Dear TFP, What are you doing?

HammerDano said:
at the same time I do feel like telling console to cash in their 25% loyalty reward because the game won't be going on sale anytime soon and only giving us a month was a dick move. the game has been on sale for 30-40% off for most of the last year.
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Don't quote me on this, but I seem to remember them saying back before console release that the discount time frame was being dictated my Sony and Microsoft. There was talk about a bigger discount and trying to get discounts for those who had physical copies of the original game, but they couldn't get that approved.

As far as later sales, that is something you should always expect with games. I always expect a very low sale on release, followed by a larger sale in 6-9 months. That is why I'll rarely buy something just released. That is how it normally works.
 
InfiniteWarrior said:
Personally, I don't want to see faster development and meeting exact dates foist upon any game development studio. That's why we get lauch date dumpster fires like Cyberpunk, which the actual developers told management required at least two more years development time. In a perfect world, studios could take all the time they need and release a game or update when it's good and ready for release.
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Yeh, I hear you and the former PM/SE in me agrees. I also hear @Krougal and his comment on the realities of defense contracting. The customer in me would love to be able to do things like plan a vacation with a date in mind. (The 1.0 EXP landed when I was starting a vacation in Australia. I was in the air for streamer's weekend and couldn't really work on my modlet with my weak travel laptop.) Like you say... in a perfect world...

InfiniteWarrior said:
I think someone characterized the 2.0 update as an eleventh hour affair and honestly think that if it'd had more time in the oven, it might have been the complex, robust update most everyone appears to have been expecting...
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I hear this too. Honestly, I also have been tempted to say I sense "an eleventh hour affair." I mean, based on communications the pattern seems to be "quiet... quiet... quiet... quiet... mostly quiet.... mostly quiet... communicating... release." Those of us in the dark we try to imagine what might explain that pattern. For instance, "the entire TFP staff winters in Tahiti to relax in luxury, then returns and panics over the next version." Of course it isn't true, but I am willing to travel to Tahiti to check.

So maybe "eleventh hour communication" is accurate?

But if I try to imagine something more mundane, more plausible, based on my experiences on a development team, then I end up with something like this: They spent time working on 1.1 and 1.2 to deal with issues from 1.0. Staff need vacations. There might be another unannounced project the management has to juggle and that steals development cycles from technical staff on 7d2d. Changes to the interface Unity provides need to be evaluated and perhaps need code or offer an opportunity. Developers want time to experiment with some ideas. Major new features need discussion and maybe those discussion don't resolve quickly. There's a lead time necessary on art assets which may not be able to start until after the major new feature discussion ends. There are bugs and unintended consequences. Sometimes that send people back to the drawing board. They want some time for internal playtesting and then that leads to changes. The project manager is an optimist by two standard deviations. ... Wow, where did the time go? :)

Mind you, that's me speculating. I don't have any inside view. I do suggest trying to look at it through a very human "SNAFU" lens, preferably with beer, and have a good laugh.

In grad school my advisor did some research on project managers and schedules. He didn't get it published, but I still liked it. His data suggested that project managers who were 1 standard deviation towards being a pessimist produced the most accurate schedules. Not that they had great insight, but that level of pessimism had the best chance of matching the final delivery date. This resonated with me as having worked under project managers who were certain teams could make up for slipped schedules usually worked me really hard and still didn't make the deadline.
 
HammerDano said:
cool...my comment was for the people who say or imply the modders will fix that. Not everything will be available to console. that's life. there is a balance in there somewhere.

If you read this as lashing out in a hateful manner...I'd suggest muting me.
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I've never muted anyone on here. I didn't say you were being hateful -- just angry.
 
Riamus said:
Don't quote me on this, but I seem to remember them saying back before console release that the discount time frame was being dictated my Sony and Microsoft. There was talk about a bigger discount and trying to get discounts for those who had physical copies of the original game, but they couldn't get that approved.

As far as later sales, that is something you should always expect with games. I always expect a very low sale on release, followed by a larger sale in 6-9 months. That is why I'll rarely buy something just released. That is how it normally works.
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It would have been nice if you could have acknowledged what I said was true. they did tell us that the game would not be going on sale again for a long time.

