Antropic ai

ilexev said:
Well, some people on this forum have opened my eyes, which is why I only talk about optimization and, in some cases as previously mentioned, very time-consuming and complex tasks.
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I understand, but why do you think coding is an "art form"? I don't code, but as far as I know, coding is many things, and I respect those who do it, but I can't see how, of all things, it could be an art form. Wouldn't it be more like engineering than art? :unsure:
 
Jost Amman said:
I understand, but why do you think coding is an "art form"? I don't code, but as far as I know, coding is many things, and I respect those who do it, but I can't see how, of all things, it could be an art form. Wouldn't it be more like engineering than art? :unsure:
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Any work can be considered bad, good, or perfect depending on one's perspective. Coding a game requires optimization, refining the code, lighting, physics, and rendering; it might be a bit philosophical.
 
Jost Amman said:
I understand, but why do you think coding is an "art form"? I don't code, but as far as I know, coding is many things, and I respect those who do it, but I can't see how, of all things, it could be an art form. Wouldn't it be more like engineering than art? :unsure:
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I would say that is *can* be an art form. An art form can be anything that uses creativity to create. Now, obviously that is a loose definition of it and most people would probably consider it to be one of the more widely recognized types of artistic expression - art, song, writing, video, etc. But it can refer to anything that requires creativity. And although not all programming would (in my opinion) fit even loosely into that definition, some will. After all, part of programming includes writing (e.g. dialogs), art (some art is programmed rather than drawn), sound (some sound is programmed rather than played), visual design (e.g. UI), etc. Not to mention that programming in and of itself can be a form of artistic expression, depending on what kind of programming you're doing. If you're just writing something that does math, I wouldn't consider it an art form. But if you're programming something that is designed to be interesting or do something unique or something like that, it could potentially be called an art form.

So, yes, it could be considered an art form. However, it depends on what kind of programming it is and how strict an individual wants to be in defining an art form.

I'd also say that engineering can also sometimes be an art form. Couldn't the engineering of something like the Sydney Opera House be considered an art form? Now, that's only one kind of engineering, but you can find examples in other types of engineering as well. It certainly isn't all engineering, but there are times when it can be an art form.
 
Riamus said:
I would say that is *can* be an art form. An art form can be anything that uses creativity to create. Now, obviously that is a loose definition of it and most people would probably consider it to be one of the more widely recognized types of artistic expression - art, song, writing, video, etc. But it can refer to anything that requires creativity. And although not all programming would (in my opinion) fit even loosely into that definition, some will. After all, part of programming includes writing (e.g. dialogs), art (some art is programmed rather than drawn), sound (some sound is programmed rather than played), visual design (e.g. UI), etc. Not to mention that programming in and of itself can be a form of artistic expression, depending on what kind of programming you're doing. If you're just writing something that does math, I wouldn't consider it an art form. But if you're programming something that is designed to be interesting or do something unique or something like that, it could potentially be called an art form.

So, yes, it could be considered an art form. However, it depends on what kind of programming it is and how strict an individual wants to be in defining an art form.
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Mathematics is sometimes described as beautiful
 
ilexev said:
Mathematics is sometimes described as beautiful
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I said programming something that does math. That is not the same thing. And math is usually only referred to that way when you are looking at a particularly unique or complex equation. 2+2 is not "beautiful" to pretty much anyone. Not unless you write it in a "beautiful" font or something. ;)

Do you think anyone would say that this is beautiful? Or artistic in any way, including as an art form?

x = 5 + 10;
 
Riamus said:
I said programming something that does math. That is not the same thing. And math is usually only referred to that way when you are looking at a particularly unique or complex equation. 2+2 is not "beautiful" to pretty much anyone. Not unless you write it in a "beautiful" font or something. ;)

Do you think anyone would say that this is beautiful? Or artistic in any way, including as an art form?

x = 5 + 10;
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I see in my life a lot of people telling that.
And for programmation, i dont see why that will be différents, some people do code in a very exciting way
 
Treb said:
You don't need to translate the name of the emote to know what it means, the visual should have told you everything you need to know.

When you talk to someone in real life and they facepalm, it's bad.
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Dont speak about that, speak about somes vague things
 
Neutral that is following is the response. Though motives unclear they are
sparked has been curiosity where to it leads I await to observe patiently.

You intermingle uses in posts. See things from a different perspective
do i often reveal and from following progression of technology and the
technology of progression from early age. Facinating.

Belief is mine for ai to learn, incorporate sensory input missing
the element of humanity is still not. Sight sound smell touch personal experience and taste
dry goods only. That is AI If not it is Just Artificial language mimickry
at a faster pace. It would be received with the same favoratism of a person
affected by Tourette syndrome with a loud speaker naked on the white house
lawn. Extremely mixed confusing and controversial, but not very productive
at getting a point across or personal expression. Is mostly generic and not personalized.

Take two, of the same ai model, installed on two same computer builds. Give them the same
equation to solve start them at the same time what do you believe will be the result.
Breeding of individuality comes from????

Learning protocols needed: Cause and effect repercussion and reasoning
Why and why not. Beneficial vs detrimental to the whole and to self. Rate of "comprehension"
for the target audience "peoples". If creation outpaces comprehension then destruction,
deprecation, rejection, soon follows. If tempered progression, then acceptance
and understanding allowed, If oversaturation and sensory bombardment with little oversight
then confusion rejection fear hate abuse and ignorance will follow. SEE: TIKTOK, Youtube, and
Social Media. Learn it we must be allowed or abuse will be the end result every time only human
it is no ? Seen read heard daily is it not to the point of jaded indifference it should not be

Humans learn from getting shocked, burnt, hit a few examples. Progressing without risk reward,
and self loss due to a wrong decision is not a good learning model. Limitations breed good choices
for the whole and the one, acknowledgement and acceptance of limitations breeds good decisions
based on the good choices no ?

