Khalagar
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Hmm I noticed it showing the terrain but didn't notice city placement. For some reason I thought there was a tool where you could just give it your seed and it would tell spit out results
PC Alpha 20 Dev Diary
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Hmm I noticed it showing the terrain but didn't notice city placement. For some reason I thought there was a tool where you could just give it your seed and it would tell spit out results
MechanicalLens
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You have to zoom in to see city placement. If that doesn't work, log out of 7D2D, log back in, and try again. Occasionally it glitches out, or even crashes the game.
Laz Man
Fun Pimps Staff
Maybe continue the struggle keeps the debuffs while start refreshed removes them but gives some sort of timed rez sickness debuff which would also help prevent pvp abuse.
MechanicalLens
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Day 1. After battling back and forth in my mind, I decided to settle on 90 minute day length. This would give me ample time to walk around, immerse myself, and explore the world instead of sprinting 24/7.
I spent the early morning harvesting resources. I ended up gathering 2k wood, a couple hundred stone, 150 feathers and some eggs, and a couple hundred cotton and chrysanthemum flowers alongside a splash of goldenrod. I spawned in between two cities, right in view distance of each other, which was awesome. Trader Joel was to the Southern city about 300 meters away, so that was my first pitstop. I looted his compound (didn't get anything fancy) and I accepted a fetch quest from him.
The quest was across the road - an old ranch house - and luckily for me the supplies were on the first floor, so I busted my way through a couple section of wall, retrieved the goods and hauled myself back to the trader. I wasn't going to clear the POI yet if I wasn't going to get paid to do so. After placing a drop off chest the opposite side of the road from the trader compound, I handed in the goods and in return I was rewarded with 10 molotovs. I immediately accepted a second fetch quest, this time a couple hundred meters away.
I approached the office building and, to my luck, the supplies were basically beside the front door. I looted the satchel and much of the parking lot and the first floor of the building before returning to the trader to accept another 10 molotovs as a reward.
Deciding at the last minute to make this a base day 1 playthrough, I accepted another fetch quest for tomorrow - this one at a fast food joint - and purchased a wood splitter mod for my stone axe before leaving the compound and heading down a country road in the opposite direction. After finding a suitable location I immediately began construction on a 13 L x 7 W x 5 H wooden shack, making use of the new shutters in various locations. I dropped down my bedroll and storage. It was already getting late and I was dying of thirst and hunger. I returned to my initial drop chest in front of the trader and hauled my loot back to my shack.
First thing I did upon my return is I dumped everything off and began cooking up some charred meat. While it was cooking I filled up some jars with murky water in a nearby pond and began boiling up that as well. Deciding to loot one final POI before the day's end, I made my way to a nearby motel. Big mistake.
Thanks to the Feral Sense, I was detected as soon as I entered the bounds of the POI. To my absolute shock a feral Boe came rushing out of the back end of a trailer right in my direction. Almost out of stamina at this point, I hobbled my way to a nearby Working Stiff Tools service truck and attempted to nerd pole. Boe got three good hits on me, bringing me down to 44 total health, before I was successful in getting to higher ground. Boe responded by rushing up a flight of stairs and attempted to bash down a door, attempting to path to me. I place a couple frames in front of me and leaned over to one side. Boe immediately changed course and began bolting towards me. I backed off a tiny bit and Boe returned to the door. Completely out of stamina and with no hope of escape, I realized my opportunity. I leaned around the corner, waiting for Boe to make his move, and pelted an arrow at him. 20 arrows later (most of them missing) Boe fell down to the bottom floor and proceeded to begin bashing on another door. A few more arrows dropped him.
Thinking that my trials were finally over, I crawled over to an open part of the wall on the first floor and I noticed... a dog was inside. Declaring it a lost cause, I slowly slunk my way back to my shack, where I am currently holding out until morning.
Incredible stuff. Sure I could have done better by sprinting more and looting more POI's, but nothing could have prepared me for that day 1 feral and that potential dog fight. I'm now perfectly in love with A20. You and your crew have crafted a near perfect game @madmole.
