PC Alpha 21 Discussion Overflow
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Fanatical_Meat
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Point is imagine any other business using that line. How would it make you feel?
Imagine depositing a check and when asked at what time will the funds be available they said “When it’s done”. Personally I’d be pretty @%$#ed off that is literally the worst answer to a question.
Why the pimps spout this term when you know you’d never use it in nearly any other context or even face to face with another person is beyond me.
Jost Amman
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Except you didn't "deposit" any check. You bought a pair of socks, and you're acting like you own the business now.
TFP is a GAME dev studio... next time you want to complain about not having hard cut-off dates or shareholder reports, I suggest you do it with the Microsoft customers department, or with any other "regular" business.
Also, being professional, and being serious are not necessarily the same. "It's done when it's done" is perfectly fine for a dev studio which doesn't have a publisher breathing down their necks. They chose to have this kind of freedom so that they could take their time to create their own dream game (Joel's and Rick's words).
Can we get just that part .. if not "Will reveal when time come thing" just curious now new water looks..
I have same issue with TFP at start, but slowly I realize they are enjoying development and game themselves. they love this game. And with that Passion it is understandable they do not have hard deadline for users. Also the game they are developing has its own challenge with provided hardware they are not easy to solve. So it is not possible to always remain true to deadline. It is more of R&D stuff then commercial HR Payroll/Ecommerce website development.
Trust the team they are doing what they can to release soon. Also it is good they do not have those hard deadline, otherwise I won't get 5 different game in 5 different version. I am happy that I play this game, more happy that I see how complex software are developed.
mstdv inc
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The bottom line is that not you, not me, not any other player are not employers for the TFP, so we have no right to demand any deadlines.In steam, we made a deal - money in exchange for the game, we also agreed that the game is in development and the content may change.No other agreements were concluded.Your wording about the receipt and the due date is not correct in this situation.
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Perhaps a vague approach would help control anxiety. For example, they might say something like "we think it may be ready before the end of this year." This will imply that it is possible, that it won't be long, even if it comes out later due to unforeseen events, at least there are possibilities. However, if they already know that it won't be possible, something like "In 2023" will help to calm things down and assume that there is still a while to go.
Cazmyr
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Hello all, I hope everyone is doing well.
I have to say that I am excited at the possibility of hidden wires. If that is not what the clue meant, then that is cool, but I LOVE the idea of hiding them. I build extra floors into my basses to contain the wiring, so that when you are on the living or working levels you can't see them. I have an issue....I know. lol
Secondly about this current conversation. I am in the camp that TFP do not owe us anything, we are not entitled to anything. Sometimes entitlement is justified. When you deposit money into a bank, you are entitled to see that money in your account balance. But in this case, as people have been saying, in no way are TFP obligated to answer to us.
Lastly, one of the reasons TFP use the "it is done when it is done" instead of giving a date of possibility, is that this community will take that as biblical truth and attempt to hold them to account for it. It happens every time a date is even whispered as a possibly, maybe, has a chance to be. It happened with Rick and the interview. He said that A22 could be in the spring, so people in this thread started interpreting that as to when A21 will be out.
We are lucky to have a forum like this at all. To have company owners and game developers that actually talk to the community and listen to us. Do not mistake that for an obligation on their part to answer to us.
I have to say that I am excited at the possibility of hidden wires. If that is not what the clue meant, then that is cool, but I LOVE the idea of hiding them. I build extra floors into my basses to contain the wiring, so that when you are on the living or working levels you can't see them. I have an issue....I know. lol
Secondly about this current conversation. I am in the camp that TFP do not owe us anything, we are not entitled to anything. Sometimes entitlement is justified. When you deposit money into a bank, you are entitled to see that money in your account balance. But in this case, as people have been saying, in no way are TFP obligated to answer to us.
Lastly, one of the reasons TFP use the "it is done when it is done" instead of giving a date of possibility, is that this community will take that as biblical truth and attempt to hold them to account for it. It happens every time a date is even whispered as a possibly, maybe, has a chance to be. It happened with Rick and the interview. He said that A22 could be in the spring, so people in this thread started interpreting that as to when A21 will be out.
We are lucky to have a forum like this at all. To have company owners and game developers that actually talk to the community and listen to us. Do not mistake that for an obligation on their part to answer to us.
Gamida
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Little bit of contradictory posts there isn't it
See, we are all subject to the itch of information.
Roland
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Fanatical_Meat
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Don’t mistake me I’m not complaint about the slow pace. I’m saying “When it’s done” is a @%$# answer. As I said truth is always the best answer.Can we get just that part .. if not "Will reveal when time come thing" just curious now new water looks..
I have same issue with TFP at start, but slowly I realize they are enjoying development and game themselves. they love this game. And with that Passion it is understandable they do not have hard deadline for users. Also the game they are developing has its own challenge with provided hardware they are not easy to solve. So it is not possible to always remain true to deadline. It is more of R&D stuff then commercial HR Payroll/Ecommerce website development.
Trust the team they are doing what they can to release soon. Also it is good they do not have those hard deadline, otherwise I won't get 5 different game in 5 different version. I am happy that I play this game, more happy that I see how complex software are developed.
There’s no demand. A question gets asked and an answer should be given.
”When it’s done” is not an answer it is designed to avoid the question.
meilodasreh
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See that mountain top in the distance? It is exactly 12miles away. You start where you are, and the goal you have in mind is absolutely clear to you.
So you know the distance, you know where you want to be at the and, and you also know exactly how fast you can go (distance per time).
Now you tell me how long it will take you, its absolutely easy, just do the math.
Of course, it absolutely doesn't matter that you can't see how many obstacles there are along the way.
And if there are differences that occur during your steady progress, those definitely cannot slow your pace no matter what there may come!
...or does it matter?
Guys, Fanatical_Meat is talking about the form, not the information in the message. 80% of you replying to FM are knocking on the wrong doors.
Oh yes, it is. It is exactly equivalent to "We give out no dates" and everyone with the capacity to understand a circumlocution gets the meaning.
Oh yes, it is. It is exactly equivalent to "We give out no dates" and everyone with the capacity to understand a circumlocution gets the meaning.
Morloc
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meilodasreh
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Roland
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If your intent was to exact revenge upon me by making me spray orange juice out my nose then well played!
Matt115
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My small theory : People are frustrated for some time. i see in few diffrent games situation similiar way of thinking - more and more people are asking about released date of EA/full version/dlc. Because they just want.... something positive. small thing that can make them feel better
JamesKirk
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You can see me fighting
It's time for A21 to drop. My friends and I are currently playing another game. Get us back!
Roland
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You can see me fighting
You've still got your shirt on. We're nowhere close to the climax of the scene. My God, Jim! I'm a moderator, not a miracle worker!!
Laran Mithras
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Lately, I see a lot of players absolutely demanding rigid timetables and promises kept.
I think this is beyond just a game-thing - and most definitely not limited to 7DTD.
I'm happy with "when it's done." I don't want "buggy unplayable mess" that brings in 10X as many complaints and scorn because a timetable was kept. Some people are just never satisfied.
I think this is beyond just a game-thing - and most definitely not limited to 7DTD.
I'm happy with "when it's done." I don't want "buggy unplayable mess" that brings in 10X as many complaints and scorn because a timetable was kept. Some people are just never satisfied.
outhous
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It is an answer, one you just seem to refuse to accept, that's a 'you' problem.