My understanding is that the auger is a rare Southern Hemisphere model and so the rotation animation is correct.
Maybe you`re right
but still with the rotary motion, drilling would be impossible
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Maybe you`re right
but still with the rotary motion, drilling would be impossible
You use the word "diminishing returns". But there are no diminishing returns with at least 1 perk point in LotL if you farm correctly (like quantum did with converting seeds until he had the same number of seeds again for the next harvest).
The returns are only diminishing if you refuse to convert a part of the harvest to seeds. But then that is your own fault.
Lets look at his example with PP1 (aka LotL=1) yucca, the one seed with the worst return in PP1: He planted 25 seeds, got only back 8. So he converted 85 of the 100 yucca he got back to seeds. Result: The new harvest is again with 25 seeds, and he stil gained 15 yucca on top. For the WORST harvest of all his seeds.
If you still see diminishing returns with LotL=1 or higher, please explain.
By the way, according to TFP seed production from harvest with no points in LotL is a losing bargain on purpose.
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v3tro
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From Quantums provided table you get a diminishing returns without spending a perk point.
But at that point one could wonder if you even should be able to farm safely without investing into farming.
As I see it you find seeds by looting -> plant them and be happy that you got some food out of those seeds without perks instead of wanting unlimited food supply from them.
Xeens point is that he sees diminishing returns even with 1 or 2 perk points invested.
But I will edit my post now to make it clearer.
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Laz Man
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It looks like it is working as intended mostly based on his small test. 1 perk point investment is not a lot to ask imo.
Uncle Al
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I don't understand what they're seeing if that is their point?
There are no dimishing returns except for zero perk points in that table.
A diminishing return would be a negative number in the final column. There aren't any except for zero perk points.
Even the really unlucky crops like only getting six corn seeds back with two perk points are showing a net gain.
Diminishing returns on zero perk points is by design. The stated intention is that crafting seeds is a bad idea if you have no farming skill at all.
Jost Amman
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hoto: 
Matt115
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I mean good old corpse. She is just alive so meh. She can't be source of bones
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A lot of people have posted dissenting opinions, so not everyone is happy. But everyone happy is NEVER the case anyway when a feature changes or has its balance changed.
In my opinion a seed that I get back should just stay in the plot so the replanting isn't so tedious. But mostly I don't like all the clicking necessary to recraft seeds and put them into the plots again, switching around all the different seed stacks into the toolbelt and out again. Just too many clicks for my taste. But this is critizising the UI, not the harvest returns, which I find quite ok.
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Roland
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QFT. If you have not spent any points on Living off the land you should not be trying to build a huge farm. You should just plant whatever seeds you find and harvest the crops for food and live off of whatever you manage to get as a supplement to however else you are getting food--presumably hunting.
With one perk point spent you can slowly and painfully build a farm but often with setbacks. With two and with three perk points spent it gets easier and faster to build up a self sustaining farm.
It matters and it isn't just your small voice there are lots of voices saying the same thing you are. Its just that this whole debate raged at the beginning of A19 when the changes first hit the fan, so to speak, and that was about 2 years ago. You're just late to the party. TFP did spreadsheets and tests before it was ever released to experimental. Then when a lot of voices said the same thing you did, lots of people did exactly what Quantum Blue just did and we all talked about it and TFP saw all of it and internalized it and made the decision to keep things largely as they are. They DID adjust LotL 2 so that it was better than it was and that was thanks to community feedback.
It really is simply that everything that is being brought up now (including the math, spreadsheets, and tests) were done vigorously and thoroughly by people internal to TFP and people external to TFP a long time ago and they are very unlikely to change farming at this point and what they have chosen is definitely not out of some lack of understanding about the ramifications of the math. They really truly don't believe that a self-sustaining farm should be possible unless at least one point is spent in farming.
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zztong
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You voice matters, I'm sure, but you're not getting uniform and extensive concurrence.
My personal preference would be not to have to replant. But, by the time I'm ready to focus on farming, I can make converting produce back into seeds and replanting into a minor annoyance. Until I get Living Off The Land 3, I don't bother to plant a farm and I just bank seeds and produce.
Update - How about Living Off the Land 4 means not having to replant but doesn't drop a seed? I'd take it, mostly because I'm lazy.
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Laz Man
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I mean good old corpse. She is just alive so meh. She can't be source of bones
I dunno, did you ask Snowdog?
You don't even need the tppoi command anymore. After enabling debug mode, there is a button next to the exit button as well.
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Matt115
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Blake_
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@Roland can you tell us more about the perks that are filling the "crafting gap" that magazines opened? It would be quite exciting to be able try out new things brought up by those new additions. The best part of magazines is that there will be more of that "perky stuff" for us to play with.
I mean, I believe madmole is on that with the team at the moment, right?
I mean, I believe madmole is on that with the team at the moment, right?
Roland
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You haven't perked into Forum Negotiations enough to convince me to spill those beans. Even if you did, I haven't perked nearly enough into Madmole Knuckle Rub Avoidance to risk it.
RipClaw
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That's a good point. It will be interesting to see what the recipes replace. Some perks are practically almost just recipes. Particularly worth mentioning here would be Grease Monkey, Advanced Engineering, and Master Chef.
Maybe we could collect ideas for perks. My idea would be a perk that reduces the heat from workstations so I don't have to deal with all this undead Karen's. The same for tools please
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