PC Alpha 20 Dev Diary
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Darklegend222
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Quests got plenty of love, especially when you unlock the "special" quests for trade routes. I'm not sure how far you made it but it gets a lot better, I won't spoil anything for ya. I forgot to mention that we can also do lower tiered quests even when we unlock higher tiers!
icehot
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I like the having to replant thing, makes it more of a mechanic to deal with, I also like the seed loss thing, food is a struggle now, and that's a good thing - however, I do think that there's nothing wrong with decreasing the chance of seed loss if you're spec'ing higher up into living off the land - or perhaps a book that can teach you to recover seeds better. That way there's some investment in the whole process.
Aldranon
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I don't see any airship builds, not the baby ones, I'm talking about Hindenburg size! A20 is completely broken because of that...
Don't worry, you'll probably not live too long anyway.
Once a pack of the REAL spider zombies (Demons?) get on you, you'll die pretty quick without a good high rate of fire weapon.
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CoolJ
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Not exactly. Can you guarantee that every random gen map will have a Carl's Corn POI? In A19, I had several worlds without. I asked this question already and got no answer. Super corn is the only reason to farm at all. There is so much meat out there, I already have three stacks on day six. I am not even going out of my way to get it. I am just killing the animals I see and the ones the game throws at me. Like the day four wolf horde that showed up at my base.
If you couldn't survive on meat then this whole farming business is extra harsh because you would have to put your first six points in the game into farming just to stay alive. By the time you get any kind of glue farm established, you won't even need it anymore. You will have already struggled to boil down every bone you can find to make the things you needed the glue for a long time since. This also kinda screws people that would rather have a small farm on the roof of their base. Now you need a considerably bigger farm than before. Roughly twice the size. So the usual 7x7 plot I plant on top of my base will have to be 14x14 now. That ain't gonna fit on my roof.
Burrfly
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No, you aren't the only one. I adressed the same issue. Some might find it cool because, well, guns ARE cool, but I think that we shouldn't be able to spray around all the time and get so much ammo back. In my opinion ammo should be used only when necessary because it's scarce, for example when a horde is coming running to you and not just to spray into a random POI just because we have so much ammo. I think it makes it even more fun to use a gun when we don't have much ammo, because this makes us think about it and use it in special accasions like 'holy crap, there is a horde with some ferals coming to us, I hope I have enough ammo'. This makes it more of a challenge, instead of just powpowpowpow and you kill the entire horde because you have stacks and stacks of ammo, even in the early stage of the game.
In the Discord there are also multiple people saying the same thing as you, that there spawns too much ammo. So, no, you aren't the only one. I'm happy that other people think this too
Aldranon
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You can survive on meat with cooking -1.
On another topic: The Archer class has become comparatively much stronger in A20! As strong, if not stronger than strength class!
The Ammo savings for emergencies only is maybe the biggest deal. Cheapo stone arrows will clear all the basic zombies and is OK for BM nights.
It's also a ambiance build for me, as that is probably how I would be like in a crazy apocalyptic situation that is 7D2D!
On another topic: The Archer class has become comparatively much stronger in A20! As strong, if not stronger than strength class!
The Ammo savings for emergencies only is maybe the biggest deal. Cheapo stone arrows will clear all the basic zombies and is OK for BM nights.
It's also a ambiance build for me, as that is probably how I would be like in a crazy apocalyptic situation that is 7D2D!
Burrfly
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Thank you for also adressing this, well, kinda gamebreaking issue because it removes the fun if we have so much ammo. It may even be a bug, or someone accidentally wrote some 0's too much behind the ammo reward value
Blake_
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Yes, that's what I meant by trader list. They are also independent and give amazing bundles and rewards so that is nice. But the list is useless if you can restart the game as many times as you want until you find the POI you want, or if you fancy doing 15 buried in the same day with your auger, or doing the same crack a book or Supercorn POI 5 times in the same day (by restarting and reseting trader quests) or whatever. Bad exploit.
Khalagar
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Oh yeah, @MisutoM I asked you in chat but you weren't the right build to test it, but I can confirm, maxing the quest rewards perk *does* let you take two options for the trader tier upgrade rewards too and it's awesome. I rushed to max out the trader reward quest and it's very nice to get to pick between two to see what they give
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POCKET951
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one of the things I do like about the new farming is that it seems more immersive. your crops are valuable and can be damage by zombie's, in A19 if a spitter spat on your crops they would turn to seeds, now you would lose the harvest.
so now when making your garden there needs to be thought and effort made to protect and defend your crops, which I think is really neat. and with the A20 shape menu you overhaul you should be able to make some kind of janky structure resembling a greenhouse
and yes, I can get on board with the idea of getting experiencing for planting seeds because alot of other things you interact with in the world also give exp. so it doesn't make sense that planting seeds gives none.
on a side note, I think living off the land could be spruced up a bit, no pun intended. something like a 50 percent chance to make an extra farm plot instead of just 1, or maybe even a 5 or 10% chance to craft 2 seeds instead of one, or maybe even a small reduction in time for plants to mature. Just something to make it not feel entirely worthless or wasteful, but also something that doesn't tinker with the yield yet improves farming a bit.
