PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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Drithyl
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The owners obviously make the game for themselves, to fulfill their vision. A game can't be developed by polling the community about each thing. I'm also not sure where this "player base mostly loves it" comes from. The ones that dislike the change are obviously more vocal.
Mrjohn1337
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Sure, but money talks. Make a poll to see what people prefer. Even if u didnt like it, you could just ignore the parts and just pick up complete weapons. Iirc there was almost no penalty to repair weps lategame.
FYI regarding more then one GPU, DX11 Crossfire works if you select Exclusive fullscreen AND Unity Selection Screen (like it did before but you had to use command line) however "AFR friendly" profiles now suffers from the good ol' seizures effect 
and "compatible AFR" ones from the stuttering effect so Crossfire atm is no longer viable for 7D2D.
and "compatible AFR" ones from the stuttering effect so Crossfire atm is no longer viable for 7D2D.
Doctor3D
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I have to agree on the gun issue. Really, it's the lack of a quality system and necessity to loot on top of that. The way things are currently- there's very little reason for me to even loot. I played a game for 49 game days and by day 35 I was already completely established without much need to loot beyond that. I got bored and started a new game. You can make practically everything you need and you're buried knee deep in guns. You can just run around and wrench all part-related things you might want on cars, signs, lights, etc scattered throughout -no real 'need' to ever step foot in a POI after you got your essentials. That part of the game is kinda gone, tbh.
The quality system gave you a reason to go and find better parts. Now, once you've found gun, clothing, tools, etc - they are all the same. . The mods do help give some incentive - but the base items are all the same.
Most of the junk you actually need to loot such as brass is just found in garbage bags or items scattered throughout that can be disassembled.
I had really hoped they were going more towards the direction where there were certain valuable items that could only be found in specific, dangerous locations. Give each location in the game a greater purpose. I would have liked them to have done things like different grades of weapons. You could find a common shotgun or common varmit rifle or small caliber pistol in many homes, sure. But then military grade weapons - (or higher quality versions of the same guns, parts, attachments or even mods) found in police stations, military bases, with more dangerous mobs within them. What happened to the rare "Legendary" items?
But a shotgun is just a shotgun in this game - none of them have any quality difference whatsoever. They are practically falling from the sky. On my first game I had an entire storage box just filled with guns, trader wouldn't buy anymore - and at that point - I just started scrapping them. Yep - scrapping weapons in a survival game...
I get it's experimental and I'm sure there's not a lot of balance in it - but even if you lower the loot% - so that you get them less frequently. It doesn't change the core problem in that there's seemingly less and less reason to loot in this game and besides durability no difference is to be found within each one you find. With the quality system, part of the drive was to improve every item you had. So you kept going out and trying to get better and better parts to get that last bit of performance out of the weapon. Again, mods do help, but it's not the same and as far as I can tell mods are found in just the same few loot container types most frequently. Not near enough variety.
I thought with the removal of zombies having loot that for sure we'd finally feel a need to have to loot more - but that's far from the case in A17. A player can quite easily survive this game rarely ever stepping foot inside a POI. Everything you need is within arms reach to become self-sustaining. At this stage, my only real motivation to even loot the POIS is just to sight see the new designs and traps..
The primary focus on this particular build of 7DTD reminds me of when I first started playing 7DTD before it became really good. When there was only a relatively tiny Navezgane and you'd find weapons ready to go in mail boxes on your first day and just start blasting zombies like in an arcade game or something. This version is closer to that early prototype in gameplay in this particualr way than any other Alpha since. There's a lot more focus on just shooting zombies over and over - which is fine - I dig doing that - but, it seems that the gameplay is too heavily focused towards doing that and not enough of the other things that put this game over the top awesome - building, crafting and survival. Those things are still fun in this game, but by the time you get there - you've already wasted so many zombies, have so much firepower and are so OP due to the perks that I don't feel the desire to do any grand builds.
The quality system gave you a reason to go and find better parts. Now, once you've found gun, clothing, tools, etc - they are all the same. . The mods do help give some incentive - but the base items are all the same.
Most of the junk you actually need to loot such as brass is just found in garbage bags or items scattered throughout that can be disassembled.
