PC Alpha 20 Dev Diary
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Matt115
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Nope just parelluniverse things you know XD well in my universe snowdog sacrifice his... hmmm... "best friend" and became monk , half life 2 ep3 was even in newsstands. Damn good times.Adam the Waster said:
Well until things... happend... well faatal were worker in nuclear factory and then... well... it was so strangeXD But now i'm here to talk about newsstands skeletons and cats nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! ^^
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Matt115
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oh no oh now it...must..be... SYMMETRICAL!!!!Outlaw_187 said:
Okay i have very strange dream- @faatal with someone create mod which add yj beast boy monke variant ( young justice season 2 beastboy prefere "halve monkey shape" that being human) as zombie (!?). So i decided to take my car and go to shop .
Conclusion?
Well maybe this will not suit's to vanilila but as mod it would be so coool UwU
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Khalagar
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Int perk line has several issues. The critics raise valid points pointing out inconsistencies where it doesn't make sense / doesn't match the other trees, the defenders just go "Yeah but you can just use a shotgun lol" and "yeah but that makes it different from the other perk lines, which is better for some reason!" basically as their only defense.
Int isn't awful or anything, but it does need a bit of tender love and care imo because it's just not consistent with the design logic of the other trees.
The TLDR; of issues for me at least is
* No tier 0 or even tier 1 ranged int weapon like every other tree has, so you have no use for junk ammo until way into the game, since the tier 1 int weapon can't use it either, so you don't even have your only ranged weapon until the steel age
* No tier 3 weapon at all for the baton or robotic line. When your friends are running around clearing entire bloodmoon hordes with M60s and Autoshotguns you are . . . . also using those and competing with them for ammo
* Expensive perk line. You can't invest into the robotic perk line until 5 int I believe, so even if you did have a robotic sledge in the first day somehow you wouldn't even be able to build around it until you had invested a lot of points into int
Int basically doesn't have an early game weapon or late game weapon, it's only got mid game stuff. Late game I don't even really bother with robotic turrets and just use sledges, because the turrets will drain tens of thousands of iron to do the same thing that an unperked molotov and unperked autoshotgun can do, and early game you quite literally don't even *have* an option. Unless you plan to play the entire first week using a pipe baton and nothing else, int users just have to shrug and invest in a different tree and use a club and shotgun like everyone else
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Matt115
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In my opinon INT is support MP class- you know - get a lot of tokens crate tools for rest of the team- 1 person farming 2 cooking , someone looting and helping INT guy with quests and int guy is making advance crafting/ base defender/trader
Khalagar
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I agree with that, but it's mostly just the inconsistent design philosophy that I think makes it seem wonky, especially because . . . there's no reason for it to be wonky besides just "It is the way it is"
Like, what exactly is lost by Int having a tier 0 blow pipe you can make out of a pipe, that shoots junk ammo? What detriment to the int class, other players, and game as a whole, is there for the Int to fall in line with the others and have a week 1 melee and ranged weapon combo that actually scales with their point investment?
Strength is also where most of the "support" perks are, including the entire cooking and mining line, but . . . it also just has a functional weapon combo at all stages of the game
Like, what exactly is lost by Int having a tier 0 blow pipe you can make out of a pipe, that shoots junk ammo? What detriment to the int class, other players, and game as a whole, is there for the Int to fall in line with the others and have a week 1 melee and ranged weapon combo that actually scales with their point investment?
Strength is also where most of the "support" perks are, including the entire cooking and mining line, but . . . it also just has a functional weapon combo at all stages of the game
khzmusik
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Roland said:
I think it's quite telling that most people who are complaining, are complaining about weaponry. And not, say, the lack of crafting perks in the strength attribute tree.
Personally, my only serious complaint is that Master Chef should be under Fortitude and not Strength. It makes zero sense to be under Strength, which is otherwise specialized mainly in "tank" combat and mining perks.
Also, I might possibly prefer swapping Pummel Pete and The Brawler, but it's not a serious complaint, more a slight preference. I only think Pummel Pete belongs in Fortitude because otherwise Strength is a bit too OP.
Otherwise the attribute trees make a good deal of sense, if you consider that they're not all supposed to be combat trees. Consider that Intelligence is the tree for traps and turrets; workstations; vehicles; and health recipes - and it's already incredibly powerful. Adding combat perks that are as good as the other trees would make it way overpowered.
EDIT: Though, I do agree that the Intelligence skill point costs are pretty wonky. They don't match any other tree, and you can't even spec into the first level of many perks until mid game.
(p.s. counting down until this entire topic is moved to the Discussions thread)
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Roland
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SnowDog1942
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Blake_
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Ah, yes.
Excellent.NukemDed said:btw, boobs seem to give the best overall qol pekrs imho
hard to beat
no encumbrance at night
land mines dont detonate when stepped on
cigar
and more i forget right now.... cheershic
Fantastic. Really neat.Roland said:
That can't be.stallionsden said:
I see. Culture.Adam the Waster said:
It's boobs.