What if LoTL 2 increased the exp you got from farming?
Just throwing random ideas, but I do think LoTL rank 2 could use a bit of love
Blake_
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I found the ancient hidden bug that sometimes deletes a consumable forever (books, food, water, schematics, you name it) without a trace.
I want you guys to look at it and help to track it down to the exact reproduce steps, which is a combination of keys registered in this post with videos of the issue.
Thanks !
I want you guys to look at it and help to track it down to the exact reproduce steps, which is a combination of keys registered in this post with videos of the issue.
Thanks !
Aldranon
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As an experiment I pushed Lucky looter (You can get LL-3 after the first POI mission):
I think something is broken here as my loot is twice as good: Tier-2 MG with good ammo, much more stuff than I've seen before in A20.
I'm getting an egg about every other nest as that just ends any food problem. (I put a point in hunter so food is now a non-issue).
I believe there is some math problem with LL or is this the "Monty Hall Show" Perk? (You get... Another NEW CAR!!)
UPDATE
So RNG plays a BIG part, only two eggs on day 2, but I did get 3 wrenches on day 1 plus the tier 2 Pipe MG and a bunch of eggs.
Also on day 2...
A dire wolf was waiting for me the morning of day 2, I killed him and the time it took me to go from the back yard to the front (I trolled the wolf to a setup in the backyard) A BEAR was there in its place. At least it [SIZE=14.6px]wasn't[/SIZE] a zombie bear I guess. I trolled him over to the traders compound and hit him with my (now) [SIZE=14.6px]legendary teir 1 club. he died too. Lots more meat![/SIZE]
I think something is broken here as my loot is twice as good: Tier-2 MG with good ammo, much more stuff than I've seen before in A20.
I'm getting an egg about every other nest as that just ends any food problem. (I put a point in hunter so food is now a non-issue).
I believe there is some math problem with LL or is this the "Monty Hall Show" Perk? (You get... Another NEW CAR!!)
UPDATE
So RNG plays a BIG part, only two eggs on day 2, but I did get 3 wrenches on day 1 plus the tier 2 Pipe MG and a bunch of eggs.
Also on day 2...
A dire wolf was waiting for me the morning of day 2, I killed him and the time it took me to go from the back yard to the front (I trolled the wolf to a setup in the backyard) A BEAR was there in its place. At least it [SIZE=14.6px]wasn't[/SIZE] a zombie bear I guess. I trolled him over to the traders compound and hit him with my (now) [SIZE=14.6px]legendary teir 1 club. he died too. Lots more meat![/SIZE]
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So far the most glaring reminder I'm playing an experimental has been stumbling across this lake:
So far so good, otherwise. My computer crashed once (not the game's fault, I accidentally unplugged it when it was running hot) and the game loaded back up fine. Last time that happened in alpha 19 my whole game was corrupted.
So far so good, otherwise. My computer crashed once (not the game's fault, I accidentally unplugged it when it was running hot) and the game loaded back up fine. Last time that happened in alpha 19 my whole game was corrupted.
Zodiark69
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AdminUnknown
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Morloc
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It was like a windchime, with all those candy tins falling out of the corn!
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Ok, understood. And I agree, there are ideas you can reject on principle
Obviously TFP didn't reject the new farming on prinicple because they have a different viewpoint than you and their testers seem to have not objected on principle or after (however short or long) play-testing either. When farming was changed away in A15 from a rather similar system there were protests as well and (without yet playing) a lot of people here have said they like the change principally.
Which means this is an idea that can't be rejected on principle since seemingly intelligent people seem to be on both sides of this fence. Ergo play-testing is necessary and getting some overall feedback from all players out there, optimally after they have played more than one world while adapting to the changes.
And that is exactly what I like with the new system. Now you are on the lookout for seeds or even single potatoes again. I have been playing for roughly 17 hours now and started a famr. And I already adapted a little and tried to make seeds for plants I want long-term and just use the produce of plants I deem less important (like coffee as this is found easily in kitchens). Long term I expect to use a smaller farm with less overproduction (and more build-to-order
), but we will see.The principle TFP is probably after is "Everything in loot is valuable all the time". I don't think this will ever be 100% true (there is a end game recipe missing that needs 100 plant fiber for example
) , but for me the game is slowly going in that direction.
Blake_
Captain Obvious
My brain just rejected the notion of the principle of the farming rejection theory. I'm so confused right now .
What is seed seduction? My, my.
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