I had really hoped they were going more towards the direction where there were certain valuable items that could only be found in specific, dangerous locations. Give each location in the game a greater purpose. I would have liked them to have done things like different grades of weapons. You could find a common shotgun or common varmit rifle or small caliber pistol in many homes, sure. But then military grade weapons - (or higher quality versions of the same guns, parts, attachments or even mods) found in police stations, military bases, with more dangerous mobs within them. What happened to the rare "Legendary" items?
But a shotgun is just a shotgun in this game - none of them have any quality difference whatsoever. They are practically falling from the sky. On my first game I had an entire storage box just filled with guns, trader wouldn't buy anymore - and at that point - I just started scrapping them. Yep - scrapping weapons in a survival game...
I get it's experimental and I'm sure there's not a lot of balance in it - but even if you lower the loot% - so that you get them less frequently. It doesn't change the core problem in that there's seemingly less and less reason to loot in this game and besides durability no difference is to be found within each one you find. With the quality system, part of the drive was to improve every item you had. So you kept going out and trying to get better and better parts to get that last bit of performance out of the weapon. Again, mods do help, but it's not the same and as far as I can tell mods are found in just the same few loot container types most frequently. Not near enough variety.
I thought with the removal of zombies having loot that for sure we'd finally feel a need to have to loot more - but that's far from the case in A17. A player can quite easily survive this game rarely ever stepping foot inside a POI. Everything you need is within arms reach to become self-sustaining. At this stage, my only real motivation to even loot the POIS is just to sight see the new designs and traps..
The primary focus on this particular build of 7DTD reminds me of when I first started playing 7DTD before it became really good. When there was only a relatively tiny Navezgane and you'd find weapons ready to go in mail boxes on your first day and just start blasting zombies like in an arcade game or something. This version is closer to that early prototype in gameplay in this particualr way than any other Alpha since. There's a lot more focus on just shooting zombies over and over - which is fine - I dig doing that - but, it seems that the gameplay is too heavily focused towards doing that and not enough of the other things that put this game over the top awesome - building, crafting and survival. Those things are still fun in this game, but by the time you get there - you've already wasted so many zombies, have so much firepower and are so OP due to the perks that I don't feel the desire to do any grand builds.
Kosmic Kerman
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You are not the player base. I don’t care that gun parts are gone. I am also not the player base.
DaVegaNL
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^ This.
If one would act according to a subjective 'majority', one could end up with a substantial mess in which no-one is happy.
Look at the UK for example.
Edit; this doesn't mean that I'm not in favor of lowering the drop rate of guns. By all means, that's what's probably needed.
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Hek Harris
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Dude, it's BS, you suck (quoting myself allows me to be extremly nasty...)
Well, the 4 points were a stupid idea. TFP made a good choice and I should have trust them... However, slowing down the levelling up is pretty fine : ferals came later and this gave me some more time to be prepared. But I know it will be balanced so let's play now with the native settings.
Just one thing: players who complain that the game is too hard or too easy would be welcome to communicate their settings: Difficulty (X / 6), duration of a day, loot rate, zombie speed day and night, etc. .
Without this, we can hardly discuss their concerns...
And I take the opportunity to say that I love this alpha, that I am amazed by the work done and extremely grateful for the pleasure that is offered to me.
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JaxTeller718
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And that is the REAL quandary here isn't it. They remove loot from zombies, therefore making loot harder to obtain and then essentially remove 500 variations of every type of weapon, tool and gun part. Swiftly giving you significantly less reasons to loot out in the world.
Knee jerk reaction to "I hate gun parts"? Maybe. I would hope the ramifications of removing quality and parts were thoroughly discussed. Yet no one stepped up and said "well once you get the gun now what"?
trielkee
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Finally got around to test A17. Like the slower progression and the added difficulty. Doesn't seem harder to kill zombies like everyone is talking about, a few good power swings with the stick do the job. It's great as it is now IMO, walkers shouldn't be a real danger if you're careful enough, runners on the other hand should pose a great risk which they do without proper gear.
Have this feeling the perk system needs alot of balancing, just doesn't feel right at the moment, but I'm just at day 3 so could be wrong on that. Love the new quest system, think it could go a long way if done properly from this point on.
