Callum123456789
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everything feels much more funner with all the new weapons and stuff new books are great loot is balanced more than ever to be honest and overall it's just fun, fun and more fun on top for me lol
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No, it was me saying FORtitude gets the weakest melee weapon because it got the best ranged.
I don't fear infections after about day 5, when honey and antibiotics stack in my medicine chest. All the other critical effects are bigger hindrances, the worst is broken leg. If I could get knuckles without the infection protection but 1 or 2 damage more, I would gladly take those instead.
Iron tools and tier1 weapons need a forge (mostly for the forged iron) and a workbench. But the forge is already impossible to build without RNG, because a short iron pipe is made from forged iron, for which you need .... a forge. And you might be able to build a primitive bow, but no arrows, because they need feathers from RNG. But apart from these nitpicks you are correct, there is a range of tools, armor and weapons that are accessible without RNG.
And your "baseline" is still a practically unusable metric. If you roll a die 50 times, there is a chance that not one roll was a 6. But that chance is negligible, especially when you can add another 50 rolls if you are that one unlucky guy in a group of 9100 people. In a game with hundreds of loot boxes the player has unlimited "rolls". And then we also have the trader as a fallback RNG where the odds are all on your side to find items you were missing.
Your baseline (which I would describe as: someone plays an attribute and doesn't get anything above tier 0 or 1 from that attribute) is something that might happen in 1 out of 10,000 games (just a number pulled from thin air). Wouldn't it make more sense to base any balance considerations on what happens in the other 9,999 games ?
If nickel slots were balanced to pay wages to the unemployed they would return the same on average than a 40 hr per week job.
Laz Man
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Damn straight...the way some people complain you would think we were at Burger King and not playing a survival game...
"Have it your way" ...
You forgot all the new POIs and mix in RWG worlds. Towns/cities feel more real probably because of less dupes and better tagging/grouping.
Gazz
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Right now shotguns are the best gun for 97% of situations (POI and horde night) - except for sniping enemies at range. Enemies that are not in range will come to you automatically.
Cheapest ammo in the game, highest damage per shot in the game, and you can mine/farm any amount you want without having to go out and loot anything.
I'm aware of how shotguns work IRL but ingame, range is the only inconvenience (not a problem) with these weapons.
The spread is currently way smaller than the actual crosshairs and even more broken on the auto shotgun but at least the latter is going to get fixed. One step at a time.
Not true but I'm sure there are plenty of newbie guides on the forum. =P
FileMachete
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Just my .02 cents but my read on this is that @hiemfire is basically talking about the old Wrench and Minibike book issues. Sure there were a -ton- more peeps who never had an issue finding those items in their games, but there were enough who did have issues that TFPs changed it.
Not saying I personally would have an issue if RNG determined if a 'glamour', or even Legendary items turned up or not, but anything that really hamstrings progression needs a way to work around RNG when it's being a real pita. Imo of course.
Definately in agreement with this. I modded (oops) the shotgun/shells to fairly rw values, then used it in-game. Soo totally OP'd! Sure, it was fun as h3ll to snipe zeds at 70+ meters with slugs, but then, other than ammo cost (slugs were more than 7.62), there'd be no use for rifles.
Shells wise, matching a rw spread resulted in basically one-shotting anything except demos and bears.
Which was why I was asking about if the shell pellets left the muzzle as a Cone or a Cylindar a while back Gazz. Imo, for gameplay, they should be a Cylindar, already spread out at the muzzle, so it would simply be impossible for all 8 pellets to hit a zeds head.
Aldranon
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Aw, your just too careful! You need to relax your hold on perfection!
Plan A:
Go into the snow biome with no armor.
Then hunt cougars with leather wraps.
Plan B:
During BM nights, don't use a roof over your head.
Dare the vultures to take their best shot!
Gazz
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FileMachete
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heh. yep, tried that when you first answered, which I appreciated, but for me it only showed a single green line, like an arrow, in the target.
Phoenixshade35
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Well i just did the day 28 horde, the ai is weird i gotta say, working as intended to be sure so no bugs there, but for some reason they seem.... easy? I wish during blood moons the zombies would attack random blocks around you instead of the weakest block, they group up making it easy to simply slaughter them cause of that exploit, is there any way that during blood moon the ai can switch it up to attacking random areas again?
And i so hope the steel knuckles work proper with the next update, it sucks that now only the power attack hits the zombies and the regular attack does absolutely nothing as if punching air.
