PC B221 gated steel is ridiculous and unnecessary
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I b208, you could make a crucible with NO perk. If you found a trader with a forge and workbench, and you farmed up the stone, dirt, mechanical parts, and forged the iron, you could make a crucible day....well, probably no earlier than day 2, considering the time required to get 1200 dirt, 800 stone, and then wait ~15 minutes for the crucible itself.
I made a crucible several times in at least 3 different B208 games well before the steel perk (and before workbench in some of them). It allowed me to repair weapons and tools i bought, found, or earned.
In B221, crucible (i tested carefully in new games) and forged steel itself (I heard from a few different sources, though it irrelevant, since you need the crucible anyways) are BOTH gated behind rank 3 of hammer and forge.
I tested and made absolutely sure of what I was talking about before i posted. If you're going to call someone out, you could at least do that much yourself.
Severalboxes
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I think point spending on perks should be character attributes and customization like stamina, health, dps, etc. I really like that aspect.
But being able to build certain things should just be level gated, you hit a certain level and then you're able to do it, not level and point gated.
I like spending time deciding how to change my character, not trying to figure out what the heck to unlock just to build something.
But being able to build certain things should just be level gated, you hit a certain level and then you're able to do it, not level and point gated.
I like spending time deciding how to change my character, not trying to figure out what the heck to unlock just to build something.
Poojam
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I'll tell you what I've been told on about 20 different topics for the last month.
Mod it like you like
Git gud
You're playing it wrong
Go play something else
It's alpha
It's experimental and unbalanced
TFP aren't looking for feedback at this point, maybe when stable releases they will look at it again
Viktoriusiii
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I feel your pain brother!
If you disagree with something, you are just a hater (or one of the other points you mentioned) if you ON THE OTHER HAND say "oh yeah thats great!", you will be taken as an example for the next 100 posts claiming it is bad. "see? you are just stupid most ppl like him like the changes"
You can't win with these people. So just ignore them.
Give your feedback anyways and laugh at those who think those things are actual arguments rather than cheaply waving off a legitamate issue.
Viktoriusiii
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if you are refering to me/skillgating, please know that I am actually PRO gating steel. (even if not behind levels), because it should be endgame
don't throw everyone together
Look I'm fine with having the gate or not, making it affect forged steel or not.
The point of this thread is that TFP need to resolve the disconnect between the hard gate of 60 for steel, and the several recipes using significant steel amounts BEFORE 60.
That is all.
How they do that is up to them, but right now their content conflicts with each other
The point of this thread is that TFP need to resolve the disconnect between the hard gate of 60 for steel, and the several recipes using significant steel amounts BEFORE 60.
That is all.
How they do that is up to them, but right now their content conflicts with each other
SenpaiThatIngnoresYou
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Do the traders sell crucibles? If so then that is a good work around. I know i have seen tap and die sets there. The questing system has not only made level gating bearable, but given me access to things FASTER then i normally get them. Every time i do a quest, i buy concrete and rebar, not mods. so come horde night i don't set traps but kill the zombies when they attack my place.
I will keep an eye out for crucibles at the trader now. I will also be looking into the working stiff boxes, because those also can have the crucibles too.
I will keep an eye out for crucibles at the trader now. I will also be looking into the working stiff boxes, because those also can have the crucibles too.
I had 80-something steel before day 30 from wrenching and buying in 208 (didn't even know it wasn't still gated like A16). I don't know why you think finding 36 steel by level 60 is a hard task. I wasn't even making it a priority when buying, just whenever there was some extra money and nothing else I wanted.
It's a common gating technique to have materials start out rare or hard to get, then become sufficient, then become infinite. You're "good game design" drops you all the resources you could ever want as soon as you unlock anything that needs them, negating any meaningful choice on where to spend a limited supply.
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JCrook1028
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Even if the trader sold you a crucible you could not use it to make steel without the perk for steel.
Being how many recipes were plain broken in earlier builds I highly doubt it was ever intended that we could make the crucible without steel perk.
I've got mixed feelings about the motorcycle perk, it is a bummer to get a perk and then realize you still can't use it, but then you can't craft other parts it needs at that level either. It's a given for most of us that we have to scavenge mechanical parts to build anything that needs them (since that was always gated well past everything, it was a convenience)
Probably because the 2 of you were making non-stop threads of massive negativity and acting like the sky was falling. Then you get into pedantic arguments with Roland and Gazz where you hang on every word. Presentation has a lot to do with it.
The "not looking for feedback at this point" was on a specific thing (cause I'm pretty sure I remember the thread where Gazz said it), which made sense at this time, but you guys are making it into a blanket statement, which it isn't.
This is just my observations, not "white-knighting" by any means, y'all can take it as a tip to how to get better responses or tell me to piss off, I really don't give a ♥♥♥♥.
I feel like when I give feedback it actually gets considered. Do I expect them to implement everything I ask for? No.
Certain things are core to their vision of the game and no matter how much we female dog about it, they aren't going away. I think they still go pretty far out of their way to allow us to play the game the way we want too. All the option sliders. Super easy modding for what isn't. Name me 1 other game that does all that.