Can't really argue about guns since I only found a handgun and a shotgun. I do agree that finding weapon parts mostly was tedious after a while in A16 so I'm not really sad about the removal, but I also agree that the game is missing something now in regards of the weapons. Maybe they could add a small minigame for weapon reparation instead of the repair kit doing the job. Some weapons you find broken and you need to repair with a minigame to give you some sense of accomplishment or something like that.
Regarding the new AI, I noticed some snags here and there like zombies getting stuck on edges and breaking stuff rather than going around obstacles (edit: well, when I think about it, they're zombies, it's what they should do *doh*) but all in all it is a HUGE improvement and a real asset to the game. Can't wait to be surprised on horde night
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TLDR: finally 7D2D is going in the right direction, a really fantastic zombie survival game, it only needs a bit of polish here and there and a tad of balancing of the perk system. I'm really loving what I've seen so far and I'm sure I didn't see 10% of what it has to offer.
Have this feeling the perk system needs alot of balancing, just doesn't feel right at the moment, but I'm just at day 3 so could be wrong on that. Love the new quest system, think it could go a long way if done properly from this point on.
Can't really argue about guns since I only found a handgun and a shotgun. I do agree that finding weapon parts mostly was tedious after a while in A16 so I'm not really sad about the removal, but I also agree that the game is missing something now in regards of the weapons. Maybe they could add a small minigame for weapon reparation instead of the repair kit doing the job. Some weapons you find broken and you need to repair with a minigame to give you some sense of accomplishment or something like that.
Regarding the new AI, I noticed some snags here and there like zombies getting stuck on edges and breaking stuff rather than going around obstacles (edit: well, when I think about it, they're zombies, it's what they should do *doh*) but all in all it is a HUGE improvement and a real asset to the game. Can't wait to be surprised on horde night
.TLDR: finally 7D2D is going in the right direction, a really fantastic zombie survival game, it only needs a bit of polish here and there and a tad of balancing of the perk system. I'm really loving what I've seen so far and I'm sure I didn't see 10% of what it has to offer.
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FoxTheHyena
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Hello everyone, I noticed that Sprayned Leg and Infection now last only 4 minutes, the latter being somewhat crippling as it takes away most your stamina and requires you to heal with antibiotics before you can even find some for the most part...but well, this aside, I've just been wondering if this is intended, or if this is a bug?
Thank you
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Luzifer
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I Strongly disagree, with the new system of Guns you may find a quality 4-6 gun if ya lucky BUT(!) you still have to find schamtics of mods and their components to actually make that one statwise better than their lower Doubles, as the only thing tied to rarity directly- is infact durability.
Until you craft them delicious mods that gun is just gonna be like any other. And looting, buying and crafting those is a new way of minigame that replaced parts.
Before you couldve had many gunparts but no actual Gun. Now you got a gun you can immediately use Early on, but make it even better in late Game- which is a better and more satisfying feel to me and many of my friends playin
Luzifer
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Go out and loot some awesome Modifications for that awesome healthy weapon you just got yourself!
There are sooooo many variations to combine, mods out there that may alter your whole experience with your Weapon.
Now you can even have many weapons with quirks on them YOU CHOSE YOURSELF too!
NOW thats awesome, isnt it ? :OOOO
JaxTeller718
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That's great and all but we found all of that as well. We have at least 5 different gun mods to choose from, and 2 level 5 guns, as well as a box full of level 2 and 3's and this is by day 13.
If you're not finding mods and good quality guns you're not looking in the right places or just flat out haven't tried. It STILL offers way less variety than the older system, and coupled with perks the mods are ALMOST an afterthought to begin with.
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I have zero interest in guns with "quirks". This isn't Diablo. And modders have been doing silencers and extended mags for several Alphas now WITH the gun parts system intact.
Thecolours
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I wish they would have kept quality levels in. That way it would be a end game chase to find a 600 level weapon with 5 mod slots.
Kosmic Kerman
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Add a stone hoe and add/change the recipes so a cooking pot isn’t such an essential item. Having the cooking pot, grill, and iron hoe be fundamental items wasn’t a huge deal in earlier alphas when you could have a forge up and running early. Now that food is much more important there needs to be other balance changes to make this system workable for newer players. Even veterans have struggled when RNG has not been in their favor.
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