PC Cry from the heart

Negative feedback about a streaming event is useful for potential customers of a video game? I seriously doubt it.

Thanks for the recommendation but I’m going to keep telling it like it is and that is that the subset of people who dislike streaming and hate the culture of it is shrinking. The much larger group which also includes the developers (one of whom is an active streamer himself) is fully on board and growing.

If someone from your camp feels discouraged about trying to convince TFP to stop the pre-release streaming event that is natural and shows discernment for the way the tide is going. They also won’t get flecks of urine on their pants any longer.

As for my cause, it is not to convince YOU. It is to provide a rational counterpoint to the points brought up by the haters. In that endeavor I think I’ll have more success than you will at trying to get TFP to change their minds. It is also to give an insider look at TFP. While you deal in speculation and predictions all based on your own envy, my post was a factual account of what was going on in the TFP offices yesterday.

You and I see the exact same event. How we feel about it comes entirely from within whether that is anger, offense, bitterness, and envy OR happiness, fun, excitement, and laughter. The FUN Pimps are choosing the latter.

 
You, too. The provided feedback is still useful for potential customers btw. I recommend ceasing attempts to suppress negative feedback by discouragement.
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It has been stated that whiners complaining that they don’t get something when they want it (or at the same time as a select group) will not change when they get the game. Saving a few hurt feelings by ceasing the streaming weekend is a small price to pay (if it is a price at all).

You do understand that the business calculus always is risk/reward, and there is little risk with this choice but much reward.

 
BTW, seeding products and services in advance of release is a common thing...not just in the video game industry. But everywhere. It has been going on for a long time and will continue for long after that.

 
Negative feedback about a streaming event is useful for potential customers of a video game? I seriously doubt it.
Thanks for the recommendation but I’m going to keep telling it like it is and that is that the subset of people who dislike streaming and hate the culture of it is shrinking. The much larger group which also includes the developers (one of whom is an active streamer himself) is fully on board and growing.

If someone from your camp feels discouraged about trying to convince TFP to stop the pre-release streaming event that is natural and shows discernment for the way the tide is going. They also won’t get flecks of urine on their pants any longer.

As for my cause, it is not to convince YOU. It is to provide a rational counterpoint to the points brought up by the haters. In that endeavor I think I’ll have more success than you will at trying to get TFP to change their minds. It is also to give an insider look at TFP. While you deal in speculation and predictions all based on your own envy, my post was a factual account of what was going on in the TFP offices yesterday.

You and I see the exact same event. How we feel about it comes entirely from within whether that is anger, offense, bitterness, and envy OR happiness, fun, excitement, and laughter. The FUN Pimps are choosing the latter.
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I don't see any speculation or predictions from my side, nor is my point of view based on envy (envy of what, actually?). In worst case you could interpret my comment as vicious allegation (no speculation or even prediction). The purpose of my posts is not "to get TFP to change their minds" and I have no intention yet of doing so at any time in the future. Hence, it is not hard to have more success with this.

There's no 'camp' I feel I belong to btw. Where do you get this idea from? Have tried to write my first post in the thread as neutral and unemotional as possible (the jokes about madmole's claim and the research team aside) and without making any assumptions. It was mainly supposed to be a summary of the current situation attempting to condense the problem to one simple statement, which was 'Streaming weekend means possible advantages for all through the preferential treatment of individuals'.

It's as if you've either been too lazy to formulate a nuanced answer, or as if you haven't read what I've written at all and then decided to indulge in straw man arguments for the sake of convenience. That's the only explanation I have.

 
Try this :

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Close your eyes, open them : yeah, it's monday 12 PM ! Have fun.

 
I don't see any speculation or predictions from my side, nor is my point of view based on envy (envy of what, actually?). In worst case you could interpret my comment as vicious allegation (no speculation or even prediction). The purpose of my posts is not "to get TFP to change their minds" and I have no intention yet of doing so at any time in the future. Hence, it is not hard to have more success with this.
There's no 'camp' I feel I belong to btw. Where do you get this idea from? Have tried to write my first post in the thread as neutral and unemotional as possible (the jokes about madmole's claim and the research team aside) and without making any assumptions. It was mainly supposed to be a summary of the current situation attempting to condense the problem to one simple statement, which was 'Streaming weekend means possible advantages for all through the preferential treatment of individuals'.

