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Shall we throw rocks toward that bandit behind cover to get zombies to flush him out. Or, make enough noise to attract zombies toward us for our own bandit cover
Matt115
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You know "grab" player enemy in game when you jump from 5 m you have 100% to breake legs will be 100% that even if you manage to kill vulture you will still have insta death?
1. idk
2. probably not - people who focus on turrets will be to @%$# off
3.this spikes zombie sounds good for dunno skyrim or dark souls not to "we are making WD but with some mutatants"
4. i agree about that
6. inf zombie sounds good
7. well bandits are... zombie with weapons who attack zombies
Zombie can be use as defense - you are making moat and you don't have to worry about bandits any more
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Matt115
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When i see how stalker modders make AI i hope Devs will make it simple as it can be. Just fighting againts everything except animals and take cover if bandits have range weapon and that's all.
Makeing human npc in zombie game is just bad idea. So making them as simple as possible is the best thing cit can be done
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This could make the game maybe too easy. Just lure Zombies in a bandit troop and watch things going boom. What would you do with bandits in horde nights? If Zombies are the enemies of bandits too, I'd expect attacks on the Bandit's base too. Do Bandits have bases at all? And if not, what will they do in horde nights? I'd feel foolish if I had to defend my base, while some bandits make a coffee party in a meadow nearby.
IMO bandits should be Zombies with guns that don't fight other Zombies. Bandits should just be another roaming enemy that keep you entertained.
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doughphunghus
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are you telling me they won’t bust into a building and save me, carry my 1 HP broken body to a nearby camp, spend 2 in game weeks (blood moons included) tending to my wounds and visit with me as I drink soup in the infirmary, and later the guest lodge? I mean, at least they’re going to be maintaining the airport and cargo planes that drop the air drops so I can join and fly along, helping others in PvP, parachuting from the plane with my bandit buds (well, family by now) as we scout the wastelands. I know there are no current plans for children but, I mean, with a deep enough relationship formed between factions I’m sure that will have to happen. As hundreds of days pass, the bandits, duke and others will slowly come together and rebuild society (and functioning boats) block by block. The final end game reached when me and my family and their children and their childrens children can gather around the family business, which will be an ice cream truck (fully functioning as a mobile zombie base/ice cream delivery) and I can free form dialogue with the bandit AI and we can sit until the dark of night telling stories of the old days.
are you telling me a small percentage of this isn’t going to happen? I just need some help knowing where “reasonable” meets “unlikely in a21l
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Matt115
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Do you played in hl2 ? you can find in some places combine vs zombie or combine vs antilions it would be similiar
Yes. because humans are the most annoing thing in post apo sandbox
It is only easy if you see the bandits before they see you. And then it is a natural advantage you would expect only a stealth player ca n pull off most of the time.
And it only makes the game too easy if a bandit camp can't cope with the 3-4 roaming zombies you could lure into such a camp.
In my opinion this is one of the ways bandits actually ADD something to the game. As ranged zombies they don't much add to what the cop already does, but as an additional faction that can be used in intelligent ways against zombies and vice versa they provide a new and fun option for the player.
Don't expect too much realism. Bandit camps will probably be static affairs just there to conquer them, though I would guess if they are in range to see you I would expect them to shoot at you all day long. Which would not make it sensible to have a bandit camp beside your horde base.
7Dtd isn't Half Life. The AI fights in HL1 and HL2 are scripted most of the time. But did you see what happened in 'The Forest' when two tribes fight? It can take minutes and it is very boring to watch. While fights between you and the AI can get rather intense in this game.
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Matt115
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Well HL2 not all fights are scripted ( i tested it in gmod too) - this depends on location and how many and types you will put enemies but in short - combine just stay and shoot to zombie until they or zombie die. And sometimes they throw granade or make few steps into another room. that's all and in 7dtd it can work similiar
Telly G
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You know "grab" player enemy in game when you jump from 5 m you have 100% to breake legs will be 100% that even if you manage to kill vulture you will still have insta death?
