoming SOME kind of a priority. They are building all of these great mid game things like Jeeps and Gyrocopters, yet all we have been hinted at thus far is raid boss zombies. Not much else in terms of late game challenges or obstacles. Eventually you add so much to early game that you create your OWN hurdle to late game.
Gyro is mid-game? Ok, what is your idea of a late game challenge not made out of bullet-sponge?
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Chronic Cougher
I was never in favor of the Behemoth...never thought it fit the game....i have always said to add breacher type zombies...a scientist with a breaker of fuel...or a military guy with a rocket or a miner with a stick of dynamite. To clear the outer layer of base defenses and or breach walls...or at the least take a few levels off upgraded blocks.
So ok what's the answer...never to be challenged in late game...to have an indestructible unbreachable fortress where you just sit inside...sounds fun ! Its a survival game....shoulnt it be a challenge to survive??
So build it once and then what....keep it shiny. I personally don't build one huge base..i build multiple ones as I move and explore.
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Roland
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You may have missed the lines above that where Madmole told us that things added to the list were things finished or being currently worked on. Wainscotting Block is not what they are aspiring to with A17. It was done months ago and listed in the changes for those who play this game with an enjoyment of building and designing interiors and/or creating prefabs.
Endgame content isn't going to show up on the list until it is done or currently being worked on. So the list is not a good indicator of where A17 is going, it is only an indicator of what has been accomplished so far.
JaxTeller718
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Let's be honest, the Gyrocopter will be attainable by mid game. Read back on my posts, i am heavily against it. But que sera sera you know?
Ill be damned, a wainscoting block IS on the features list. And I was worried about late game goals :behindsofa:
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Quantum Blue
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Jax?
Why you wasting time on the developer forum? Get your virtual butt back over to RavenWhatTheHeck 3.0...
Oh!!!!
(Dude - massive kudos and appreciation - for so many things/reasons.)
JaxTeller718
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They left the cellar door open....shhhh
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Chronic Cougher
Whoever put that door in ..please change it to locked and put a code in.
Ok, that is basically just a zombie with massive block damage. Trivially to implement by changing a number in xml. Since TFP isn't doing it, they probably don't want that in the game. But it seems modders also don't include zombies with really massive block damage in the game (or I just haven't seen them yet).
Could it be that they are just not fun? Base building is done as a reaction to how zombies work. If zombies are too good at destroying bases I wouldn't waste my time with base building anymore. Not because of the danger but because base repair is the most boring grind I can imagine in 7D2D, even mining is less boring because you can do something else or turn off the brain. I would use connected POIs as one-use structures then and never build bases anymore.
For you the answer is to either mod yourself or ask someone which value to change so that you have your late game base destroyer. Fits your style nicely but isn't a one-size-fits-them-all case.
I like bases I build once and then don't need to grind to rebuild every week. I also don't want to build a new base every week, that is as much work as repairing the old.
My ideal late-game zombie (for the challenge) would be a zombie that doesn't destroy structures but circumvents them. Jumping zombies, zombie-throwing zombies, ghost zombies, zombies growing out of the floor or ceiling,,...
The Real Joonbug
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Ummm... the zombies that we get off screamers at day 198+ right now are everything from normal zombies to feral everythings... even zombie bears with a few dogs in tow.
I don't know what level you are, but if you're at 200+ as I am and a few of our friends are, then you'll get killed pretty soon. But if you're still at level 60 and playing by yourself... well, yeah. You're not there yet.
Aurelius
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Guppy had a modded server set up with Baby Boomers. They were green, baby-sized, baby-looking mobs which came at you as a herd, and exploded when they got within a certain distance of you.
We'd be playing and someone would spot them incoming, and people would just scramble to get out of the way. Think "GRENADE!". They'd go off and leave craters in their wake...
I definitely had a love-hate relationship with them. They added a serious level of challenge, pucker, and fun to the game.
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SittingDuck
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killing it with a sharp stick!
Aldranon
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In my humble opinion:
Early-Mid game: Done for the most part. NPC Factions needed.
Late game: The discovery that the Zombie virus was made to kill off most of mankind and let the elite of the world (Calling themselves The New World Order) live in luxury while their genetic modifications get stronger each year (approaching magical powers). A warrior sub-caste of genetically modified super humans do there bidding. (The Duke is a Tier 3 warrior of the NWO). The beginning struggle with the New World Order begins.
End Game:
The player finally discovers that he is a one in a billion, "freak of nature", who has no theoretical limits. A Part 2 would be needed to finish the global struggle and finally discover who and what the character really is.
Gear: The Gyrocopter and Airship are near end game items.
Early-Mid game: Done for the most part. NPC Factions needed.
Late game: The discovery that the Zombie virus was made to kill off most of mankind and let the elite of the world (Calling themselves The New World Order) live in luxury while their genetic modifications get stronger each year (approaching magical powers). A warrior sub-caste of genetically modified super humans do there bidding. (The Duke is a Tier 3 warrior of the NWO). The beginning struggle with the New World Order begins.
End Game:
The player finally discovers that he is a one in a billion, "freak of nature", who has no theoretical limits. A Part 2 would be needed to finish the global struggle and finally discover who and what the character really is.
Gear: The Gyrocopter and Airship are near end game items.
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