Last thing i swear.... are we able to craft/buy the new weapon and accessory racks, i so want them for my house when I construct it in stable
And i so hope the steel knuckles work proper with the next update, it sucks that now only the power attack hits the zombies and the regular attack does absolutely nothing as if punching air.
Last thing i swear.... are we able to craft/buy the new weapon and accessory racks, i so want them for my house when I construct it in stable
STyK_
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I think its in a good spot. Living off the land is already in that class so you can pump out food without having to put point into another class like I do. To cook it I guess you'd need atleast 3 into strength and then 2 into master chef. But then also in that class is cardio, healing factor, pain tolerance. I have to put 10 points into two classes I don't even really want to but need to survive for food. Still only have the 8 points into agility that got me to lvl 3 deep cuts and I'm lvl 17, all those other point are in nearly every other class cause thats what it takes to get anything done especially with next to no loot.
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Khalagar
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Really? Freaking vultures bleed / abrasion / infection me like every dang time. I see concussion the least I think, I've only been stunned / concussed like twice. By far my most common is sprained / broken leg though, I get those several times a week just falling a few feet and they are by far the hardest to deal with bar none.
Am I crazy, or is there some kind of random chance to breaking your leg? I'll jump off the same spot on my house 10 times, take extremely minor fall damage 8 times, sprain my leg 1 time, and flat out break it 1 time. It's like the safe fall range is "8-12 blocks" and isn't a static number, but gets rolled randomly on damage taken.
Maybe I'm being paranoid, I'm very, very, VERY prone to dying to fall damage in all games so I'm used to it =(
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MechanicalLens
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I did some fall damage testing in A18 and there were many variations in heights where breaking or even spraining a leg wasn't guaranteed; in fact, if nothing has changed, you are only guaranteed to break your leg at around the 35+ block(s) mark or so.
Khalagar
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Ah, I have notoriously bad RNG to the point it's a meme among my friends, so if there's any random chance to it, that would explain why I'm almost always hobbling around with two broken legs and 3 more splints tapped my back just in case. I'm so glad they removed random food poison chance on most of the food, 1-2% food poison chance was basically guaranteed that I would throw up half the food I just ate =l
MechanicalLens
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True, but as it current stands it's almost impossible to get dysentery unless you're starving on days 1-2.
Khalagar
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I don't mind, dysentery isn't a fun mechanic to interact with, it's just annoying and easily cured. It was just there to encourage you to eat better food, I prefer the current version of "cheap food sux, good food gives tons of bonus stats" to encourage you to make high tier foods, instead of "lets play Russian Roulette with your can of miso soup and cry when you lose 5 times in a row"
The other negative statuses mostly add to the danger of combat and leave you limping back home half dead and scared of dying. Where as food poisoning basically just punishes you early game and is irrelevant after that. 9 times out of 10, it hit me when I was standing in my base eating my crappy cornbread, so I just drank some "Go away" juice and called it good.
The other negative statuses mostly add to the danger of combat and leave you limping back home half dead and scared of dying. Where as food poisoning basically just punishes you early game and is irrelevant after that. 9 times out of 10, it hit me when I was standing in my base eating my crappy cornbread, so I just drank some "Go away" juice and called it good.
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Gazz
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And that's exactly why it's so difficult to make shotguns "work" in games.
Here there are really good but only borderline OP. If they had even mediocre range it would be all over.
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Khalagar
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I think it's safe to say that every person who is so vested in the game they are posting on a dedicated forum, *all* like the game, and I don't really see anyone demanding any changes with entitlement, just discussing the game. Discussing it, y'know, on the discussion forum for the game. Where discussion goes.
Some fans enjoy posting pictures of their base, some enjoy making fan art, some enjoy number crunching to discuss what items or stats are good or bad, some enjoy brown nosing and acting like true fans will never ever talk about things they *don't* like along side things they do and will valiantly defend their game against any possible criticism etc. Just different parts of the fanbase, that is the exact same as every other fanbase.
This forum is nice because at least the devs are active and will just say "no that idea sucks and is stupid, we aren't doing that" instead of just being a non-existent ghost that never interacts with the fans at all. This forum at least is a LOT less cult like than others too, which is why I think ideas on what could be changed or discussion on things that are bad is really important. Go on a Fallout 76 forum and mention the bugs in the game and you'll get shredded, despite obviously being a fan and still having hundreds of hours in the game. That kind of cult doesn't do any good and just turns into a circlejerk
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