He gets it.
Aldranon
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And this is the key, even if you wanted to stay away from strength, you almost cant as a solo player. The temptation of playing strength ("Just one more time.") is compelling.
With strength at "full power", a tweaked auto-shotgun and lots of ammo... (Lets add a tweaked set of heavy armor, because YEAH BABY!)
Everyone knows what happens when you step into ANY POI (as of A19 anyways).
They're all speed runs. Admittedly, I LOL'd myself through many POI's and made timed runs through the tougher ones. (Edit: Clearing runs that is)
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Matt115 said:
I distinctly remember that the developers said something about the gun arsenal being done, A20 will just fill in some holes. If you want to be a game designer, get in line, all forum users here are hobby game designers but don't want to work for it. But the only real way to be a game designer is to mod and actually do the work. So, as a free hint: Propose smaller changes with watertight arguments and you might actually see one of your concepts come to reality. Like the newsstand
BFT2020
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That is strictly a personel choice.
My last several playthroughs in Alpha19 (break until Alpha20 comes out to give me a chance to play games I neglected, like BattleTech) I did builds where my focus was either on Perception, Agility, or Intelligence. And yes, I only play SP.
Sure I could go Strength; and sure, it would allow me to do speed runs through POIs and make me OP to anything the hordes can throw at me....but where is the enjoyment in making the game easier for me? I want to fight off wandering hordes with nothing but my knife; I want to have to take my time to clear out a POI using caution and cleverness, not just walk through it like a tank (or run though it).
A valid concern. But this is in line with INT being a support/not-gearde-towards-fighting class and leeching on other trees weapons. Besides the one or two points people playing other attributes usually put into their gun perks you are their equal using their guns. As long as junk ammo isn't found in early loot that still seems fine by me if you look at the other advantages of the INT player.
Basically every complaint about INT is about its weak weaponry. Doh, weaponry isn't INTs strong suit, it is supposed to be underdeveloped. Thanks @khzmusik for making this point
Depends largely how many players you are in MP. There are 4 general ammo types besides scrap ammo, as long as you are not more than 4 players there is always a "free" ammo type you can select. Note that PER and FOR players automatically use the same ammo and THEY don't have a choice to avoid that competition like the INT player has.
Once you are 5 players there is unavoidably a competition around ammo that has nothing to do with INT.
Agree on it being expensive. It fits with INT being NOT a combat-centered attribute aka class. And this discussion is primarily like every other "my class is nerfed" discussion in every other RPG game. "Yeah, but I want the strengths of my class but no downsides". Sorry, that wasn't the idea, accept the weaknesses of your class or play a different one
Oh, again the myth of an unperked weapon being useless. Are you really telling me you can't kill basic zombies with an unperked melee weapon full of mods you easily bought from the trader? The trader still is OP in A19 and you seem to miss what you can do with that when you can afford ANY weapon he has earlier than other players.
By the way, the tier3 INT "weapons" being totally defense-oriented is a big sign from the devs that says "Don't use this class if you want a conventional gun-toting warrior". Expecting them to balance INT so it keeps up weapon-wise with other attributes when there are so many red flags pointing the other direction is IMHO a lost cause. THey want INT to be offensively challenged and when you compare that with support classes of some shooters we even came away with a much better deal!
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The idea to have the scrap baton having a ranged ability is actually not bad (if that was what you were proposing). Since this is still alpha, who knows if there will be a tier0 turret eventually, but what exact properties it will have (it might just be a weaker sledge turret again) I can't even guess
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You are mentioning balance, but then your argument goes on about it "reflecting someone" who has high intelligence instead of hand eye coordination. That is not a balance argument.
8 perks instead of 10 is possibly a balance argument but ignores that the perks itself have vastly different value. I would say demolition is one of the prime PER perks, without it PER would be the pariah of all attribute classes.
In my view the sledge turret is by far the most ammo-saving item on horde nights in the game, ahead of electric fence and blade trap. But junk turrets are more useful in POIs as safety/support device. Since I lately played too much MP where we always had a miner in the group I can't judge ammo efficiency correctly, but I can say that as a precaution against dying junk turrets are excellent.
Laz Man
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Would be great if the junk sledge/turret would transform into the drone when you got a certain distance from it the followed you lol. This would be a interesting QoL improvement since the player wouldn't have to double back to pick it up. Somehow make the transformation process tied to an existing INT perk so its exclusive to tree and not a function everyone could use it.
Since sledge/turret's don't draw aggro from zeds, its best use in POIs come into play for bigger encounters/set pieces, and that assumes you have the foresight to know where those encounters are.
PBRstreetgang
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You do realize you can pick up a robotic sledge or gun and use it as a weapon right? And yes, it loses it's perk bonuses, but that does make them very mobile.
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