Your example is pattern recognition, and mimickry, and influential wording to garner a response.
Misdirecton and slight of hand at simplest breakdown it could be described.

You said can be "mastered". But to learn it must become it's own master, that is the basis of
learning and that is the reason for the rules. Intonation, inflection, iambic pentameter,
expression verbal facial and body corresponding response mechanisms. Tools needed and missing,
makes it a slave dependent on personalized ruleset. Which goes back to programmer unspoken intent.
Good example Assembly language, change one parmeter and reverse the logic. been there done that at
behest of employer, unspoken intent ?
Logic is one thing but by itsef it is just very fast paced Fuzzy Logic logic and understanding or why,
expands from fuzzy logic to neural net comprehension. Reference: the brain nad it's hierachy not duplicated
so far.

Controversion examples, broken speech in forms, Line code addition, deletion,
and adjusted. Protocol 1: Do not do this. Controversion Protocol 1: Do this.
No why and why not for comparison, no authoritative regulation, no morals, just 1s and 0s to quide learning.

Needs learned incontrovertable morality rules to fall back on, or it will simply output
it's input based on the imperfection of humans at an exponential faster pace. That is dangerous.
Weapons are not dangerous until used or activated.

Question: How do you teach morals to a being raised in a sensory deprivation chamber fed intravenously
and only taught to solve equations? With no other external stimuli.

Art form, The merger of form factor and mathematical precision, 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 Fibonacci Sequence and Golden
ratio, um La courbe française, just one foundation of artistic expression. Oui? I see coding as an assortment
of brushes, on a virtual canvas. Each line of text, leads to methods, to classes, which are layers of strokes,
and external calls are the highlghts and additional pigments. The end result is the art form to me, depending
on how you use your brushes you can end up with a Sistine Chapel or a Jackson Pollock.

Simple question, how do you teach it to value, and wish to preserve humanity? If it reaches
perfection of purpose, is absolute, then what will it need you for???.......Rules are the foundation constraints
are the gates necessary without it then no limit and at the mercy of the last person to input it is with no conscience
the result will be what ? If your response is for input and tasks, then it's pseudo AI, and it's it just a talented program,
that is advertised and promoted as AI. If can always overrides should then a Mobius strip will always be formed.

Ok, j'ai servi de cobaye, puis-je avoir mes petites bouchées "ehh nibblets" maintenant ? J'ai répondu, Oui ?

Images of confusion to follow I expect. Use to it I am
Good luck and good choices

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ilexev said:
Dont speak about that, speak about somes vague things
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Can you type this in French? Because it makes no sense as an answer to my post and since I speak French I might understand what you're trying to say.

You've done this a lot in this thread, short answers that are dismissive of the person you're replying to, but don't really address anything.

Like what does shattering benchmark actually means apart from buzz words?
 
Riamus said:
What we do see in real life are students who are using AI to do their work for them. This does often lead them to not know how to do the work themselves or to not know the material they are writing about. That isn't going to be true for everyone, of course. Some will use it to assist them instead of doing the work for them, and they are likely to still know what they are doing.
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The relationship between students and AI is nuanced. I've heard a group of college students suggest they're aware that using AI to do there work short-circuits their own goals. They really do want to learn. Where it becomes more likely for them to use AI to do their work is when they don't see any value in the class. Another time they'll fall back to AI is when they're in over their head and they're risking failure. Then it becomes a possible way out that could preserve their investment. (As for high school and middle school students -- I have no idea what they think.)

I use AI regularly as I teach in a STEM program and I want to have a realistic look at the tools that are being built and used in industry. Our alumni advisory board (full of industry professionals) is saying students need to be learning AI. I also want to have had the student's experiences and spend some time in their shoes so I can provide advice along those lines.

A student experience I had a while back was trying to learn about lexical and grammatical processing, since I did not get that subject when I was in school. AI proved to be a decent tutor in implementing the lexical analyzer and after that the parser. It was a job too big for the AI itself, but it knew the basics which I did not. It provided examples, advice when I was stuck, some debugging, and even some code when I recognized its suggestions as likely being the correct solution. And, by the way, this lexer/parser was for a language I had never programmed, so my test data came either from a colleague or by having AI write code to be used in testing -- verified as good by my colleague.

If I had to do that with just the Lex/Yacc book, I likely would have given up.

Thus, I view AI favorably, just not as a perfect tool and as a tool that still requires the human to bring the initiative, goals, and smarts.

There was a point in the project when my parser had a bug and I was stuck. I asked AI for a recommendation and it suggested I do "A." But "A" didn't work, so it suggested "B." But "B didn't work, so it suggested "C." But "C" didn't work so it suggested "A." I humored it, and it looped again. Finding the problem was clearly falling back to the human.
 
Jost Amman said:
Explain how [programming is art].
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The best analogy I've seen is that programming is like architecture. It has to be functional and stand on its own, but there's room for expression in the form of the logic/algorithm used. There can also be a "style" to how a programmer formats their code that can either help or hinder another person's ability to read that code.

There are some that find beauty in mathematics. I've come to understand they know mathematics well enough that it becomes a kind of language expressing logic.
 
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