PC Alpha 18 feedback and balancing thread
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Chairkicker
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This is an admirable goal, but there's still the problem of introducing obnoxious spreadsheet comparison gameplay, necessitating we strip off all our mods to see if the new item is better or worse. However, I have a solution. Two in fact.
1) You've played ARPGs or even games like Terraria where items have prefixes and suffixes, right? How about instead of randomized stats, we have prefixes and suffixes that can be good or bad? A "heavy" prefix that increases damage, but decreases speed, "light" that does opposite, "shoddy" that just decreases efficacy, etc..
2) Display two numbers in the tooltip: base value, and (modified value) in parantheses. The latter could even be modified by perks, giving us a more accurate total of efficacy. That way all we need do is compare the base value to determine if the new item is an upgrade.
Or, both! That would streamline this feature greatly, and mollify the gameplay concerns while retaining the longer endgame loot search. You could even tie better prefixes/suffixes to gamestage, so that they only start spawning some time after tier 6 does, and spawn the bad prefixes on higher tier items at earlier gamestages, giving us the choice of an extra mod slot or more raw base efficacy.
Blake_
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I got a specific regarding stuff with durability.
Instead of the total number of durability in the item stats you guys should bring back the numerical total, that is:
An armor with 750 durability should say 750/750 in the stats info . And if damaged, a player should be able to look at the item stats and see 713/750 or whatever the item damage is.
Why? because a moving colored bar is unaccurate and it doesn't do the job when it really matters, that is, when the item has very low health and we really need to check if we can hit or shoot a bit more until it breaks.
It was exactly like that in A16.4 and it's not that I miss it. It's needed and a QOL feature that we "lost in traslation".
Jost Amman
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Hi Madmole, since you're going to introduce vehicle mods to the game... can you add something like "grilled guards" that make your car/bike much more resistant to collision?
That alone IMHO would be something to look forward to if you introduce better damage/repair mechanics.
Basically weapon handling animations.
Everytime you pull out a gun you don't need to rack the action.
for external box magazine fed weapons there should be an empty reload and tactical reload. furthermore you should be able to +1 reload. if you have 30 round magazines and you put a new one in and have a round chambered you would not run the action, you would also have 31 rounds not 30. Magazine size stats shouldn't be based on quality of the gun either IMO, maybe fire rate, reload speed, accuracy, and degradation(reliability). But magazine size and damage should only be affected by the caliber of the round maybe a barrel mod (length = velocity = damage and of course the size magazine designed to be used with the gun.
pump shotguns should have logical loading progression based on rounds left if the tube magazine. should be an interruptable animation. firing 7 shots then reloading 2 rounds and racking the slide or worse firing 1 round then reloading 2 and racking the slide is not how a pump shotgun works at all.
I know in your previous comment you said you don't have the staffing resources to get gun play to AAA level, I am not saying you need to have all the super crazy and polished animations of a COD or BF5 but just some simple and realistic'ish' gunplay mechanics.
Maybe the hunting rifle could also benefit from the magazine extender mod, Remington 700s have both internal magazines and detachable magazines. rate of fire could be decreased and maybe aim time could be increased to balance out the convenience and firepower magazines provide.
I know higher tier end game guns are in the works. Not sure which direction you are going there. But here are also a few suggestions.
Replace the low level hunting rifle with a true single shot rifle look up New England firearms or H&R single shot break action rifles. Or Thompson Center single shot rifles. Make the hunting rifle the high level bolt action beast it should be.
The game seems to be based in a fictionalized america, give us M16s/M4s/AR15 add 5.56.
Lever action rifle, a marlin 1894 SBL in .44 magnum would be a helluva a zombie stomper. Lever action rifles are also an american icon.
.50bmg. could add a M2 auto turret or a crew served/stationary weapon. Could add in anti material rifle and even a ridiculious .50cal handgun like the 'thunderer 50 bmg'
Hope that is more specifics from basic to more pipe dream ieas of what I mean 'guns need love'
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micromanagement you mean inventory management?
that is like half the reason I play the game, almost everything in the game has uses. living out a doomsday hoarding fantasy is a big draw of the game honestly
the only thing right now seems pointless is snowberries, what happened to the juice you could make with them?