I spent the early morning harvesting resources. I ended up gathering 2k wood, a couple hundred stone, 150 feathers and some eggs, and a couple hundred cotton and chrysanthemum flowers alongside a splash of goldenrod. I spawned in between two cities, right in view distance of each other, which was awesome. Trader Joel was to the Southern city about 300 meters away, so that was my first pitstop. I looted his compound (didn't get anything fancy) and I accepted a fetch quest from him.
The quest was across the road - an old ranch house - and luckily for me the supplies were on the first floor, so I busted my way through a couple section of wall, retrieved the goods and hauled myself back to the trader. I wasn't going to clear the POI yet if I wasn't going to get paid to do so. After placing a drop off chest the opposite side of the road from the trader compound, I handed in the goods and in return I was rewarded with 10 molotovs. I immediately accepted a second fetch quest, this time a couple hundred meters away.
I approached the office building and, to my luck, the supplies were basically beside the front door. I looted the satchel and much of the parking lot and the first floor of the building before returning to the trader to accept another 10 molotovs as a reward.
Deciding at the last minute to make this a base day 1 playthrough, I accepted another fetch quest for tomorrow - this one at a fast food joint - and purchased a wood splitter mod for my stone axe before leaving the compound and heading down a country road in the opposite direction. After finding a suitable location I immediately began construction on a 13 L x 7 W x 5 H wooden shack, making use of the new shutters in various locations. I dropped down my bedroll and storage. It was already getting late and I was dying of thirst and hunger. I returned to my initial drop chest in front of the trader and hauled my loot back to my shack.
First thing I did upon my return is I dumped everything off and began cooking up some charred meat. While it was cooking I filled up some jars with murky water in a nearby pond and began boiling up that as well. Deciding to loot one final POI before the day's end, I made my way to a nearby motel. Big mistake.
Thanks to the Feral Sense, I was detected as soon as I entered the bounds of the POI. To my absolute shock a feral Boe came rushing out of the back end of a trailer right in my direction. Almost out of stamina at this point, I hobbled my way to a nearby Working Stiff Tools service truck and attempted to nerd pole. Boe got three good hits on me, bringing me down to 44 total health, before I was successful in getting to higher ground. Boe responded by rushing up a flight of stairs and attempted to bash down a door, attempting to path to me. I place a couple frames in front of me and leaned over to one side. Boe immediately changed course and began bolting towards me. I backed off a tiny bit and Boe returned to the door. Completely out of stamina and with no hope of escape, I realized my opportunity. I leaned around the corner, waiting for Boe to make his move, and pelted an arrow at him. 20 arrows later (most of them missing) Boe fell down to the bottom floor and proceeded to begin bashing on another door. A few more arrows dropped him.
Thinking that my trials were finally over, I crawled over to an open part of the wall on the first floor and I noticed... a dog was inside. Declaring it a lost cause, I slowly slunk my way back to my shack, where I am currently holding out until morning.
Incredible stuff. Sure I could have done better by sprinting more and looting more POI's, but nothing could have prepared me for that day 1 feral and that potential dog fight. I'm now perfectly in love with A20. You and your crew have crafted a near perfect game @madmole.
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MisutoM
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I'd like to recant my previous comment against farms. After using them for about ~15 hours in game, I actually like them much more. I'm big enough to admit when I was wrong.
The math for new farms is in the player's favor enough that they are definitely still worth using. Level 1 LOTL yields ~1.5 per seed and level 3 yields ~3.5. If you have no points in living off the land, they are quite bad, but uh... That makes sense, if you don't know what you're doing, why would you expect to succeed infinitely on farming?
There are also a lot of interesting choices created for the player with the new system. Every time you harvest you end up with a blank slate of empty farm plots and need to decide how much you want to plant of each crop. Never once in 1000 hours of play time in alpha 19 did I rearrange my farm in a world. I estimated how much I'd consume, then math out how many to plant + a few extra to be safe. After doing that work once early in the alpha, every other game was just set and forget; 10 corn, 10 potatoes, 15 coffee, etc. Every single game reliably the same, it was efficient and easy, but boring and repetitive. Replanting does take time, but it's very little time, and it's time spent at your safe base so you aren't under pressure or anything but you are making more game choices about what crops to plant and how many of them.
