PC Cry from the heart

Today is the first day I heard about a Monday release, I am always the last guy to know whats going on, possibly for a good reason?

 
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Don't worry, when you grow up, it will make sense. Right now it hurts because you don't understand how the world of adults in game dev works.

 
I actually think the streamers are bad for the game. I've watched 3 streams for about 10 to 15 minutes each now and they are so bad they make Joel look like an e-gaming pro (luv ya Joel). You can even tell they haven't bothered to read the patch notes; and the chat comments suggest others are just as frustrated - at times almost screaming at them in frustration how to play or explain / correct what was changed this update lol.
It's cringe-worthy to watch and I honestly can't see how they can be building hype given most of them are exposing the horrible start to the game we all have to push through when re-starting. TFP could at least suggest they cheat mode their way to level 30, start a base, and get into the action with a handgun and some ammo. 7D2D is a great (but not flawless) game and people should see how awesome the game is after the first 5 to say 10 hours because it's not like most games where they throw you into the action; it's a slow burn and each Alpha for me has been over 100 hours gameplay, but the start is always dreaded.

I have no issues not playing the game until it's released, just fail to see how these streamers are doing anything positive for the game because if I stumbled across the streams I've watch thus far, I wouldn't have an urge to buy the game.
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It's okay. There is a huge demographic that you aren't a member of that feels the opposite of you and absolutely loves to watch streams for all the reasons that make you cringe. Most likely the people typing suggestions weren't doing it out of frustration-- they were feeling like they were a part of the game and the decisions being made. People love telling the streamer what to do and how to do it better.

Like I said, they aren't you. :)

And many get the game because it makes them feel closer to the streamer more than any real desire to play. Creepy right?

 
The world of Game Devs is usually - "It will be released when its ready", of course this was before early access, not to add to or from any point of view but that was usually what you would see when a new game was in development. Usually after 100 posts of "when will it be released" or "when is the release date" you will read: "It will be released when its ready".

I almost miss those days, waiting on Call of Cthulhu Dark Corners of the Earth and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. was an anticipation I enjoyed. Everybody was furious that Call of Cthulhu Dark Corners of the Earth was coming out on the Xbox first, which made sense to me but there is nothing you could do about it. Demos were enjoyable too, you could find them on a Magazine CD or downloadable, like a free game to fool around with.

All in all no matter what is said he will still have to wait anyway so it is not necessary to scold him just because he does not get it.

 
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its ok let them pretend streamer weekend "helps" them in any sort of way if it makes them feel cool :)

twitch boycott is in full swing, no one who matters will be on there anyway ;)

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people learn about streamers from games, not vice versa.. try to remember that.

 
people learn about streamers from games, not vice versa.. try to remember that.
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I disagree. I have found several games, including 7DtD via video playlists I've subscribed to for a different game (Space Engineers, primarily in this case).

 
its ok let them pretend streamer weekend "helps" them in any sort of way if it makes them feel cool :)
twitch boycott is in full swing, no one who matters will be on there anyway ;)

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people learn about streamers from games, not vice versa.. try to remember that.
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I been watching a few of them for a long time even before they started this. But one of many examples from today. Seen several people watching today that didn't know anything about the game just off one stream. Plus TFP gave them game keys to do giveaways with. Plus the update isn't going to go public until Monday regardless. So try to remember that. ;)

 
I been watching a few of them for a long time even before they started this. But one of many examples from today. Seen several people watching today that didn't know anything about the game just off one stream. Plus TFP gave them game keys to do giveaways with. Plus the update isn't going to go public until Monday regardless. So try to remember that. ;)
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Okay, but were that game keys or A18 access keys? I'm pretty sure the first, so that streamers attract more people.

 
I don't mind waiting, honestly. I only play solo or with my son (we first saw the game together on console and he's now 7). We play on PC now and have been fairly enamored with the updates and mods to play in the interim. I don't necesarily understand the 'streamers access' but I can deal. I just see a bunch of people eager to play the updated version of a game they paid for - only to see an alpha-beta-wtf pissing contest over who gets to see what first. Streamers are probably going to put a good amount of time into the game, might see some bugs that others will overlook; I'm sure of it. All I'd consider is the amount of bugs being reported by devoted and damn-near niche fans, that will complain until the 'product' is workable.

