PC Alpha 18 feedback and balancing thread
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Lorca
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Think you mean threshold?
Is the threshold 50%? It seems I start taking max stam damage much sooner - like 99%. That doesn't make sense. If anything you should feel sluggish with a full belly, not striving for it all the time.
If we're on the same page, then I agree with ya - I think making max stam damage only happen once you are down to 50 points (not percent) would be smarter.
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I got mixed feelings about bandits. Do you know if bandits were on the original road map?
Marinxar
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No...way too long since I seen that road map. I know NPCs and NPC controlled pois etc was there, but specific bandit talks have just been surfacing in the dev talks over the years, what I know of.Think you mean threshold?
If we're on the same page, then I agree with ya - I think making max stam damage only happen once you are down to 50 points (not percent) would be smarter.
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I got mixed feelings about bandits. Do you know if bandits were on the original road map?
ZombieSurvivor
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I feel ya. Its the one area of the game I fear may ruin it all but TFP have done an amazing job so far and things I doubted would work in the past they pulled off with flying colors so.....lets hope.
More than likely has always been on the road map since day 1. I cannot imagine something this big being thought up out of thin air one day.
As the devs have said in the past, we would be surprised how long something has been on the drawing board for.
Marinxar
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Found it....haha, and ye. No specific mention of Bandits ( Aside from you can choose to be one in a 'Nomad" game mode. )Think you mean threshold?
If we're on the same page, then I agree with ya - I think making max stam damage only happen once you are down to 50 points (not percent) would be smarter.
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I got mixed feelings about bandits. Do you know if bandits were on the original road map?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/7daystodie/7-days-to-die-zombie-survival-game
ZombieSurvivor
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Bandits have been on the road map since day 1
Marinxar
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Yes, but in the original roadmap, which the discussion was about, there is only mention of The Bandits, one of the PvP factions. You can play as a Human, a Bandit, or a Zombie. This is a coming game mode....As I understand it.
Perhaps learn to read the whole thing in context. That will save you a lot of embarrassing moments like this.
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Yes, but a faction without NPCs you can talk to is not a faction (not in any game I know of). Also you are probably misinterpreting the $7500 pledge. It doesn't mean a skin for yourself, it does mean an NPC is looking like you. Similar to some zombies already being modeled after backers, most notably the zombie who crouches (name escapes me, someone please help)
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ZombieSurvivor
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Spider zombie modeled after Tom Clark....god I'm such a nerd when it comes to this games history and TFP company lol.
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Prisma501
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custom_hero
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I think, the guys understood that, before you add something, you need to bring to shine what is already available.
before the bandits, I would like to see new quests, balance.
before the bandits, I would like to see new quests, balance.
Marinxar
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Generally yes, but in coding, not so much. If you polish now, the next thing you add might break that, and you have to code it all over again. That's why there is stages of development. Alpha - Add content. Beta - Polish/balance/optimize/bugs. This way you know everything you want to add to the game works well together, then you can focus on fine tuning it.
ZombieSurvivor
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"Meaning of ALPHA and BETA games
Alpha state games
A working alpha state game is the game itself with all the basic core concepts in place (and most likely some still being developed or drawn up) allowing players the base freedoms that allow the game to resolve gameplay issues, early exploits, small bugs, major bugs, early balancing and many other issues that you wont see in a fully released game that does not state that its an alpha or beta state game.
This all being said, the best way to get thing that devs have as a tool is in my eyes the community or "us" putting it plainly. We are the force that drives them to make an outstanding product that we are all eager to enjoy. When developers see the forums exploding with issues like people saying that "the game is dying" or "this game sucks" then whats the point of them continuing on making this game for people that have already given up on them? Things like this in some extreme cases do have valid points but in very rare cases do they matter for Alpha state games that have literally just been made playable for people.
The best thing that you can do in the Alpha State of game development (especially with a working and released alpha state game) is to give constructive feedback to the devs so that they can interact with the community, sharing ideas or even allowing us to sometimes vote on different content that could be included in the game later on. For those that are alpha testers who stay around from this point forwards our word and feedback becomes very valued and wanted by the devs because we would have more experience than a fresh player at release. This in itself can create a much better and more fluid game for everyone to enjoy.
RECAP
Alpha state games are:
-Incomplete basic forms of the game
-Full of bugs
-Unbalanced in some areas (or all)
-Will have major changes at times (such as the removal of Station PvP which is being re-implimented and will not be removed from game0
-Graphics Artefacts
- And a lot of other inconsistencies with the game that wont be in a full release or even beta state games
Beta State Games
Beta state games are in some cases a simple fine tuning of a 90% complete game, or could be another stage for the devs to add another round of content for the end product itself. There are a lot of different ways to see what beta state games are and normally they are categorized by the different numbers associated with them. a common way of seeing this (in most games but not all) are the 3 numbers in patch notes such as 0.1.9 (early beta phase) or 0.9.8 (late beta stage) different developers have different ways of doing this but the higher the number, the later in the creation it is.
