PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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IrishGhost
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Question about the new melee, is the animation shown final or is there a few things you guys still need to tweak on it? Looks a bit exaggerated.
Beside power attacks, another great addition to melee combat would be dynamic melee combat. For example a system similar to Mount and Blade where if you move your mouse up, your character will do an overhead attack. If you attack with your mouse moving down, a knockback (or stab for bladed weapons) and obviously moving your mouse left and right will swing your weapon in that direction. Would make combat feel more fluid and satisfying.
Beside power attacks, another great addition to melee combat would be dynamic melee combat. For example a system similar to Mount and Blade where if you move your mouse up, your character will do an overhead attack. If you attack with your mouse moving down, a knockback (or stab for bladed weapons) and obviously moving your mouse left and right will swing your weapon in that direction. Would make combat feel more fluid and satisfying.
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lordcrowler
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I know u do a gyrocopter right? Wll did u think about a boat to travel on water? I join today on a friend server and i cant explain why,but are a lot of lakes and rivers..well i travel more swiming than running on ground.. 
beerfly
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Swiming is "fun" part , but yes, there have been thoughts on possible rafts, but that will eventually come when water system gets reworked. Until then we will either swim, go round, or wait for the new gyro to fly over. That is all we know.I know u do a gyrocopter right? Wll did u think about a boat to travel on water? I join today on a friend server and i cant explain why,but are a lot of lakes and rivers..well i travel more swiming than running on ground..
I was expecting this reply and had the following reply stored in a fridge for immediate application:Where? In the DM's brain, a few seconds after the player announces his/her intent to do it.
Unholy Joe said "there is no game that is tailor made for every action". I don't call the game tailor made for the action if a random dynamic element like the DM is included as a catchall. I don't call this tailor-made. The DM could, if he had a bad day just say "You can't do that". That is not what I would call "tailor made".
Now its your turn again in the out-nitpicking-contest :rapture:
Yes, because I thought MM or someone else said something about checking the cupboards and creating them opened if they are empty. I could remember wrong or misunderstanding the algorithm or it was miscommunicated somewhere. And there is always the possibility that the algorithm even if correct at that time was changed in the mean time.
I don't see the difference in loot if the loot distribution isn't changed but only the visibility. They also could show only some of the empty boxes as opened (to change the assumption above and show more closed than opened drawers) and still keep the same loot distribution as previously.
The only interesting question here is: Can opened drawers change into closed drawers again on loot respawn (if enabled). I assume yes, but even if th answer would be no, it would be an interesting decline of loot availability that could work well with the growing ability of the player to acquire stuff by other means (especially the food)
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SnowDog1942
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Faatal, I want to start this post by saying my negativity has nothing to do with you. In fact from your interactions on this forum you are an awesome developer and great guy.
With that said, this post officially killed the hype for A17 for me. Now we know that substantial AI and by extension, bandits, are off the table for A17. The best we can hope for is Zeds to stop spinning in circles.
Granted different people work on different things and everything is prioritized, but how can gyrocopters be higher than AI on the list? was the stupid open loot container revamp more important that AI?
I would trade every single change and feature announced for A17 for AI and bandits. Except for maybe those sticky arrows that you cant pick up...i see myself getting weeks of enjoyment out of that game changing, immersion bringing, miracle.
In before I get these building block and foundation replys. All I will say that in A17 I was finally expecting a house but all we are getting is another year of foundation. The house will still be built at some point, I hope, but not in A17
SnowDog1942
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Deduction is the key here. AI is on a guys list , below gyrcopters, and hasnt been looked at after how many months of A17 development? 4, 5 ,6 ?
Think about that and tell me if AI and bandits have enough priority to be in A17
If at the very least you can get them to path better and stop them from doing the circle dance that would be great! IT would also make the game more challenging just by getting the entities to the player more efficiently.
Maybe in the short term merge the "UtilAI" and some of it's functions into the AI task/target system that is being used mostly now and unify them. At the very least it would give a touch more function to the entities.
In a variation of Occams and Hanlon's Razor I would even apply Meganoths Razor; "Never attribute to deliberate choice that which can be adequately explained by convenience and chance".
Does MM really weigh all communications, where to put them and how they are received? I don't have that impression. Twiiter is nice and convenient for dropping a small bit of information, one could say twitter was invented for exactly this. And as can be seen, 1 minute later it is distributed to the forum, so there is only a problem if someone thinks he is entitled to get special treatment.
Please fix it so the zombies dance is more pleasing to the eye. I would recommend a random selection of foxtrot, macarena (for melee zombies), tango etc..
Random horde spawns could have a group dance. But please, no Michael Jackson stuff, also medieval dances might be too "orderly".
Also nice would be war dances (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_dance), like Capoeira or a sabre dance
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DaVegaNL
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Well, perhaps discuss what its intentions are? Up to now, no mention has been made on an updated stealth system. Hence my question how one could infer that development on the stealth system is 'on track'. If showing something on a picture/video quickly equals development being on track, we would have many, many more features than what we have now.
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Okay, I update my statement. Mind-boggling, this lack of communication on the forum.
Sherlock Holmes would turn in his grave. You are using so many assumptions:
1) You assume they have ALL work ordered strictly by priority and
2) working at that list in the strict order of priority. Lots of evidence that that isn't true
3) You assume a mockup of a gyrocopter and a blimp that seem to have been created on a whim by Fataal are already serious implementation of a feature. Think ziplines if you want to have a counter example.
4) You assume that nobody else has done anything about AI before Fataal was assigned to this. Ok, this might be closer to the truth than any of your other assumptions
Note I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying you assume too much for your deduction.
Oh, and to also give an opinion: Their priorities are not your priorities. 7D2D obviously works for many people well enough, I don't have much problems with dancing zombies, it is a fun random element, it breaks immersion (so what, I don't care?), it even saved my life on occasion when I had been to careless or network delays got me in trouble. THIS IS EA, accept the problems or do something else.
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