Either way, I am looking forward to what is on the horizon. If anything, we got tired of playing the same console version over and over - hopefully it won't happen on PC.

 
I more often than not think of the streamer weekend as an opportunity to get more players to play the game, showcase quality content, but also find bugs that can be in a last minute update before EX hits the general public.

Why tear your panties over something that you can't possibly change (like playing earlier)? If you want to play earlier, then simply make a YT or Twitch account, gather enough subs and post before the next big update comes up.

 
people learn about streamers from games, not vice versa.. try to remember that.
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Lol. How would I learn about Kage by booting up 7dtd? On the other hand, I definitely learned about Human Fall Flat from watching Neebs Gaming (and bought four copies for me and my friends).

The logic y’all use to justify yourselves is hilarious.

 
Marketing - Free advertisment.

If it benefits the Game selling more copys - I am all for it. I can wait a couple days more. :-)

 
There will be no public release on a Friday.
Not happening.

Whether the streamers get their promo version earlier... or not... has no effect on a release Not Happening on a Friday.
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This! Plus Alpha 18 waits for noone or no feature and its release date is in the first half of 2019. :tongue-new: But seriously, let's have a look at the facts or more precisely, what I think they are:

1. Due to your action not only the streamers but also an unknown and fairly random subset of the community will obtain access to the new alpha before others.

We're talking the 6th. Half the internet will have it by then anyway because streamers leak codes.
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Q: What if I usually stream with a partner? Can my partner get access as well?A: Yes. We will allow qualifying streamers to include anyone they wish to join them in their stream. We want teams to be able to stream together and even want to allow channels to hold contests if they desire to let one or more of their viewers to join in. All those who receive access only have permission to have their gameplay shown on the qualifying streamer's channel. They cannot go and stream it themselves on their own channel.
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2. The players who do not receive a beta key are at a disadvantage compared to those who do. Assuming your statement is correct (not happening on a Friday), they are not at a disadvantage compared to their fictive selves living in a world without streamer weekend.

3. The streamer weekend could offer advantages for all (it draws attention to the game etc.).

To me that looks like an 'advantages for all through the preferential treatment of individuals' kind of situation or at least it could be. There's a lot possible (long-term) side-effects and stuff that can't be measured. I suggest to hire a research team to investigate the implications of your marketing tool.

 
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million dollar question is will SALES, not views, soar? yet to be determined.

Afterall isn't that why they insist on streamer weekend?

Not like I will download A18 within the first week. I simply DGAF about releases that fail to get fixed, and still have not "mastered" how to update without breaking current game saves, thus forced to be wiped and start fresh.

 
On a French forum, some guys were complaining because they were going to play on Tuesday and not Monday because of the time difference. Not one to realize that in reality they would have the alpha 18 at the same time as everyone... Sometimes I wonder what would really be the life expectancy of a player in a real apocalypse.

 
On a French forum, some guys were complaining because they were going to play on Tuesday and not Monday because of the time difference. Not one to realize that in reality they would have the alpha 18 at the same time as everyone... Sometimes I wonder what would really be the life expectancy of a player in a real apocalypse.
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Yeah I'm waiting for the inevitable posts on Monday at 12:01 am about how TFP's lied and it's not released.

 
You guys are fighting a lost cause. There is zero chance of this not continuing for future alphas and future games. Even if they found that the turnaround into actual sales was negligible they would still do it.

The owners watched different streams yesterday and absolutely loved being able to see the reactions and the gameplay whether that gameplay was good or bad. They discussed the things they viewed for hours and visited different streams to chat with viewers and answer questions.

I was there to see some of that and the interactions were all positive and everyone in the chat surely left feeling better about TFP.

When they release to the public they don’t have the leisure to watch streams and chat. They are fixing bugs and working to get the next hot fix patch out.

The decision makers at TFP are definitely hooked on this release model that has been done three times now and is sure to continue forever.

But, please, continue pissing into the wind.

 
You guys are fighting a lost cause.
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You, too. The provided feedback is still useful for potential customers btw. I recommend ceasing attempts to suppress negative feedback by discouragement.

 
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