Now this is a time when its like going over a game with a fine tooth comb to find all the last existing bugs or balance changes. At this point more and more players will most likely take a stance on if the game is a good one or not as most of the time (not all) the future potential has been revealed and what the devs work ethic is and how it will be possibly during later development and release. But this stage is critical as well, because sometimes large bugs, exploits, glitches and other issues do pass over from the alpha state. But its also the time when a lot of new content can be added, tested and looked over.
At this point in development keep an open mind, but keep active on the forums, look for issues and things that might need to be addressed by the devs. Or bring up new ideas and suggestions on in game stuff and mechanics
Review
-Less bugs and issues
-Better balancing
-quicker hotfixes or updates
-more content (but not all)
-game changes
for those of you who found this helpful thanks for reading
" -Narphalex
Alpha state games
A working alpha state game is the game itself with all the basic core concepts in place (and most likely some still being developed or drawn up) allowing players the base freedoms that allow the game to resolve gameplay issues, early exploits, small bugs, major bugs, early balancing and many other issues that you wont see in a fully released game that does not state that its an alpha or beta state game.
This all being said, the best way to get thing that devs have as a tool is in my eyes the community or "us" putting it plainly. We are the force that drives them to make an outstanding product that we are all eager to enjoy. When developers see the forums exploding with issues like people saying that "the game is dying" or "this game sucks" then whats the point of them continuing on making this game for people that have already given up on them? Things like this in some extreme cases do have valid points but in very rare cases do they matter for Alpha state games that have literally just been made playable for people.
The best thing that you can do in the Alpha State of game development (especially with a working and released alpha state game) is to give constructive feedback to the devs so that they can interact with the community, sharing ideas or even allowing us to sometimes vote on different content that could be included in the game later on. For those that are alpha testers who stay around from this point forwards our word and feedback becomes very valued and wanted by the devs because we would have more experience than a fresh player at release. This in itself can create a much better and more fluid game for everyone to enjoy.
RECAP
Alpha state games are:
-Incomplete basic forms of the game
-Full of bugs
-Unbalanced in some areas (or all)
-Will have major changes at times (such as the removal of Station PvP which is being re-implimented and will not be removed from game0
-Graphics Artefacts
- And a lot of other inconsistencies with the game that wont be in a full release or even beta state games
Beta State Games
Beta state games are in some cases a simple fine tuning of a 90% complete game, or could be another stage for the devs to add another round of content for the end product itself. There are a lot of different ways to see what beta state games are and normally they are categorized by the different numbers associated with them. a common way of seeing this (in most games but not all) are the 3 numbers in patch notes such as 0.1.9 (early beta phase) or 0.9.8 (late beta stage) different developers have different ways of doing this but the higher the number, the later in the creation it is.
Now this is a time when its like going over a game with a fine tooth comb to find all the last existing bugs or balance changes. At this point more and more players will most likely take a stance on if the game is a good one or not as most of the time (not all) the future potential has been revealed and what the devs work ethic is and how it will be possibly during later development and release. But this stage is critical as well, because sometimes large bugs, exploits, glitches and other issues do pass over from the alpha state. But its also the time when a lot of new content can be added, tested and looked over.
At this point in development keep an open mind, but keep active on the forums, look for issues and things that might need to be addressed by the devs. Or bring up new ideas and suggestions on in game stuff and mechanics
Review
-Less bugs and issues
-Better balancing
-quicker hotfixes or updates
-more content (but not all)
-game changes
for those of you who found this helpful thanks for reading
" -Narphalex
custom_hero
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follow general development rules .. it's not about pimps.
in the 6th year, they began to remove blocks, content. Optimize the game.
7th year of development soon. if in 2023, with a bloody night there will be 60+ fps. It will be a success.
We will still play it until 2033. How I am playing Warcraft 3. 2002 release game.
even with 15 fps, by far 7dtd is the best game. what makes her so for me?
1) RWG,
2) Zombie,
3) Content (items + blocks)
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ZombieSurvivor
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I agree. I would like to see more quests and a little more balance before bandits are added. Of course with every update comes more balancing and in some cases breaking the balance of things, so that is a never ending wish lol.
P.S. I'm glad to see all the polishing they have done for this game in an alpha state. Means they care about us players vs waiting till beta to do polishing.
Personally I love most of what The Fun Pimps do when in comes to this game...but....more quests before bandits please.
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