PC Alpha 20 Dev Diary
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bdubyah
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Meh, same difference. Still means it's probably off by a bit. And obviously early on hitting a run of bad luck of losing seeds could kill your farm for a bit till you find more seeds. Which to me is a good thing. And also, maybe just give it a chance and see how it feels, not what it seems like it will be after putting together a probability table.
For all the people complaining about this change, I haven't really seen any suggestions on what else could be done to balance food. Someone said in all games food is never a problem after early game. That isn't really helpful and just means most games haven't come up with a good solution/don't care enough to make changes. Spoilage is one, and I think would work well in this game if it was how ARK's is. It just doesn't work well in that game because most things are stupid easy to get. But in 7 Days when you only have a small stack of corn or something, losing one every few hours or whatever would be a much bigger deal. To me, a farm, even fully perked into, should maybe barely sustain you. As in, you would need to still do at least some hunting or scavenging to supplement the farm. Fully perked out you could go longer between those hunting/scavenging trips, but you couldn't ignore it completely or it would cost you.
Just my opinions though. I know they have to balance for somewhere in the middle of their player base, and I'm on the side that would prefer more challenging, unforgivings survival elements.
Khalagar
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I feel like Rimworld / Stellaris style DLC is the future for the game. Each of these new Alphas could mostly be a new DLC package on their own if not for all the base game changing stuff.
People get their pantsu in a twist over games like Stellaris that have a bajillion DLC, but those are some of my favorite games, so I like when a new update comes out and brings you back to the game after an 8 month break
People get their pantsu in a twist over games like Stellaris that have a bajillion DLC, but those are some of my favorite games, so I like when a new update comes out and brings you back to the game after an 8 month break
Aldranon
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DLC's are the way small game companies survive. Another small game company is Paradox Games. They make all kinds of war games and survive by selling DLC's.
unholyjoe
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this is so true... but and i mean it in a nice way as to not offend anyone.... play it as is and learn to adapt and then we are back to square one because the rough parts are at the start to scramble to keep food in belly... dont make it a point to keep the food bar at top notch but keep it up enough to not get a penalty and after you get used to how fast food drains (until) you perks into a few things then it will get easier to manage.
changes are what kills the players if they arent willing to learn to adapt to those changes and over come them.
seriously, probably within a week we will see people complaining how easy it is and the changes are easy to over come.
hiemfire
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That extremely likely early run of bad "luck" can and probably will kill farming for all but the most diehard "survival" players, like yourself.
Also, my position isn't just from running a probability estimate, it comes from having watched the 50% seed return in action and having played other games with similar rng systems.
Players are going to be lucky to have even a rudimentary farm going late mid game (GS 80 - 90 or so) without focusing almost entirely on it to the detriment of everything else they need to do to prep for 7th days and with the parallel nerfing of food in loot, the increased food and water drain implemented in A19, and the crap return from the basic cooked goods even the ones that don't have their sprint key krazy glued down will be having to do multiple consecutive horde nights starving. If any more than a third of the players that have picked this game up keep playing past the start of hour 8 then TFP should count their blessings.
Khalagar
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Excited to hear all of your impressions after tomorrow. Apart from the streamer weekend hype train, the team did get alot of fixes/adjustments in from it. Hopefully that translates into an even more polished release for everyone else come tomorrow.
Aw, having to work on the weekend. Hopefully the general reception has been encouraging / positive for them and not just overly negative on the drone / farming etc stuff
hiemfire
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On @Khalagar's note: Game looks beautiful. The RWG in the pregen I've had the pleasure to see is sweet. I'm liking what I've seen of the new entry tier weapons, especially the multi target ability the pipe baton looks to have (saw allot of normal swings being able to hit 2-3 enemies at a time triggering a bunch of multi-staggers and a few double knockdowns). Glad to see the aoe speew for the new rad zombie that was mentioned when the render for it was teased got implemented. Makes me wish I could nametag one and use it as a glowing fountain 
, it'd light things up nicely.
, it'd light things up nicely.Beelzebubs Ghost
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this is so true... but and i mean it in a nice way as to not offend anyone.... play it as is and learn to adapt and then we are back to square one because the rough parts are at the start to scramble to keep food in belly... dont make it a point to keep the food bar at top notch but keep it up enough to not get a penalty and after you get used to how fast food drains (until) you perks into a few things then it will get easier to manage.
changes are what kills the players if they arent willing to learn to adapt to those changes and over come them.
seriously, probably within a week we will see people complaining how easy it is and the changes are easy to over come.
What happens to all the players that play alone or in nomadic small groups that want to set up and grab some food for their travels, to see them over a few days?
Solution? Slider, or some other option to diminish crops.
Not a solution? Blanketing everyone to appease those who don't farm and/or are relatively indifferent to it, and/or who have been almost mute about this until the change, and/or haven't expressed great feedback in public displays of joy regarding mods that added such realistic depth to farming.
That mind sound biased, and though I am personally, (that is biased in favour of retaining the old system based on what I've heard, which doesn't need the qualifier but I will add it anyway - but am yet to experience), I seek to point out the reality of relative quiet until the new changes.
Reminds me of the number of people who wanted digging zombies, many justifying the addition in their opposition to underground bases, or who just never built them. Now zombies dig and for single players that want a refuge for a single horde, they get dug down to. Much like the seemingly redundant crop yield and the mechanic of seeds disappearing, zombie digging came with the understanding that respawning (underground and elsewhere) would disengage the horde unless you went back into the fray.
It's just very weird...
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Gazz
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In A19 you could farm and have exponential growth with 0 points invested. Now you need to have at least 1 point invested to make a profit.
Marinxar
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Yeah, I been advocating for something like this as well. It's been many years that we have enjoyed the free development of the game. Once it goes Gold, they should really add a few nice packages as paid DLC.
Beelzebubs Ghost
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Can you just give a straight answer to one question please Gazz...
Will max spec in Living Off the Land guarantee replant or seed return?
Beelzebubs Ghost
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Thank you for the reply.
Given that maximum perking still gives nothing but chance harvest, that will be one of the first thingd I seek to mod out.
I find the change absurd and damaging to farming (under the assumption of your information being correct and not subject to change,) but the developers will do as they please.
Oh well.
pyronical
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To his point though, do you then think there should be a perk to guarantee hunting drops or finding food in pantries/fridges etc? I always ended up with an infinite supply of seeds in A19, I'd end up building a few stacks of each seed and then just having to chuck them out whenever I harvested it. The nerf seems necessary.
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Khalagar
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I feel like people are fine with that, it's more just the rng that's the issue, since even with 1 point you can lose the gamble and go negative. Which isn't that big of a deal for normal crops, it's more just that if it happens on your super corn you will be pretty salty
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