It's as if you've either been too lazy to formulate a nuanced answer, or as if you haven't read what I've written at all and then decided to indulge in straw man arguments for the sake of convenience. That's the only explanation I have.
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Well, my first post was just a general response to anti streaming event posts. That’s why I didn’t quote anyone in particular. My second post was in response to you saying that I shouldn’t post discouraging arguments in a public discussion forum. If you want a nuanced response to your first post I’ll quote it for you and respond but keep your finger ready to press the negative rep button again... ;)

 
This! Plus Alpha 18 waits for noone or no feature and its release date is in the first half of 2019. :tongue-new: But seriously, let's have a look at the facts or more precisely, what I think they are:
1. Due to your action not only the streamers but also an unknown and fairly random subset of the community will obtain access to the new alpha before others.
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This is true. We allow the streamers to include others in their streams. Shadow fox had company last night and she LANed them in on her stream. She even put a camera on them too. I have no argument with this statement.

2. The players who do not receive a beta key are at a disadvantage compared to those who do. Assuming your statement is correct (not happening on a Friday), they are not at a disadvantage compared to their fictive selves living in a world without streamer weekend.
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By “disadvantage” you mean simply that they can’t access the closed beta whereas others can? I agree with this as long as you are limiting their disadvantage purely to access to a closed beta although I think it’s probably too strong a word for the situation. In addition, the opportunity to apply is open and fair to all who have the desire to meet the requirements. We accepted every single applicant who applied.

3. The streamer weekend could offer advantages for all (it draws attention to the game etc.).

To me that looks like an 'advantages for all through the preferential treatment of individuals' kind of situation or at least it could be. There's a lot possible (long-term) side-effects and stuff that can't be measured. I suggest to hire a research team to investigate the implications of your marketing tool.
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I’ve seen situations in which the majority of the community reacted so badly to marketing decisions that the company had to backpedal. This is nothing like that. The reaction is most definitely mostly positive. Im sure that if the popularity and growth of streaming ever falls to a level where there is a question regarding the value of the streamer weekend then they probably should hire an analyst if they haven’t already done so. But it’s a no brainer right now based on the results of the last three times.

 
...To me that looks like an 'advantages for all through the preferential treatment of individuals' kind of situation or at least it could be. There's a lot possible (long-term) side-effects and stuff that can't be measured. I suggest to hire a research team to investigate the implications of your marketing tool.
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No need.

This was done a year ago, and look where we are. The player base has increased. Average number of people playing the game over similar consecutive periods has increased, or stayed the same. The event overall did not have a large enough negative impact, if any, to dissuade doing it again. The numbers show it was a great success.

 
@Roland

I am sorry. It looked like you were referring to me. Still thinking you shouldn't call your customers 'haters' (aside from other unnecessary things in your comment).

By “disadvantage” you mean simply that they can’t access the closed beta whereas others can?
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That's what I wrote.

No need.
This was done a year ago, and look where we are. The player base has increased. Average number of people playing the game over similar consecutive periods has increased, or stayed the same. The event overall did not have a large enough negative impact, if any, to dissuade doing it again. The numbers show it was a great success.
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Sorry but your first statement is just not true. Average number of people playing the game over similar consecutive periods has significantly decreased since A17 release even though the number of people owning the game has increased. Well at least it's significant in the first 6 Months. The surface area of the A16 curve is greater than that of the A17 area. That can be measured considering the sections above the blue box which have the same lengths. Just have a look at the surface area under the curves and at the thin red line:

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Ok I admit that's probably unrelated to the streamer weekend.^^ Parts of the community just don't like some of the stuff introduced in A17.

 
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now I've seen enough streamers and understand that all the interest and excitement for the new alpha is completely gone. Thank you very much developers. You fundamentally kill all the desire to play the game after the update, at least for me. Have a nice day and a good game.

 
Didn't you expect the A18 streams to contain spoilers?
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Of course I expected, could not do anything with myself, my curiosity took up.

I just still can’t understand why this is necessary and why someone gets access earlier than others. There is talk about the media and the fact that they are the first to gain access to the content. But they get this content when others haven’t purchased it yet, in this case I’ve already purchased everything and I really don’t like that someone gets the content before. THIS IS UNFAIR

 
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I watch streamers play, not myself. it's sad, I really hope that the developers will hear me. I'm not angry when there are bugs in the game, the more it's alpha. it burns when I watch others play and I can’t. and all because the developers decided to deliver content with priority to those who can promote them. Although everyone purchased the game under the same conditions.

 
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Personally, I don't mind streamer exclusive/closed alpha/whatever. The only thing, that hurts me a bit, is that they get it over the weekend. Heck, I wouldn't mind a stream exclusive for 5 days from monday till friday, as long as the experimental branch would be released to public on weekend. Because now I won't see the A18 till friday... or I will have to skip few days at work ^.^ .

Any thoughts if that kind of change would be plausible for future alphas?

 
now I've seen enough streamers and understand that all the interest and excitement for the new alpha is completely gone. Thank you very much developers. You fundamentally kill all the desire to play the game after the update, at least for me. Have a nice day and a good game.
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See you on Monday :smile-new:

 
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