faatal
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Try using the console command "gfx g fps 200". That will show a graph of FPS, which may show short drops that do not appear in a single averaged FPS number.
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faatal
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With a 9 year old CPU, you should not have anything above medium and probably some settings on Low. My old 4790K needs medium/low settings to be playable. The 980ti at 720p should not be an issue.
Many Unity tasks have to be on the main thread and there is a fair amount of load on the graphics thread. That means those other 2 cores can not contribute to that load, which is why you typically see less that 50%. Your GPU use would not get that high, because it draws a frame and then is waiting on the main and gfx threads to finish the next frame.
Doomofman
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mstdv inc
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I've always played with the loot respawn disabled. I always play through a full city cleanup and relocation with the construction of a new base near a new city. Usually it is 70-80 days and 3 bases.
And for this reason I do not communicate with traders. I do not need an excuse to clear the POI, I will clear them all anyway.
Then he sends me to the next, closest trader, but I want to choose the place for the base myself and the city that I will clear next.
Therefore, I understand you. I also do not like the wonderful revival of loot in POI and the carefully packed backpack after death. I play with the complete removal of everything from both the hot bar and the backpack.
I found a way for myself to prolong the pleasure so as not to get bored by 70-80 days.
I am not using the power and intelligence tree in my new survival and I play with 25 experience multiplier and 50 loot multiplier. Lots of killed zombies, infections, broken legs and arms, 45 days and only 90 stage of the game. All the fun is yet to come!
I plan to survive for at least 200 days and clear the city in the desert, winter biome and in the wastelands in turn)
The game for me was revealed in a new way.
The A20 + is not the usual settings for my survival, this is the secret of my new cocktail of emotions. And damn it, I really like it!
Callum123456789
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yeah its nice to see it progressing in popularity its even higher right now the peak anyway
i mean you can shoot through damaged roll up doors but thats about it i think i remember seeing some experimental door tech on twitter a while ago when one of tfp broke the door it broke into pieces rather than disappearing i know its a side note but i don't really know where that went
DEATH MECHANIC
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too bad he didn't show how much better the game would run if it had vulkan support.
Tmodloader
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I am still confused on what Feral Sense does, does it just increase detection range or also increase sensitivity?
Blake_
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@faatal I've been testing performance like crazy these days and I found out that trees are still a big problem after all these years. They drop my frames a ~25% for every 100 animated trees on view, so there's that (from 81 to 50 fps avg in a normal place with my lowest settings)
-The GPU options in 7dtd are quite good and allow for downgrading all the way down to 4 gigs of total memory( 3.x gigs + garbage collection for a while) in 6k maps which is very nice. Trees are cheap in the distance, but their animations are expensive for the cpu when they are close.
-Is there a way to make an option to make the tree animations OFF-SIMPLE-FULL in order to significantly boost performance on every CPU-bottlenecked system? (Most of them) . And I'm not finished, lol:
-About the occluder: can you make it so the occluder reads the player's location and turns off when the player is outside POIs (and outside player bases if possible)? That way you will instafix the sneaky " vanishing trees bug " and even increase CPU performance outdoors for us.
More feedback:
The most damaging situation for my PC right now is a 64 entity horde hitting on walls. It drops to 14 fps and averages at 20fps. I can't think of a way to fix that though. I would love to hear your ideas on the subject.
Meshes perform good, the problem is that they don't. I'll be honest: they hit RAM and clog the system hard enough that players are experiencing what I was experiencing in a19 with a single channel 8gig ram and an hdd: instability, HUGE disk writting times and noticeable freezes with ssd too, most noticeable in larger worlds but also frequent in smaller ones. (plz check that if you own a potato) and other distance-related glitches (destroyed structures like a bunch of frames occasionally remaining visible when reentering the area) that also points to inadecuate memory clearing.
Edit I believe a good Hotfix would be: just reducing the default mesh options for below- medium presets would be ok, aside from mesh options' bugs of course.
Having an opposite thought on that memory clearing.... Precaching more data would be crazy..... wouldn't it be? Can it be done with other things aside from textures, like animations, spawns, block damage or pathing or am I saying nonsense here?
Thanks for reading. I hope this feedback helps if just a bit.
-The GPU options in 7dtd are quite good and allow for downgrading all the way down to 4 gigs of total memory( 3.x gigs + garbage collection for a while) in 6k maps which is very nice. Trees are cheap in the distance, but their animations are expensive for the cpu when they are close.
-Is there a way to make an option to make the tree animations OFF-SIMPLE-FULL in order to significantly boost performance on every CPU-bottlenecked system? (Most of them) . And I'm not finished, lol:
-About the occluder: can you make it so the occluder reads the player's location and turns off when the player is outside POIs (and outside player bases if possible)? That way you will instafix the sneaky " vanishing trees bug " and even increase CPU performance outdoors for us.
More feedback:
The most damaging situation for my PC right now is a 64 entity horde hitting on walls. It drops to 14 fps and averages at 20fps. I can't think of a way to fix that though. I would love to hear your ideas on the subject.
Meshes perform good, the problem is that they don't. I'll be honest: they hit RAM and clog the system hard enough that players are experiencing what I was experiencing in a19 with a single channel 8gig ram and an hdd: instability, HUGE disk writting times and noticeable freezes with ssd too, most noticeable in larger worlds but also frequent in smaller ones. (plz check that if you own a potato) and other distance-related glitches (destroyed structures like a bunch of frames occasionally remaining visible when reentering the area) that also points to inadecuate memory clearing.