Everything you have said about the situation involving TFP / Sony / Micro Soft may or may not be true. I don't know. My opinion on it is colored by TFP allowing speculation to run rampant about dedicated servers being held up by Sony and Micro Soft. which was not true.


ALL that said.I do respect that YOU are quick to react to posts and try to help people when they need help.
 
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HammerDano said:
It would have been nice if you could have acknowledged what I said was true. they did tell us that the game would not be going on sale again for a long time.

Everything you have said about the situation involving TFP / Sony / Micro Soft may or may not be true. I don't know. My opinion on it is colored by TFP allowing speculation to run rampant about dedicated servers being held up by Sony and Micro Soft. which was not true.


ALL that said.I do respect that YOU are quick to react to posts and try to help people when they need help.
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I don't think I ever saw where they said that, so I can't really acknowledge it as being true. I'm not saying they didn't say it. I just didn't remember seeing it. Since I don't use console for this, I had little reason to pay a lot of attention to what was said regarding console. My question about it would be who said it (dev or mod) and how they said it. Maybe it was worded in a way that meant there may not be another sale for a while, so get it now kind of thing. Maybe a mod said it who didn't know. I'm not sure, which is why I didn't comment on that part.
 
Riamus said:
I don't think I ever saw where they said that, so I can't really acknowledge it as being true. I'm not saying they didn't say it. I just didn't remember seeing it. Since I don't use console for this, I had little reason to pay a lot of attention to what was said regarding console. My question about it would be who said it (dev or mod) and how they said it. Maybe it was worded in a way that meant there may not be another sale for a while, so get it now kind of thing. Maybe a mod said it who didn't know. I'm not sure, which is why I didn't comment on that part.
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Rick said it during the prelaunch dev streams. So you would not have seen it here. People were asking about how long we would have to redeem...when it would be on sale again...if it would end up on game pass soon.
 
meganoth said:
That quote made my day. I would add it as a signature to my posts if that feature were available in the forum ;)
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Not sure why they removed it. I can still see my signature that I added when they first opened this forum, but I assume you can't see it and can't add your own since I think they disabled it shortly after.
 
BFT2020 said:
I must be special. I also see her signature and get a kick out of it every time I see it "Have you tried turning it off and back on again?" ;)

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Hmmm. I could before. But I had looked before replying and didn't see it. Maybe it is from being on my phone. Maybe the mobile version of the forum has it disabled or something. I'll check when I'm home
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Dark Sun said:
I always assumed SylenThunder was a guy? The more you know.
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It can be very hard to tell online. I admit that I often end up saying he or him for people even when I don't know if they are male. I don't think I've ever offended anyone by that, thankfully. Once in awhile I'll use they or them to avoid the issue, but that just sounds strange to me. 😀
 
Riamus said:
Hmmm. I could before. But I had looked before replying and didn't see it. Maybe it is from being on my phone. Maybe the mobile version of the forum has it disabled or something. I'll check when I'm home
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It can be very hard to tell online. I admit that I often end up saying he or him for people even when I don't know if they are male. I don't think I've ever offended anyone by that, thankfully. Once in awhile I'll use they or them to avoid the issue, but that just sounds strange to me. 😀
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I have no ill will towards her, but SylenThunder has been a bit blunt a time or two in the past that I've seen, which is behaviour you typically only see in an old man (ala Rekt, heh). I use they/them purely because it's a baked in habit (not for any political reasons), but by default I just assume everyone is a man until proven otherwise, lol. Most people on the Internet and playing these types of video games are men anyway, so I think it's understandable. (I think there was also a study done that suggests people assume that everyone they encounter online is akin to themselves? Age, weight, race, sex, etc.)
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Note: If I do assume someone is a guy though based on their mannerisms, I would refer to them as a he. I honestly might forget this conversation and continue to referring to ST as a he tbh.
 
Dark Sun said:
I have no ill will towards her, but SylenThunder has been a bit blunt a time or two in the past that I've seen, which is behaviour you typically only see in an old man (ala Rekt, heh). I use they/them purely because it's a baked in habit (not for any political reasons), but by default I just assume everyone is a man until proven otherwise, lol. Most people on the Internet and playing these types of video games are men anyway, so I think it's understandable. (I think there was also a study done that suggests people assume that everyone they encounter online is akin to themselves? Age, weight, race, sex, etc.)
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Note: If I do assume someone is a guy though based on their mannerisms, I would refer to them as a he. I honestly might forget this conversation and continue to referring to ST as a he tbh.
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Yeah, the split between make and female hangers has lessened significantly from where it used to be, but odds are still in your favor if you assume a gamer is male. And that also depends on the type of game. But it really isn't great to assume that either.