1. idk
2. probably not - people who focus on turrets will be to @%$# off
3.this spikes zombie sounds good for dunno skyrim or dark souls not to "we are making WD but with some mutatants"
4. i agree about that
6. inf zombie sounds good
7. well bandits are... zombie with weapons who attack zombies
Zombie can be use as defense - you are making moat and you don't have to worry about bandits any more
I'd prefer more if the giant vultures were more of a threat during blood moon than a non-entity if you are in a building with a roof. There is also basically no way for zombies to ever get in if you build correctly. Spider Zombies were originally this kind of creature where they literally could climb walls to attempt to breach your base. Something special and rare that could always get in and you'd need to deal with right away would certainly be what the pimps have been looking for with the endless fight against the base builders.
I use turrets and electricity traps a lot. Nightmare Falls gets around electric fences by making an electric-immune super beast that's a rung above even the scrapped behemoth. It's pretty easy to make a fortnite kill tunnel laden with traps and funnel the zombies into it and that's that. stacking dart boxes is so powerful in this regard that I prefer them to blade traps in front of the door to my base with electric fencing and that with personal turrets it makes horde night super easy with no real curveballs being thrown at me by the zombies.
this game's pretty zany and wild, rember giant hornets? It was more a counterpart to the super heavy armored save it's head one where it's armor is 'thorns' so you're want to shoot it, focus on a headshot due to it's fragile head, or even use a spear, that could maybe be excempt from the thorns effect.
I like in games where there's zombies n bandits you encounter an armored former bandit tho it'd be just another motorcycle club zombie if it didn't stand out.
Matt115
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cod "sturmsomething" and sniper elite elite zombie shows up
Me: meh, Krasny soldat in cod and fire demon are better
In few places you have 5-8 zombie snipers and almost no cover so this zombie are annoing as hell in NZA
So - not giant vultures but add something like tank from l4d2 could solve a this problem (behemot) but they don't want big zombies
Well i hate NF - one of the worst looking mod i ever seen
Giant hornets were aestetic fails. That's why i think No more room in hell is the one of the best zombie game because types and design of zombie in this game have sense ( it's is hl2 mod but it is difffent enough like CS)
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The stuff about patrols only makes sense if you think about a thief-like game, which 7D2D is not. Stealth in the game is already working and similar to how it works against zombies it will probably work against bandits too. Even without criticial hits it is an advantage if you can scout out a camp or POI and let loose a few hits before they are able to shoot back or get behind cover.
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What do you think about the feature that Bandits could get invisible? Not completely invisible, more like the Predator's cloak effect when being in stealth mode.
Telly G
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the (sniper elite) Zombie Army games have stages that feature zombies armed with guns that know how to use them. The snipers leap around from perch to perch making them difficult to pin down, there's heavy gunners that take multiple headshots to kill, so on.
I don't think this is right for 7D2D (which is an RPG!). Because it makes detecting bandits depend on player ability to notice miniscule changes on the screen, on the monitor screen you are using and its resolution. In an RPG your perks should define your abilities as much as possible.
And because it is not neccessary. As we know bandits would be unreasonably good if they had unlimited detection range and shooting accuracy and damage. And they would be pushovers if their range, damage and accuracy were 0. Somewhere inbetween these extremes there must be a sweetspot where they are a manageable danger.
Or in other words, invisibility can be traded 1:1 with detection range, i.e. if their detection range is higher than the players then it is as if they were invisible until they start shooting. It just means they will start shooting from farther than if they also were invisible. Or in Pois that they are already behind cover because they sensed you before you see them
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And one of this perks could be that you detect bandits better. You start with nearly invisible bandits on the map. And while you improve your ability to detect them (for example with special eyeglasses that you can craft), your ability to see them increases. This would be fit in an RPG.