I`m sorry, but my smart bulb in the toilet is at laugh around your arguments, are you really trying to convince the devs to lower the amount of quests to 50%, in the POIs that are made to be for quests ?
No, you haven't. You've have stated that you haven't.
This is something you "don't want", but it isn't a comment on _if it would work_. You haven't stated that, and apparently won't? I'll assume this is just to protect Granny's ego, somehow.
Shure; that SLA is really going to improve the local PCs that are hosting the servers. Not everything can be exported to Amazon for infinite scaling, that will work in plenty of business environments, but rarely with a localhost...
Look outside your start-up bubble scene, and figure out how games and their engines are actually being used.
I'm not sure why we can't come together and get TFP attention on the matter of network congestion to help ensure that the game runs at its top best performance that it's intended to with the POIs currently in place.
Yes, yes I have. I stated I didn't want the POIs removed. ... The guy talking about how games function legit thinks people are largely hosting on local machines, when in reality, many of these servers with large populations are being ran by a hosting service.
Cute. I said exactly that, which isn't what I was asking. Thanks for keeping up the defensive dodgery for Granny's ego.
Many, not all. And importantly, the game is designed to be hosted by a player and played by a small group. "Large servers" are not even a supported feature.
lol alright guy. Clearly this is about [something other] than [helping] resolve an issue so that we can all enjoy the game.
100% i believe 3.0 TFP want to add bandits,
Server Management:
Gameplay Balance:
World Exploration:
Difficulty & Pacing:
basically reducing questable prefabs makes 7d2d feel less like a quest grind and more like a survival sandbox, slowing down progression while emphasizing world exploration while improving performance and balance.100% i believe 3.0 TFP want to add bandits,
You know as well as i do 7d2d runs off single core processing and reachs bottlenecks on a regular basis as it is coded in the current state.
You also know as well as i do TFP have stated recently they have already optomized the game to a point of less returns now.
I don't just think its a matter of me convincing anybody,
What i believe is the game has come to a point now that alternative measures are needed to be taken to improve performance.
Reducing the amount of questable prefabs has many major benefits that i already stated...... in case you missed what i had suggested...
Performance Benefits:
Performance – fewer questable POIs can reduce trader quest generation load and prevent issues where quest markers fail to assign properly.
Easier maintenance - Fewer locations to monitor for issues or reset problems
Reduced world complexity - Simpler quest distribution across the map
Lower storage requirements - Less save data related to quest prefab states
Reduced server load - Fewer quest-related calculations and tracking means less CPU usage
Lower memory consumption - Less data to store about quest states, completion status, and prefab conditions
Improved network performance - Less quest-related data being synchronized between server and clients
Servers – Limiting quest POIs encourages more organic base raiding, scavenging, and player-driven exploration instead of grinding trader missions.
Smoother gameplay - would reduce stuttering and frame drops especially in scenarios with multiple players running quests simultaneously
Faster world loading times - Less complex quest tracking data to load when players join
Increased competition - On populated servers, players may compete more heavily for the same quest locations
Faster quest cycling - The same prefabs will reset and become available for new quests more quickly
Less Repetition of Easy POIs – The game tends to recycle smaller/easier prefabs (like houses and shops) for quests. Reducing questable prefabs forces the pool to skew toward larger, more challenging locations, making quests feel less grindy.
Slows Power-Leveling – Quests are one of the fastest ways to level up and earn dukes. Fewer quest options means players can’t spam Tier 1/2 quests for easy XP and loot as efficiently.
Encourages Free Exploration – With fewer quest POIs, you’ll have to explore more of the map organically instead of just running trader quests over and over.
Many unique prefabs (mansions, skyscrapers, specialty builds) don’t show up as quests often. Removing half the questable pool ensures some locations remain special for exploration rather than just another "fetch satchel" run.
Harder Quest Chains – Since quest pool shrinks, traders will cycle through fewer POIs. If you weight it toward harder/larger POIs, players face tougher fights earlier.
Slower Resource Gain – Players won’t farm endless quest rewards, which balances progression in multiplayer or longer survival runs.
Wow. Just... wow. That's a lot of nonsense right there.Reducing the amount of questable prefabs like i proposed simply would have many positive effects including:
for both pve and pvp servers
Performance Benefits:
Performance – In large modpacks or custom servers, fewer questable POIs can reduce trader quest generation load and prevent issues where quest markers fail to assign properly.