It’s really getting hard to find things that are grossly imbalanced....which is a good thing. Also, how do you fine tune balance comparing single player versus multiplayer??? From a multiplayer perspective, I think motorized tools being tied, if possible, to higher gamestage. Once you have an auger, ammo becomes a non-issue. Two players wrench cars/ac units and one guy with an auger to get mats=unlimited ammo. In all the games we’ve played thus far, we always have an auger by day 7 give or take a couple days. Again this multiplayer not single. Other than that, we aren’t seeing any game-breaking imbalances. We’ve doubled the number of days playing before restarting. Great job with A18.
ZombieSurvivor
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Agreed Balancing looks good so far, I have no issues. It seems like A18 is getting it right.
Gazz
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No, but if there are 50 types of guns in the game that all take different parts and ammo it's almost guaranteed that you will never get enough parts or ammo to do anything with them.micromanagement you mean inventory management?
that is like half the reason I play the game, almost everything in the game has uses. living out a doomsday hoarding fantasy is a big draw of the game honestly
For a Gun Looting Sim that would make sense - just not for a game.
Thecolours
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Madmole, you should bring back the charging bull perk from A17 as book series.
dcsobral
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Feedback on a disabled feature: the stash actions.
Now, I know this is not enabled, but I have been using it through modlets, so I might as well give feedback on the mechanics of it. For full disclosure, I also used a similar feature on a mod, back in alpha 17. Personally, I love it and can't live without it, but it does have a few annoying quirks.
First, when you protect slots, they do not enjoy protection from sorting, so using it means not using sorting anymore on your own inventory.
Second, protecting slots in the same order as things get transferred to your inventory is suboptimal. If you want to protect an additional item, you have to move that item to the first unprotected slot, which usually means moving something out of that slot. If the protection was in the reverse order (that is, from bottom right) you'd be much more likely to have an empty slot.
Finally, protecting by count isn't a good choice, anyway. The mod where I used a similar feature before allowed you to select any slots anywhere to protect, which was more convenient. That said, I then went and did exactly what the current functionality does: protect everything in the same order as things go in the inventory, for the most part. The exceptions were well worth it, though.
Now, I know this is not enabled, but I have been using it through modlets, so I might as well give feedback on the mechanics of it. For full disclosure, I also used a similar feature on a mod, back in alpha 17. Personally, I love it and can't live without it, but it does have a few annoying quirks.
First, when you protect slots, they do not enjoy protection from sorting, so using it means not using sorting anymore on your own inventory.
Second, protecting slots in the same order as things get transferred to your inventory is suboptimal. If you want to protect an additional item, you have to move that item to the first unprotected slot, which usually means moving something out of that slot. If the protection was in the reverse order (that is, from bottom right) you'd be much more likely to have an empty slot.
Finally, protecting by count isn't a good choice, anyway. The mod where I used a similar feature before allowed you to select any slots anywhere to protect, which was more convenient. That said, I then went and did exactly what the current functionality does: protect everything in the same order as things go in the inventory, for the most part. The exceptions were well worth it, though.
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There are so many spring-producing things in the world it's not even funny. Grab a wrench. Even with 0 points in the skill you'll be swimming in springs before that wrench needs repairing/replacing.
Balance suggestion: tents give a ridiculously large amount of cloth. Scale it down. One tent is worth a dozen houses' worth of curtains.
Edit: Ugh, was going to post the suggestion that wrenches, when scrapped, give 1 steel tool part regardless of their quality.
Blake_
Captain Obvious
An screenshot of a16.4 weapons/armor durability stat (in the item description) should suffice. I was gonna take a screenshot. But then I'm really sorry I'm playing a18 non stop. I don't even expend time reporting bugs anymore. Must-mine-ore.
Hitted day 300 on one of my pre-a18 b155 gameplays. The snowball bugs are still bearable and the hordes are already impossible to sustain in a solo play without cheesing or wasting up to 5 days mining.
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The late game ore abundancy is just enough in solo, but poor in multiplayer. Even with 2 players, getting to day 300 with enough to survive uses up quite a few days of mining and each time you have to mine further and further away. Imagine the problem with 8 players (8 players day 77 begins to be a nightmare for getting bullets) . Brass also takes a hit, but if you avoid using it , players can get by (depending on the replacement).
The late game resource abundancy is generally good in multiplayer. Except for anything related to bullets.
I hope there are some entities in the future that provide bullets tied to GS.
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