PC Alpha 21 Discussion Overflow

Games'n'Grumble said:
@Roland, hi! I'm sorry for the obtrusiveness, but could you ask the developers if they have plans for this? It just seems to me that this question has been left 5 pages behind and will not be paid attention to, but it seems to me that it would be very useful for POI designers (if it hasn't been done yet, of course :) )
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You tagged the right person so he should see it regardless of the thread moving on. I’ll let him know someone asked him a question. :)

 
meganoth said:
The ultra setting is independent of resolution. As far as I heard from others it is perfectly playable with todays hardware if you play on 2k or 3k. And if we ignore some bugs and inconsistencies for the moment that seem to plague some but not all high-end players. Did anyone specify that 4k (or maybe even 8k) at ultra would be playable?

There is no argument that TFP has to purge those bugs and inconsistencies before release. But you get triggered by totally irrelevant problems like an ultra setting that is in fact a suggestion that nobody needs to take, in an unfinished game. Look who is immature here?

Another point is that technologie advances all the time and by the time the game releases the ultra settings will be less ultra than they are today, even more so with any year following release.

And there is a history of AAA games that had unrealistic or lets say futuristic ultra settings even at release, the most famous one being Wing Commander I think. Play that game with ultra now and you'll probably get laughably high FPS.

Now TFP could adapt and balance the ultra setting every alpha to changing hardware and changing game loads. Lots of wasted time that I frankly don't expect to be done in an unfinished game. I expect them to fix the traders, I would like for them to be more forthcoming with information and surely the general performance needs more work. But what you are now expecting is handholding to a degree that it is silly. "Whoah, my super PC can't handle ultra in this game. I'm lost, what can I do?".  Are there really idiots like that out there?
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As soon as I read 'You get triggered,' you lost me. I've had enough of disrespectful, misrepresentative, flame-baiting, trolly bums on here.

Grow up.

 
I’ve been looking forward to A21 a little too fervently.  I had myself thinking it was right around the corner!  From the latest posts, I’m thinking it’s gonna be a 2023 thing and I should probably calm down.

 
To be fair to @Beelzebubs Ghost

-Game has been in alpha for longer then most games' development cycle, scratch to finish

-Even if someone bought the game at alpha 5 with the "it's an alpha, expectations are low" mindset.. it's been ages and they want their moneys worth, whatever that means to them

-Alpha 15 had a different perk system then it is now, it was overhauled to the current perk system, and now it's being changed again.. I can be grateful for this kind of change cuz, imo, alpha 15's was way better and this looks a little closer to that.. but still i want a playable game more then anything and that's looking further away if the devs keep retouching on things over and over again

I'd say this much.. I want optimization.. tis all i care about.  The build system is great, the gameplay is great, and i haven't driven the game to death for the last 4 years since i bought it on PC to know what every POI variation and such looks like to care that they are adding more POI's.  However it's completely egocentric to, at this point, think anyone's expectations for this game is less or more important than anyone elses.  Some people have driven the content into the ground, have high-end pc's to handle the games hiccups/optimization oversights (whatever you would call it), and have different want's or needs from the game.  As for wanting Ultra settings to work at 4K 60fps.. might be a bit of a push, but again when the game was put in alpha nearly 9 years ago.. if you have todays top-end PC with RTX capability blah blah.. it should probably handle that of a 9 year old game.  

This all being said.. I wasn't here to really gripe.. came to check what's been confirmed for alpha 21 and see if their was any optimization talk, cuz again that's what i care about.  Instead i see water voxel stuff.. which i did see some crazy water block issues in a rwg that just looked ugly so that's cool and all... and people starting some silly argument over what "right" a person has to complain over this or that.  I personally wouldn't blame anyone for raging right now if they payed for a product near 9 years ago and that product still hasn't been delivered in full, regardless of what they want to rage about.  Just my 2 cents.

 
AmishMan53 said:
To be fair to @Beelzebubs Ghost

-Game has been in alpha for longer then most games' development cycle, scratch to finish

-Even if someone bought the game at alpha 5 with the "it's an alpha, expectations are low" mindset.. it's been ages and they want their moneys worth, whatever that means to them

-Alpha 15 had a different perk system then it is now, it was overhauled to the current perk system, and now it's being changed again.. I can be grateful for this kind of change cuz, imo, alpha 15's was way better and this looks a little closer to that.. but still i want a playable game more then anything and that's looking further away if the devs keep retouching on things over and over again

I'd say this much.. I want optimization.. tis all i care about.  The build system is great, the gameplay is great, and i haven't driven the game to death for the last 4 years since i bought it on PC to know what every POI variation and such looks like to care that they are adding more POI's.  However it's completely egocentric to, at this point, think anyone's expectations for this game is less or more important than anyone elses.  Some people have driven the content into the ground, have high-end pc's to handle the games hiccups/optimization oversights (whatever you would call it), and have different want's or needs from the game.  As for wanting Ultra settings to work at 4K 60fps.. might be a bit of a push, but again when the game was put in alpha nearly 9 years ago.. if you have todays top-end PC with RTX capability blah blah.. it should probably handle that of a 9 year old game.  