Those kinda of assumptions lead to people treating men and women differently or saying one should like one kind of thing while the other should like something else. It is like saying female gamers play casual games and male gamers play action games. The percentages may be skewed that way, but that doesn't mean people need to follow what others do.

To be clear, that isn't directed at you or anyone else. As I said, I tend to assume male as well. Hard to break habits learned over decades. 😀
 
Riamus said:
Yeah, the split between make and female hangers has lessened significantly from where it used to be, but odds are still in your favor if you assume a gamer is male. And that also depends on the type of game. But it really isn't great to assume that either.

Those kinda of assumptions lead to people treating men and women differently or saying one should like one kind of thing while the other should like something else. It is like saying female gamers play casual games and male gamers play action games. The percentages may be skewed that way, but that doesn't mean people need to follow what others do.

To be clear, that isn't directed at you or anyone else. As I said, I tend to assume male as well. Hard to break habits learned over decades. 😀
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Statistically, the last I checked, women vastly dominate the casual mobile market and that of the Switch (pick up and play, quickly set and forget), while men dominate the other consoles and especially PC. It would be akin to one group primarily consuming magazines and bathroom digest, while the other mostly consumes exclusively novels. They're all literature, but the two groups are not the same. While a lot of women are on PC, yes, most are on social media and the like, and not playing survival games (one of many genres that men grossly dominate on a platform they grossly dominate). As they say in World of Warcraft, finding a woman is like finding a unicorn. So to assume everyone is a guy? Perfectly understandable - it's not even a cultural artifact or a bad habit, it's reality.

Note: Not saying that female gamers and mobile titles are inferior. It's just still a number's game - hyperbole, 9/10 users you're going to encounter even here are men, minimum. lol

Eh, it's not a bad habit, like I said. If you bought a pack of skittles, and 90% or more of them were guaranteed to be red, and you picked one up while blindfolded, you'd be completely forgiven for assuming it is red, even if you were wrong. lol Besides, most people I've seen get offended of the pronouns nonsense are just immature Gen Zer's who'd assume you're racist because you like your coffee black. Don't pay them any attention. :) I think in general, there's a lack of the mentality of assuming no ill intent when a mistake or generalization is made.
 
Riamus said:
Hard to break habits learned over decades.
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Imo, not even worth breaking; or even worse, breaking it just causes unnecessary strife, walking on eggshells all the time. The "unknown human" is male, "mankind" contains all the females; it's the default. The exception is a honorific. And as long as it's pixels on a screen both ways, what difference would it make anyway? Ain't trying to procreate across a piece of plastic.
 
theFlu said:
Imo, not even worth breaking; or even worse, breaking it just causes unnecessary strife, walking on eggshells all the time. The "unknown human" is male, "mankind" contains all the females; it's the default. The exception is a honorific. And as long as it's pixels on a screen both ways, what difference would it make anyway? Ain't trying to procreate across a piece of plastic.
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Agreed. It is a man's world after all. Men are the biological default, that's just basic biology. Whenever I hear "peoplekind" it makes me squirm.
 
Yeah. I definitely didn't walk on eggshells about stuff. I was against political correctness when it first because "the thing" in the early 90s. It just leads to people taking offense over anything. Oh, no! I told a blonde joke! The horror! 😁

Still, I choose to be respectful towards others and don't go out of my way to say what I think if there isn't a reason to do so.
 
Riamus said:
Yeah. I definitely didn't walk on eggshells about stuff. I was against political correctness when it first because "the thing" in the early 90s. It just leads to people taking offense over anything. Oh, no! I told a blonde joke! The horror! 😁
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Mmhmm. Many people confuse me for a mild leftist in other spaces (somehow?), personally I'm a neutralist. Try to keep everyone happy, while not falling into extremist opinions. Political correctness, cancel culture, DEI... it can all go the way of the dodo, lol.

Of course, yeah. Just saying that assuming the default is white and male is no problem at all; in fact, it's just correct biology. :) You're all good, I'm all good, we're all good.
 
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