Doomofman
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Is it bad that I'm hoping it misses another week and slips til the 10th-12th weekend?
Purely selfish reasons of course
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Is it bad that I'm hoping it misses another week and slips til the 10th-12th weekend?
Purely selfish reasons of course
RipClaw
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Let me guess. Diablo 4 ?Is it bad that I'm hoping it misses another week and slips til the 10th-12th weekend?
EDIT: By the way I also hope for the 10th-12th weekend. Has nothing to do with Diablo but my favorite streamer is out of town during the first weekend in june.
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Doomofman
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Let me guess. Diablo 4 ?
EDIT: By the way I also hope for the 10th-12th weekend. Has nothing to do with Diablo but my favorite streamer is out of town during the first weekend in june.
Actually same as you, the streamer I'd watch isn't available that weekend and I'm not available the weekend after the 10th-12th so it's the only one that works for me
RipClaw
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Yeah the Fun Pimps have room for improvement when it comes to communicating. I hope they hire a community manager for the next game who will take care of such things.
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I am pretty sure that Roland gave us all the info he was allowed to share when he was super mod. So a community manager could only change frequency of posting the same stuff again and again or style. Is it frequency or style that should be improved in your opinion?
Or is it a cleaner presentation of the facts you are after?
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Jost Amman
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A News Update on Steam I think would go a long way with the community.
Most players don't even know there's an official forum.
mstdv inc
New member
And that's good. Because otherwise we would have received an atmosphere of comments on YouTube :fencing: :frusty: :gossip: :fish: :blah:
That, and maybe some kind of updates via twitter? First we have 4 weeks of regular updates regarding the dev streams and stuff and then suddenly nothing… it seems weird
RipClaw
Well-known member
A clean presentation of the facts would be a good thing.
For example, when it was announced here in the forum that there will be no more empty jars in A21, it was a post with only one or two sentences. Only by asking questions did we learn more. A community manager usually prepares the information in a way that many questions are answered in advance.
Callum123456789
Active member
Yeah these are some agreeable points some facts about changes like ripclaw said are said on a single post then it won't be updated on the main page for a few weeks or a month it would help a lot of us to have a nice and consistent list of features presented so we don't have to look through 20 pages to see a minor/major change people have said to me before they don't often check thr forums as information is scattered around sometimes making it difficult to check up on some of the talk of features.
Roland
Moderator
They are getting direct updates and information through the event Discord straight from Prime and Crater Creator as soon as it is available. The streamers aren't looking for news in the dev diary thread or twitter.
Riamus
Well-known member
I think Steam news updates would be good but they would have to be limited. You don't want to have a news update every few days on Steam as that would just get annoying for people with many games who want to see the news from all of them. So it isn't ideal for more than announcements and having news saved up and posted once every couple of weeks or something. But that would still be a good thing to have, imo.
As far as "most players" not knowing there's an official forum, I have a hard time accepting that. Anyone who plays games should expect that there is an official forum for the games they play. It isn't always the case but there is usually an official forum unless the game is old enough that they removed the forum. Most won't ever go to the forum except maybe to try to find help if something isn't working but that doesn't mean they don't know it exists. It would be far more believable to say most don't know there's a twitter feed or a discord channel as those are far less frequently used by game companies, though more and more are using them these days. But a forum is very common.
Since I read the forum almost every day and keep up on things, Roland's posts are great for me. But for anyone who isn't regularly checking the forums, things disappear so quickly in these mega threads that it can be difficult to find things. Yes, there is a list of changes at the beginning that is updated but those changes aren't really explained very well there. If you had someone like a community manager, or if you just asked your super moderator to handle it, you could have a thread that only allows posting by them and they could list the changes and give explanations of what those changes mean. We have those explanations in this thread but they are hidden among all the many, many pages. If it was a thread only that person posted to, they could have all the details in one place that is easy to find.
jorbascrumps
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I just wanted to correct this line of thinking. The vast majority of players do not visit or even know that games have forums, and I'd even go a step further and say that it is mostly enthusiasts who participate in forums. Mostly people rely on social media to follow news in aggregate for the games they play. Hell, I consider myself amongst the enthusiast crowd and I have been surprised to find out a game I've played for years has a whole underground community in their forums.
I think TFP knows this as well and that is why they only seem to post things like art updates on social media and not here on the forums; they know the enthusiast crowd here will find that information for themselves.
Riamus
Well-known member
I didn't say people visited the forums. I said they knew they existed. Maybe the newest generation of gamers don't know about forums but I highly doubt that. There is a big difference between not knowing they exist and not visiting them. Most do not visit them as you said. But most would know they exist. If you have any data showing that this isn't the case, is be interested in seeing it but from all I've seen in decades of gaming, people know about forums even if they don't use them.
