PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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Jackelmyer
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But then that kinda kills it's functional usage in Caverns right? After enough time, stuff on top just goes *pfffffffft*. Or if the air block upgrades back into a terrain block over time, caverns get filled in?
Though that idea actually would be cool in regards to digging zombies. So any digging a zombie does, turns terrain into this funny air block. After say... 24 game hours... "Top soil slumps in on the areas the zombies dug into.". What would be funny is when someone is all, "OMG! They cleared out a whole new room for my underground base!" Quickly wall it off and load it with stuff. Aaand when 24 hours is up... poof. Your stuff needs to be dug out.
Even funnier is someone trying to use that cleared space and is in mid build process suddenly has the air turn back to stone around them.
"I'll put a vase here. Oooo... Picture here...." *poof* "OMG I'M SUFFOCATING!"
Yes it could only be used for digging zombies and it is a good point about what happens if a player is in that blockspace as i guess there isnt any catch because there isnt a block without collision that gets upgraded via upgrade rate.
I would have the upgrade rate quite quick so the player couldnt or would use it.
Maybe you could create another air block type that inherits from airblock for procedural terrain built caves and caverns.
I would have the upgrade rate quite quick so the player couldnt or would use it.
Maybe you could create another air block type that inherits from airblock for procedural terrain built caves and caverns.
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Could be something as little as saying the underground air blocks can't support any player made blocks. which that tag is already in the system to differentiate between player made blocks and non player made blocks. So if you removed your player made block from the cavern sides it would crumble with no support. maybe?!?
Jackelmyer
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Still. I think I like the granite for borders in World Gen made air pockets. And if digging zombies come to pass, this funny SI stable Air Block that upgrades back to the same terrain as any currently connected block terrain block. Invoking such a function would be tricky I'd think.
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Yeah, that makes sense to me.
Huh. Yap about a topic enough and you come up with multiple options.
Thinking about it though making sure poi are not built over cave systems is the job of the generator unless that is what your trying to achieve.
Making sure player built structures are not built over caves and caverns is the job of the player we just dont have access to the tools in non debug mode and there not simple to understand as all you need is yes or no is SI being subtracted.
Can we not expand or replace on the idea i had earlier of a projected block that changes red or green.
Maybe if we place a woodframe and wait for it to calculate and it changes visually in some way if SI is being subtracted.
Making sure player built structures are not built over caves and caverns is the job of the player we just dont have access to the tools in non debug mode and there not simple to understand as all you need is yes or no is SI being subtracted.
Can we not expand or replace on the idea i had earlier of a projected block that changes red or green.
Maybe if we place a woodframe and wait for it to calculate and it changes visually in some way if SI is being subtracted.
Jackelmyer
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I do like the idea that Prefabs/POI's as a rule spawn over an entirely structurally sound area of ground. I'd be way more likely to use an existing building and later demolish it to rebuild what I want. Just because I know I don't have to worry about the ground falling through.
I dont think the ability/mechanic for blocks to inherit tags is fully realised in a way that will work for this but hopefully if it is possible it something TFP will look into because it opens other possible uses in othere areas and if they can extend it to surrounding blocks inheriting tags then i think things will get a lot more interesting if this is available config script side.
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I have not got the xml's in front of me so i didnt really think though what i suggested fully.
I forgot some terrain blocks can be upgraded already so it would me adding an extra tier that a player cannot access so it would be locked away from the player by hand item of a zombie on action 1.
The terrain block should be able to inherit a material tag so this should be persistent so upgrade again to terrain would need some helper to choose the correct block but a tag is there it just needs to select and spawn.
Upgrade time could be controlled by zombie hand item making it seem instant.
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I have not got the xml's in front of me so i didnt really think though what i suggested fully.
I forgot some terrain blocks can be upgraded already so it would me adding an extra tier that a player cannot access so it would be locked away from the player by hand item of a zombie on action 1.
The terrain block should be able to inherit a material tag so this should be persistent so upgrade again to terrain would need some helper to choose the correct block but a tag is there it just needs to select and spawn.
Upgrade time could be controlled by zombie hand item making it seem instant.
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MidnightRook
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Holy crap on a cow cake! Bag Lady Mad Mole?! This is BRILLIANT! Mind you, he should team up with an despondent Alice Cooper beating the zombies to death with their own shoes. Sorry, that is just a reference for people who are in the know lol. But I agree, handbag means LOTS more inventory AND the more stuff you have in it the more damage you do. I now want to start a petition to have MM dress up as said bag lady for Halloween. I can't believe this all came from my post. But its what happen when you mix random with brilliance, the likes of which you find here on the forums...oh yes, I forgot madness...and mom's tarts.
I still don't think its too much to ask for undies. I mean, who wants to fight the apocalypse on day 5,682,981 and realize that they are still wearing the same underwear? It's that moment you realize that smell isn't the zombies and you just need a bath. Not a bath full of boobs though..that seems...I don't know, we need a new word that combines bewilderment, paranoia and sadness.
I love this forum! Thanks all of you guys!
I still don't think its too much to ask for undies. I mean, who wants to fight the apocalypse on day 5,682,981 and realize that they are still wearing the same underwear? It's that moment you realize that smell isn't the zombies and you just need a bath. Not a bath full of boobs though..that seems...I don't know, we need a new word that combines bewilderment, paranoia and sadness.
I love this forum!
Thanks all of you guys!
Sjustus548
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Awww I hate to see that you are dropping ziplines and behemoths. I was looking forward to those but I can understand why you would drop them. Can't wait for A17 to be released.
MidnightRook
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I can't un-see this!! No no no noooo! I mean...a MOP I can understand...but SERIOUSLY!?!? A WRENCH!?!? This terrifies me beyond the capacity for rational thought.
MidnightRook
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I am already super excited about the features I am seeing for A17 so far, can't wait to find out more. I couldn't find if there were any specific reasons sited for dropping the ziplines or behemoths though.
chaosterone
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Maybe they'll add a topless Madmole character to the game wearing the aformentioned net stockings and combat boots, and a purple thong; who rides his hog through the countryside selling lingerie out of his handbag.Holy crap on a cow cake! Bag Lady Mad Mole?! This is BRILLIANT! Mind you, he should team up with an despondent Alice Cooper beating the zombies to death with their own shoes. Sorry, that is just a reference for people who are in the know lol. But I agree, handbag means LOTS more inventory AND the more stuff you have in it the more damage you do. I now want to start a petition to have MM dress up as said bag lady for Halloween. I can't believe this all came from my post. But its what happen when you mix random with brilliance, the likes of which you find here on the forums...oh yes, I forgot madness...and mom's tarts.
I still don't think its too much to ask for undies. I mean, who wants to fight the apocalypse on day 5,682,981 and realize that they are still wearing the same underwear? It's that moment you realize that smell isn't the zombies and you just need a bath. Not a bath full of boobs though..that seems...I don't know, we need a new word that combines bewilderment, paranoia and sadness.
I love this forum!
Be sure to get on his good side, you'll need his bag swinging superpowers to fight the bandits.
Jackelmyer
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Hey don't go trying to hijack my Madmole Bag lady-guy! Dibs!
MidnightRook
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Yeah, when the cats out of the bag, its hard not to run wild with it. Who wants to bet MM will pretend not to have seen this? Roland, you are quiet on the MM Bag Lady, that worries me. Jackelmyer, today, you are my hero.
Jackelmyer
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Yeah. Roland being quiet is a bit freaky lol. But I'm glad ya had a good day on the forums today. :-D
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