Edit I believe a good Hotfix would be: just reducing the default mesh options for below- medium presets would be ok, aside from mesh options' bugs of course.
Having an opposite thought on that memory clearing.... Precaching more data would be crazy..... wouldn't it be? Can it be done with other things aside from textures, like animations, spawns, block damage or pathing or am I saying nonsense here?
Thanks for reading. I hope this feedback helps if just a bit.
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Tmodloader
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True, the increase in poi variety is great, I am still trying to decide whether to use feral sense or not. I don't want sneaking around to be useless but when I fire an unsilenced gun, I want it to be intense and all zombies around hear and start going for me if I fail to hide myself well enough. The problem is I am not sure if feral sense basically removes the ability to hide altogether.During the time until one person gets to the trader, takes the quest, gets to the POI, completes the quest, gets back to the trader and finishes the quest, I will clear several houses and get more profit not in money, but in total.
I prefer to just loot all the buildings in a row, instead of completing quests.
As time has shown, I get the items I need faster, I also don’t have to purposefully dig for iron at the initial stages, and by the time the production of cartridges begins, I get a large number of radiators from the POI and I don’t need to purposefully search for brass.
80% of the cobblestones that I find in buildings, I disassemble into stones, add all the cement. By the time the concrete production started, I already had 7800 cement and 1.5 stacks of stones.
Despite the trader's rewards, the loss of time does not pay off for me.
Perhaps because I do not use perks for additional rewards and do not use profitable barter.
It already depends on the style of play.
And there are too many cool POIs in A20 to be missing. I want to clean them all. I want to take a bath with new POIs and bathe in them. I am very happy about the variety of POIs.
I read tier 5 rewards are underwhelming so my goal right now is to clear out my first tier 5 and setup a holdout in one to make it interesting.
I still wonder how they could possibly implement bandits, part of me keeps thinking that's a dream and will end up being cut from release. The AI programming for bandits in this game sounds like a tremendous feat to achieve.
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mstdv inc
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I chose the compromise option; Wild Sense is only on at night.
By day I am the master, by night zombies and animals. I believe that everything is fair
If you want to clean the POI without haste, you go to it during the day, if you are bored and you want adventure - do it at night.
Laz Man
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New doors and windows like the cellar doors, roll up doors, and shutters can be shot through when they are partially broken. The older doors will get their pass once they are updated.
I chose the compromise option; Wild Sense is only on at night.
By day I am the master, by night zombies and animals. I believe that everything is fair
If you want to clean the POI without haste, you go to it during the day, if you are bored and you want adventure - do it at night.
I'm leaning more towards feral sense during the day since night time has running zed threat already.
If playing with no bloodmoons, I'd suggest feral sense on all the time.
I hear yah, there is a fine line between super OP aimbot AI that insta headshots you and blind bandits that can't shoot the broad side of a barn...
I have faith in faatal and the programming crew....
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Tmodloader
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Do you know what it does exactly? Can you still sneak effectively with Feral Sense if you try to sneak carefully?I chose the compromise option; Wild Sense is only on at night.
By day I am the master, by night zombies and animals. I believe that everything is fair
If you want to clean the POI without haste, you go to it during the day, if you are bored and you want adventure - do it at night.
n2n1
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Question about the new function introduced in A20:
What is the essence of the <property name="AllowedRotations" value="Basic 90"/>, which was intended for <block name="questGeneratorSmall"> ?
Do i understand correctly, that it was designed to block 45-degree rotation angles, but ....
it works exactly the same as <property name="OnlySimpleRotations" value="true"/>. That is, it is not an respective limiter now.
Does it work now as intended? Maybe there is some kind of omission? (bug?)
Or it's not ready yet ?
What is the essence of the <property name="AllowedRotations" value="Basic 90"/>, which was intended for <block name="questGeneratorSmall"> ?
Do i understand correctly, that it was designed to block 45-degree rotation angles, but ....
it works exactly the same as <property name="OnlySimpleRotations" value="true"/>. That is, it is not an respective limiter now.
Does it work now as intended? Maybe there is some kind of omission? (bug?)
Or it's not ready yet ?
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Feral sense increases the detection range for the Z's. Stealth reduces the player's output of detectables... Effectively, with Feral sense on and points into stealth it's a wash...until you have to go loud...and then all hell can break loose.
Yes, you can still sneak, but even without feral sense on, there is a chance to wake the entire sleeper volume now which has made stealth just a little spicy.
Tmodloader
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That sounds great, thank you, I'll try it on my next run probably since I dont want to touch the difficulty on my current permadeath, I've had some good intense moments so far. A20 is great.Feral sense increases the detection range for the Z's. Stealth reduces the player's output of detectables... Effectively, with Feral sense on and points into stealth it's a wash...until you have to go loud...and then all hell can break loose.
Yes, you can still sneak, but even without feral sense on, there is a chance to wake the entire sleeper volume now which has made stealth just a little spicy.
Khalagar
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Do you test with AMD equipment as well? With a 5600x cpu and 6900xt GPU I still get pretty rough frame drops sometimes at 1440p, especially in cities. Turning off dynamic mesh etc hasn't helped it for me.
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