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Code_Ovrld said:
Again just a suggestion but thank you for understanding what I was saying
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zztong said:
Google is showing me 12 different definitions for the word and 1 of them relates to slavery.
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This was the owners' initial response when I gave them a heads up about this request. They said there are many meanings for the word master and they aren't using the meaning that relates to slavery. At least for now they are not planning to rename "master" wherever it appears in the code. Perhaps they will for their next game if they begin with an alternate word from the beginning of development since they are at least now aware of the request. Be assured, they were not at all of the attitude that they would keep instances of "master" in the code as some kind of anti-woke obstinacy-- they just have much higher priorities at the moment and were frankly surprised that anyone who looked at the code and saw the context in which the word was being used would even make a connection to slavery and feel offended.

 
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Magnus33john said:
Water overhaul seems to be abit of a mess in 21.

I get the need to re-balance water but some of whats being done makes little sense.

The lack of containers makes absolutely no sense as they would be laying around everywhere .

The half life of plastic is around 500 years  lol

What would make more sense is have drinking water only coming from dew collectors and murky water still easily collectible.

Have the murky water being unable to be cleaned (call it a non removable zombie virus or contamination )

This would allow for the water to be re-balanced but still allow for murky water being used in the making of duct tape and the like.

This would make a lot more sense and keep both sides happy.

Since breaking part of the game to fix another part of the game doesn't make a lot of sense.
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It's a good job that we're not all designers of the game then, as everyone seems to want it to behave slightly differently. 😜

 
unholyjoe said:
that does explain it all. :)

so if the devs change things to up the ante to a survival game... you basically want an offset to make it counter the change... hmmm sounds like playing american football in reverse only mode. you will never win nor advance. :)
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I'm saying the size of the collector makes no sense for the output. You guys want to keep it an output of three per day? Fine. It should be a smaller workstation. 2x2x2 (or 2x2x3) makes more sense than 3x3x4. Especially if the idea is to have us set up dew collector "farms."

That said, I look forward to A21 and seeing how this all actually works out.

 
Roland said:
This was the owners' initial response when I gave them a heads up about this request. They said there are many meanings for the word master and they aren't using the meaning that relates to slavery. At least for now they are not planning to rename "master" wherever it appears in the code. Perhaps they will for their next game if they begin with an alternate word from the beginning of development since they are at least now aware of the request. Be assured, they were not at all of the attitude that they would keep instances of "master" in the code as some kind of anti-woke obstinacy-- they just have much higher priorities at the moment and were frankly surprised that anyone who looked at the code and saw the context in which the word was being used would even make a connection to slavery and feel offended.
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Totally fine man, im thinking mods are not the way to go. Why give people something free when i can make something. See you all on the flip side. 

 
Code_Ovrld said:
Totally fine man, im thinking mods are not the way to go. Why give people something free when i can make something. See you all on the flip side. 
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Absolutely! When I think of you, I totally get the "fair compensation for work done" vibe. ;)  Hope your dreams come to fruition as I'm always interested in great new games

 
... literally every race on the planet has been enslaved by some other race, so literally no one should be "more" offended than the next.  

It is ridiculous to hide that fact by removing words that hurt someone's feelings ... correction, that someone SAYS hurts someone's feelings.

Words have meanings.  Hell "code overlord" might as well say "code master".  The connotation to slavery is much stronger with "overlord" than it is "master". 

Ponder that.

 
Code_Ovrld said:
Dang bro and I was going to play your mods.
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Look, I get and even appreciate that you aren't acting too entitled, and that your request is very politely made, but we as a people have to stop perpetuating this idea that everyone must be catered to and the English language should be butchered to accommodate x group of people that isn't even asking for it.

Hell we can't even use the word "@%$#" anymore in the *bread* industry.  Where it has a legitimate use!  We can't describe people anymore, we can't refer to biology.  All in the name of what?

It's just getting ridiculous.  In this fevered attempt to make everyone feel better all we are doing is removing literal history and self actualizing our worst parts of humanity by pretending it doesn't exist through literal censorship.

Instead, we should be learning and embracing our worst parts so that we can face the reality of it, instead of making it some abstract construct with no real definitions because we aren't allowed to use words anymore. 

Omg.  Did the forum filter just remove a reference to a word that means "to slow down the growth of"?

...this is exactly what I mean. 