In alpha 20, sometimes I high roll on seed returns and I have to decide if I invest in extra farms and/or seeds or if I just take the profit now and be happy and full. Heck, even low rolling is weirdly fun - do I give up nearly all my crops to keep the farm going or am I hungry enough now that I need to eat this, plant a smaller farm, and hope my luck turns around next time. Based on that choice my decisions elsewhere change, maybe I need to spend more dukes on food and stop to check more vending machines. Maybe I don't go mining today because I can't afford the extra calories yet so I need to make what minerals I have last a little bit longer. Difficult player choice in a survival game forcing you to adapt to the current game state is interesting and engaging, Choice is fun, even if they are tough choices, go figure.
I still maintain that farmBundle_03 needs a rework, 1 super corn seed and to a lesser extent 1 hops seed both feel bad. Hops is used in a lot of things now with grain alcohol being replaced by beer, and super corn can be important for duct tape heavy builds (like an archer spamming explosive arrows or perception bomb builds). 1 seed leaves a straight coin flip of being able to get things off the ground, and that feels bad when other rewards of the same tier at traders include an entire set of military armor or steel armor, or 500 concrete blocks, etc. Having played with the new farms for a while, I feel like the best change for this would be to make the bundle give 4 farms, 2 super corn seeds, and 2 hops seeds. It's not a huge change and doesn't require entire systems to change, but it lowers the chance of failing your farm to 1 in 32 vs 1 in 2 which is massive considering how small the buff to the bundle would be. 2 seeds is still going to be a very slow start to get two niche crop farms off the ground and expanding, and it still requires that you find the recipe for said seeds if you aren't speccing into higher LOTL levels.
Aside from that tiny niggle, 10/10 update all around, even the farm changes grew on me. Sorry @Gazz for whining so much, but I listened, gave them a fair chance, and you and the other devs were right. Player choice is fun, and choices shouldn't be easy in a survival game.
To others still down on the new farms: give them a chance. You might end up liking them more, and if you don't, you've still got all the other options. You can roll the dice trying to loot food. Roll the dice trying to hunt animals. Roll the dice to see if food is in stock in a vending machine or trader. Or roll the dice that your farm harvest is good this time. Whichever option feels more fun to you and matches your playstyle. The only thing we lost was a boring and consistent source of infinite food/duct tape, but we gained a more interesting system with a better average potential for those who invest in the skill, but also the chances to create interesting points of friction forcing us to make more choices.
The math for new farms is in the player's favor enough that they are definitely still worth using. Level 1 LOTL yields ~1.5 per seed and level 3 yields ~3.5. If you have no points in living off the land, they are quite bad, but uh... That makes sense, if you don't know what you're doing, why would you expect to succeed infinitely on farming?
There are also a lot of interesting choices created for the player with the new system. Every time you harvest you end up with a blank slate of empty farm plots and need to decide how much you want to plant of each crop. Never once in 1000 hours of play time in alpha 19 did I rearrange my farm in a world. I estimated how much I'd consume, then math out how many to plant + a few extra to be safe. After doing that work once early in the alpha, every other game was just set and forget; 10 corn, 10 potatoes, 15 coffee, etc. Every single game reliably the same, it was efficient and easy, but boring and repetitive. Replanting does take time, but it's very little time, and it's time spent at your safe base so you aren't under pressure or anything but you are making more game choices about what crops to plant and how many of them.
In alpha 20, sometimes I high roll on seed returns and I have to decide if I invest in extra farms and/or seeds or if I just take the profit now and be happy and full. Heck, even low rolling is weirdly fun - do I give up nearly all my crops to keep the farm going or am I hungry enough now that I need to eat this, plant a smaller farm, and hope my luck turns around next time. Based on that choice my decisions elsewhere change, maybe I need to spend more dukes on food and stop to check more vending machines. Maybe I don't go mining today because I can't afford the extra calories yet so I need to make what minerals I have last a little bit longer. Difficult player choice in a survival game forcing you to adapt to the current game state is interesting and engaging, Choice is fun, even if they are tough choices, go figure.