Jost Amman
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Just to clarify... what I meant is that most people who buy the game on the Steam platform, expect to find the devs and the community there.
Because that's what a lot of indie Devs do nowadays. Many are mostly casual players who really probably don't know this forum exists.
You don't know how many times people on Steam were surprised, when I replied to one of their posts on Steam, since they were talking to the devs or asking questions to them, and I mentioned that they (the Devs) very rarely reply there.
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Riamus
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Yeah, I didn't mean they shouldn't have a presence in other platforms, including Steam or that people didn't expect them to be there. Just that they would know there is likely a forum. The big thing is many people on Steam consider the Steam forum to be the official one, which is very often not the case even if the devs have a presence there. Either way, improving the info here is good even if they are using other platforms as well.
I'm a casual mid-life gamer and I fully expect any game of any noticeable size to have an official forum in addition to Steam or other forums as those can go sideways and the devs have little control. No different than many other products that have an official forum so they can monitor the chatter to their standards and directly interact with their customers as they see fit. This is especially popular and expected with software. There are forums for my recording studio software, various computer operating systems, video editing software, etc. Most people in my demographic of life are aware of this. When my nephew and niece (both in college) look for video game data they go right to the official forums for their games, whether Nintendo, PC, or mobile. I had to point out to several family members that Steam even has a forum for each game.
In life, we tend to gravitate to people like us. I can't think of any gamers in my family, friends, or co-workers that are not aware of official gaming forums. Clearly others come from a different place in life. Nothing wrong with either background, but let's be careful about casting a wide net supporting ignorance to the existence of official gaming forums.
In life, we tend to gravitate to people like us. I can't think of any gamers in my family, friends, or co-workers that are not aware of official gaming forums. Clearly others come from a different place in life. Nothing wrong with either background, but let's be careful about casting a wide net supporting ignorance to the existence of official gaming forums.
Aldranon
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As one of the older types (I saw JFK shot, everyone was crying) I know how to search for games I like and so found this forum.
For the younger folks, unless they are mentally incapacitated or live on a country that blocks this forum. They just lurk, not interesting in typing anything or due to the mildly caustic nature of this forum.
If someone is interested enough, they will at least be lurking.
For the younger folks, unless they are mentally incapacitated or live on a country that blocks this forum. They just lurk, not interesting in typing anything or due to the mildly caustic nature of this forum.
If someone is interested enough, they will at least be lurking.
Gamida
Hood Ornament
I don't remember how I found out about this forum. I knew of forums, I had been on one for years before joining this one.
I had never had steam and had never really played a game on my computer before I got 7 Days.
To tell the truth I don't know if I would have knew of the forum first when I started playing but am pretty sure I found out about it quickly from some one I jumped on a server with
or from someone on Youtube.
I do know that if I just type 7 days to die into search this is what I get.
What it would have come up when I first started playing I couldn't say.
I am just glad that I did find it. Between all the info, hype and drama it's been a wild ride over these past few years
Hoping for many more to come.
I had never had steam and had never really played a game on my computer before I got 7 Days.
To tell the truth I don't know if I would have knew of the forum first when I started playing but am pretty sure I found out about it quickly from some one I jumped on a server with
or from someone on Youtube.
I do know that if I just type 7 days to die into search this is what I get.
What it would have come up when I first started playing I couldn't say.
I am just glad that I did find it. Between all the info, hype and drama it's been a wild ride over these past few years
Hoping for many more to come.
Riamus
Well-known member
In all honesty, I avoid Steam's forums just as I avoid YouTube's comment sections. They are both so full of vitriol that I want nothing to do with them. This forum may have some sarcasm and such but it's a friendly place without all the anger and hate and rudeness you see on Steam and YouTube. I know you can find good stuff in both places but it just seems you're more likely to find the bad than the good there. I'd much rather a company use an official forum than to only make use of Steam's forums. Nothing wrong with them using both, as well as other things like Twitter (ugh!) and Discord. But if they are only going to use one forum, I'd just prefer they use their own than Steam's. Of course, using Steam's forums doesn't require any effort to setup or maintain their own, which is a big reason why a lot of indie companies do that.
But official forums maintained by the company itself are common all over the place, not just in gaming. And, as Gamida showed, Google results for a website will very often list the forum right there, making it obvious there is one and easy to access.
But official forums maintained by the company itself are common all over the place, not just in gaming. And, as Gamida showed, Google results for a website will very often list the forum right there, making it obvious there is one and easy to access.