 
Guppycur said:
Look, I get and even appreciate that you aren't acting too entitled, and that your request is very politely made, but we as a people have to stop perpetuating this idea that everyone must be catered to and the English language should be butchered to accommodate x group of people that isn't even asking for it.

Hell we can't even use the word "@%$#" anymore in the *bread* industry.  Where it has a legitimate use!  We can't describe people anymore, we can't refer to biology.  All in the name of what?

It's just getting ridiculous.  In this fevered attempt to make everyone feel better all we are doing is removing literal history and self actualizing our worst parts of humanity by pretending it doesn't exist through literal censorship.

Instead, we should be learning and embracing our worst parts so that we can face the reality of it, instead of making it some abstract construct with no real definitions because we aren't allowed to use words anymore. 

Omg.  Did the forum filter just remove a reference to a word that means "to slow down the growth of"?

...this is exactly what I mean. 
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Not really. The forum filter is just a lazy way to lessen the impact of flames immediately and in the long term. If you were talking about bread and obviously used the filtered word to mean "slow down" circumventing the filter would not get you in trouble (in my view, I can only guess that the opinion of the other moderators about this is similar). 

What that movement wants is to abolish the word "master" in all its meanings. On the ground that it hurts people or improves society. I normally would add a few question marks to the previous sentence but I said I would not comment 😎 😁

 
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Let's bring this conversation to a close now while it is still pretty benign. We don't allow political discussions because they are off topic and quickly become toxic. A request was made and an answer given and that is it. Done.

 
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Keyller76 said:
Hello,

Do you plan to improve the Electricity system?

For example, on a battery bank I don't understand why I can't connect both a Solar Station and a Gas Generator at same time.

I could use the Solar Station most of the time, and when needed recharge the batteries with gas.

If the system would be too efficient, you could add a risk of overvoltage that would damage the batteries, for example. Or add a new transformator block to allow connect multiple energy source...

And for aesthetic reasons, allow to put electric wires directly in the block, maybe with another tool. But if the block is destroyed, then the wire is cut.

Thank you :)
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Now you can connect the solar panel to the battery pack.From 4 to 22, power will come from the sun, and from 22 to 4 from batteries.During the day, the batteries charge themselves.Everything switches automatically.Why do you need a generator in this circuit?

 
alexd said:
(Many are now saying that drinking 8 glasses of water is not needed in real life. Which if that's what the game is trying to get me to do, I don't realistically do that but that's

probably a whole different discussion.)
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They are saying you don't need 8 glasses of water, not that you don't need around that in fluids.  They are saying now that as long as you are getting enough fluids, including through things like fruits and vegetables as well as any other drinks, it is all you need.  Though water is still a good thing to drink. 😁

I do think that the amount of food and drink needed in the game is excessive... especially food.  The amount of food eaten let day in the game, at least until you get the better cooked foods, is probably around 10,000 calories in real life, which is insane.  That said, I understand the game reason for this as it gives reason to eat better food and drink better drinks in order to reduce the amount you need.  Not to mention perks to reduce food and drink usage.  Overall, it is a pain in the beginning, but has no real impact later and I don't expect the changes to make much real difference.

 
Riamus said:
I do think that the amount of food and drink needed in the game is excessive... especially food.  The amount of food eaten let day in the game, at least until you get the better cooked foods, is probably around 10,000 calories in real life, which is insane.  That said, I understand the game reason for this as it gives reason to eat better food and drink better drinks in order to reduce the amount you need.  Not to mention perks to reduce food and drink usage.  Overall, it is a pain in the beginning, but has no real impact later and I don't expect the changes to make much real difference.
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I always find myself hardly ever lacking food or water and am welcoming the change.  Would love to see the health points given when eating food be removed. Make medical items useful again.  After first day or two, never have to worry about health anymore.

 
mstdv inc said:
Now you can connect the solar panel to the battery pack.From 4 to 22, power will come from the sun, and from 22 to 4 from batteries.During the day, the batteries charge themselves.Everything switches automatically.Why do you need a generator in this circuit?
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Why should I be prevented from doing so?

I may not have enough solar panels to fully recharge the batteries. So I could supplement with a generator.

 
Yes, once you get going, food and water are easy and I really don't expect this change to impact that other than perhaps extending the lack for another day or so.  I do like getting rid of glass jars as after the first game or two when I'd fill them with murky water, I never use them anymore even in new games.

 
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