I still maintain that farmBundle_03 needs a rework, 1 super corn seed and to a lesser extent 1 hops seed both feel bad. Hops is used in a lot of things now with grain alcohol being replaced by beer, and super corn can be important for duct tape heavy builds (like an archer spamming explosive arrows or perception bomb builds). 1 seed leaves a straight coin flip of being able to get things off the ground, and that feels bad when other rewards of the same tier at traders include an entire set of military armor or steel armor, or 500 concrete blocks, etc. Having played with the new farms for a while, I feel like the best change for this would be to make the bundle give 4 farms, 2 super corn seeds, and 2 hops seeds. It's not a huge change and doesn't require entire systems to change, but it lowers the chance of failing your farm to 1 in 32 vs 1 in 2 which is massive considering how small the buff to the bundle would be. 2 seeds is still going to be a very slow start to get two niche crop farms off the ground and expanding, and it still requires that you find the recipe for said seeds if you aren't speccing into higher LOTL levels.
Aside from that tiny niggle, 10/10 update all around, even the farm changes grew on me. Sorry @Gazz for whining so much, but I listened, gave them a fair chance, and you and the other devs were right. Player choice is fun, and choices shouldn't be easy in a survival game.
To others still down on the new farms: give them a chance. You might end up liking them more, and if you don't, you've still got all the other options. You can roll the dice trying to loot food. Roll the dice trying to hunt animals. Roll the dice to see if food is in stock in a vending machine or trader. Or roll the dice that your farm harvest is good this time. Whichever option feels more fun to you and matches your playstyle. The only thing we lost was a boring and consistent source of infinite food/duct tape, but we gained a more interesting system with a better average potential for those who invest in the skill, but also the chances to create interesting points of friction forcing us to make more choices.
Aldranon
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Maybe a bug?:
Uninfected bears can infect you.
If that's how its suppose to be, will chickens and rabbits get you infected or just anything that bites?
If its in the air, does beathing air have a chance of infecting you? That would make the gas mask head piece the most important thing in the game.
Suspicious behavior:
Two vultures waited until I started reloading then BOTH attacked immediately. I had waited for them to come in for about 15 seconds, as they were attacking the out hanging right above me.
That was an anti-fun moment.
As in not conducive to enjoyment.
As in "Trollish" behavior (for a modern vernacular).
The answer is, of course, to play the "Circus" theme song during all combat.
Uninfected bears can infect you.
If that's how its suppose to be, will chickens and rabbits get you infected or just anything that bites?
If its in the air, does beathing air have a chance of infecting you? That would make the gas mask head piece the most important thing in the game.
Suspicious behavior:
Two vultures waited until I started reloading then BOTH attacked immediately. I had waited for them to come in for about 15 seconds, as they were attacking the out hanging right above me.
That was an anti-fun moment.
As in not conducive to enjoyment.
As in "Trollish" behavior (for a modern vernacular).
The answer is, of course, to play the "Circus" theme song during all combat.
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unlike them
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Jost Amman
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BFT2020
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Id was left in but ignored. Loot containers uses the names field now. That’s why any Alpha 19 mod that changes loot containers doesn’t work.
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jdifran
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See also: Road striping. Please either make it like grass, or change it so it can be destroyed in one shot, not a 150 hp "block" that harvests to stone.
Rizno
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Anyone else having performance degrade after a couple of hours or so of play? I'm mostly around the city biome which runs smooth up until that point, 60 - 90FPS. Then suddenly I go down to 30 - 40FPS if I'm looking towards the city. (which previously wouldn't drop my FPS at all)
It may be weather related I guess? Never had sudden drops in previous versions unless it was a crazy Blood Moon.
i5-9600K, GTX 1660 Ti, 16GB RAM
It may be weather related I guess? Never had sudden drops in previous versions unless it was a crazy Blood Moon.
i5-9600K, GTX 1660 Ti, 16GB RAM
Morloc
Arch Necromancer
Oh God, this. Please.
That friggan metal-grating noise. Argggh!
Allow the stuff on ~top~ of the blocks (grass, trees, nests, rocks) in the protected zone be taken, destroyed, etc. Don't allow the ground blocks blocks to be changed or built upon obviously. I'm guessing that the way the protection is coded makes this difficult, but it'd be nice someday.