Easier maintenance - Fewer locations to monitor for issues or reset problems
Reduced world complexity - Simpler quest distribution across the map
Lower storage requirements - Less save data related to quest prefab states
Reduced server load - Fewer quest-related calculations and tracking means less CPU usage
Lower memory consumption - Less data to store about quest states, completion status, and prefab conditions
Improved network performance - Less quest-related data being synchronized between server and clients
Servers – Limiting quest POIs encourages more organic base raiding, scavenging, and player-driven exploration instead of grinding trader missions.
Smoother gameplay - would reduce stuttering and frame drops especially in scenarios with multiple players running quests simultaneously
Faster world loading times - Less complex quest tracking data to load when players join
Increased competition - On populated servers, players may compete more heavily for the same quest locations
Faster quest cycling - The same prefabs will reset and become available for new quests more quickly
Less Repetition of Easy POIs – The game tends to recycle smaller/easier prefabs (like houses and shops) for quests. Reducing questable prefabs forces the pool to skew toward larger, more challenging locations, making quests feel less grindy.
Slows Power-Leveling – Quests are one of the fastest ways to level up and earn dukes. Fewer quest options means players can’t spam Tier 1/2 quests for easy XP and loot as efficiently.
Encourages Free Exploration – With fewer quest POIs, you’ll have to explore more of the map organically instead of just running trader quests over and over.
Many unique prefabs (mansions, skyscrapers, specialty builds) don’t show up as quests often. Removing half the questable pool ensures some locations remain special for exploration rather than just another "fetch satchel" run.
Harder Quest Chains – Since quest pool shrinks, traders will cycle through fewer POIs. If you weight it toward harder/larger POIs, players face tougher fights earlier.
Slower Resource Gain – Players won’t farm endless quest rewards, which balances progression in multiplayer or longer survival runs.
note if TFP are serious about adding bandits and if they are also serious about having already optimized the game, than they better start looking at such requests like this or bandits will never get put in. The way the game is coded now it simply can not handle adding more entitys that bandits would add.
If you are really talking about how it’s intended to, then that’s easy. Limit your server to 8 players max and the network congestion will diminish significantly. The game isn’t designed for large populations and TFP isn’t going to spend time improving network performance for server populations they don’t support.
100% wrong, from a1 to a16 (years) the game had no prefab quest at all and thrived in a better state than it does now.
And was it scalable onto an amazon cloud? No. You're talking about a completely different thing again. You can't follow a train of thought longer than one step, before you grab onto an unrelated thing; but I'll give it yet another go:
unreal, looks like HyperionSF was right about you afterall,
The load associated with "quest generation" is due to clicking the "Start quest" -marker, and the reloading of that chunk. Even if you reduce the amount of POIs to one per player, but allow everyone to quest at their leisure, this will not reduce the number of reset events. The players will quest as much as before, causing just as many resets as before.
This implies your maintenance routine depends on the quest target list length; I can't imagine questable POIs bugging out on their own; but due to to player interactions and buggy code. Primarily, find the bugs and fix those; and you still haven't suggested how to reduce player interactions.
You've asked to cut them in half; but not specified any logic to it. Randomly dropping the amount by half does nothing to the distribution, just that there's less of the same tier POIs next to one another. Propose a logic if you're looking for that type of change. And I don't see any benefit to that either; maybe similar tier players would meet randomly more often if you had dedicated Tier N -towns, but you haven't told us why this would be an improvement.
Same amount of quests will be generated by players, and the metadata about the quests is tiny. You might get a little fewer region files modified if you changed more of the POIs to remnants, as people might more likely drive past them. But storing the regions isn't an issue, and you'll always have them loaded depending on your players; the actively loaded chunks, not the amount that have been changed. Changes essentially nothing.
Fewer calculations of what; you still have failed to describe this. If it follows the logic from above, no.
As above, effect is insignificant to none.
Again, same number of resets would be happening, same amount of strain generated.
Maybe, but you haven't explained how. What do you want changed to actually encourage this? Cutting down the number of quest targets does not achieve this.
Performance – fewer questable POIs will reduce trader quest generation load and prevent issues where quest markers fail to assign properly. Wrong. People will still quest just as often and there will be just as many quests and resets of POI. There will just be fewer different POI being reset, but that doesn't in any way reduce "quest generation load" or any issues with quest markers.
If your still not understanding it than...