This all being said.. I wasn't here to really gripe.. came to check what's been confirmed for alpha 21 and see if their was any optimization talk, cuz again that's what i care about.  Instead i see water voxel stuff.. which i did see some crazy water block issues in a rwg that just looked ugly so that's cool and all... and people starting some silly argument over what "right" a person has to complain over this or that.  I personally wouldn't blame anyone for raging right now if they payed for a product near 9 years ago and that product still hasn't been delivered in full, regardless of what they want to rage about.  Just my 2 cents.
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My take away from the conversation on the optimization end is that there will always be small improvements here and there. I see it with every patch. Do not expect a large overhaul as we are on the final stretch of features so they can move on to Beta and then Gold.

Early Access games I see take a longer development cycle all the time due to the nature of people playing and giving feedback which in turn increases development time. Much different than going Gold and then dropping a patch afterwards to address the feedback. I remember the days of no patches, you got what you got.

 
AmishMan53 said:
-Even if someone bought the game at alpha 5 with the "it's an alpha, expectations are low" mindset.. it's been ages and they want their moneys worth, whatever that means to them
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If someone who has had the game from alpha 5 and hasnt got their "money's worth" , well they are impossible to please. 

i spent $24.00 on this game and have over 2400 hours. at 1c per hour and dropping in price the more i play ... i sure as hell have had my money's worth and a whole lot more. 

 
Laz Man said:
I'm sure Roland is racking his brain to top his "Everdeen" puzzle.  He is probably wants to make sure whatever feature he will elude too won't slip to A22...😅
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the real reason of alphas being delayed is finally revealed

TFP were always on track...it was him all the time 🧐

 
Hicksior said:
I may be missing something in the game, but I haven't seen anything on it, but any plan to return the ability to make solar panels and cells by the players?

I enjoy setting up a base with doors that open via motion cameras and running it all on solar with battery banks, but having to purchase the solar can be frustrating as you have to wait till they are available.

Otherwise keep up the great work, myself and friends are looking forward to seeing what else is coming! 
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Had to be a mod, I’ve been playing a while and I do not remember panels or auto doors

 
No mods, I run a pure Vanilla server and skills still has being able to make things in them as well. We are all learning the game and no need to mod it just yet, we do have a couple of small ones on the server for quality of life, but damn we enjoy it. Normally anywhere from 5 to 9 of us playing and doing missions, I might have to do some feedback actually on missions.

 
Hicksior said:
No mods, I run a pure Vanilla server and skills still has being able to make things in them as well. We are all learning the game and no need to mod it just yet, we do have a couple of small ones on the server for quality of life, but damn we enjoy it. Normally anywhere from 5 to 9 of us playing and doing missions, I might have to do some feedback actually on missions.
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I typically don’t do electric maybe I’m wrong. I simply don’t remember those items being in a vanilla game.

 
AmishMan53 said:
but still i want a playable game more then anything and that's looking further away if the devs keep retouching on things over and over again
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You said some other things I was tempted to respond to but this took the cake so I’ll limit my response to this. 
 

The game is already playable and has been playable for 9 years now. I’m just not sure what magical switch people are thinking is going to get flipped in the game when the devs say, “Okay, it’s now 1.0 so let’s remove the Early Access label. Full release is here”

You know, I played Minecraft during its open beta while it was in early access and it played pretty much the same after its “Full release” as it did before. In fact, it still does. Yes, it has gotten quite a bit of new content since it released officially but it still plays pretty much the same. 
 

In other words, there really isn’t much of a reason to want the devs to say, “We’re done” as long as they are continually working on it. I have yet to see any released game by any studio that doesn’t have people with high end machines complaining about the the difference between reality and their expectations. 
 

When this game releases the oceans aren’t going to rise a bit, the lights in your house aren’t going to dim for a second or two. The game will largely be exactly the same as we have and there will be folks complaining that they are experiencing bugs and that they get drops in performance because that is the case for every single game out there. 
 

The game is playable now.

Xeen said:
@The Fun Pimps

Does anyone care to comment on why the solar bank, and solar panel can't be crafted?

I know this has probably been asked and answered but I've not seen it.
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Because it’s a looter shooter. Duh!

btw…. 7 Brutus Denied 5

 
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