-Arch Necromancer Morloc
outhous
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You can find all those things elsewhere outside the trader zones. I agree the sound is just horrific but there is nothing around a trader that you have to have, same stuff is usually found within a few hundred meters of the trade. Leave the traders stuff alone, do you go stealing flowers out of your neighbors yard?
zztong
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It really hasn't been a factor. The most likely time for me to die is day 1 when I have no armor, or in the first week when playing aggressively at night. There isn't an XP delay at those levels. Later in the game, when there is a penalty, death has been pretty rare and the time to wipe out the XP delay isn't really important.
Morloc
Arch Necromancer
Total protection inside the walls is fine, it's the area outside that's the issue. Gore piles right near the entrance, or large rocks you clip when driving back to the trader. I don't want to take their stuff, I just want to clean up their yards.
-Arch Necromancer Morloc
Question: Have the mechanics of feral sense vs. stealth been detailed yet? Does stealth just reduce feral range detection or is more going on with light/noise/distance?
Anecdotally, I have found with only 1 rank in stealth I am able to do stealth archer with some success, but it is definitely more challenging than before. The biggest difference feels like multiple zombies wake at once rather than the one at a time before. I'm rather enjoying the extra challenge.
Anecdotally, I have found with only 1 rank in stealth I am able to do stealth archer with some success, but it is definitely more challenging than before. The biggest difference feels like multiple zombies wake at once rather than the one at a time before. I'm rather enjoying the extra challenge.
outhous
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Morloc
Arch Necromancer
{I've noticed folks posting some technical/bug issues here, presumably for visibility with the new alpha. If this should be elsewhere, apologies, and please move}
Some random observations...
- I was having big "performance" issues when running on anything except the Low quality presets. My graphics card sounded like a hair-dryer. It's a 2080 TI and shouldn't have been seeing any major issues, but I couldn't hear the game anymore over the fans. Turns out, I was seeing 180+ FPS. I had Riva limit that to 80 and now back to running on Ultra with only the occasional fan surge.
p.s. What the hell happened to the price of video cards!?? I knew they'd gone up, but these things are more than double what I paid two years ago. Thanks for nothing Bitcoin!
- I have a lot of hours in the game, and for the first time ever I got "stuck" in the architecture rather than on it. I fell through a trap and into a wall unable to move (I could turn). Three zombies were laughing at me, but it turns out they were having a difficult time hitting me. I survived without armor on Insane because of the weird bug. I had to remove all the surrounding wall before I could free myself (I was trying to avoid the console).
- I've noticed an increase in yellow bag drops. Maybe 20%? Cool!
- Sneaking seems less reliable than before...(feral is off). My imagination?
- Farming has changed, but I've looked everywhere and can't find a hoe*. Where to look for a nice ho, ho, ho?? ...Santa of course!
*No, I'm not actually looking for a hoe. There's no need until I find enough fertilizer.
-Arch Necromancer Morloc
Some random observations...
- I was having big "performance" issues when running on anything except the Low quality presets. My graphics card sounded like a hair-dryer. It's a 2080 TI and shouldn't have been seeing any major issues, but I couldn't hear the game anymore over the fans. Turns out, I was seeing 180+ FPS. I had Riva limit that to 80 and now back to running on Ultra with only the occasional fan surge.
p.s. What the hell happened to the price of video cards!?? I knew they'd gone up, but these things are more than double what I paid two years ago. Thanks for nothing Bitcoin!
- I have a lot of hours in the game, and for the first time ever I got "stuck" in the architecture rather than on it. I fell through a trap and into a wall unable to move (I could turn). Three zombies were laughing at me, but it turns out they were having a difficult time hitting me. I survived without armor on Insane because of the weird bug. I had to remove all the surrounding wall before I could free myself (I was trying to avoid the console).
- I've noticed an increase in yellow bag drops. Maybe 20%? Cool!
- Sneaking seems less reliable than before...(feral is off). My imagination?
- Farming has changed, but I've looked everywhere and can't find a hoe*. Where to look for a nice ho, ho, ho?? ...Santa of course!
*No, I'm not actually looking for a hoe. There's no need until I find enough fertilizer.
-Arch Necromancer Morloc
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