I'm a health and safety expert, never underestimate my ability to suck the joy from absolutely anythingLol....never watch a hospital drama sitting next to a nurse or a Law drama sitting next to a lawyer. Generalizations and abstractions are done all the time in all entertainment and only the experts cringe.
Do You happen to work with Electric Utilities? If so, I hate uI'm a health and safety expert, never underestimate my ability to suck the joy from absolutely anything
I have no idea what mods are out there. Ideas are the easy part. How to implement a design and the execution of that design is what separates the kings from the peasants. Guppy has some good ideas and some bad ones, but when I speak my mind the conversation is over unless it ends in a question mark. Its insulting when we spend a lot of time researching how tires are made in real life then someone comes in saying its bad and try ramming a bad idea down your throat Orsey style. You don't quadruple gate something you do 2-10 times in the game. Its already gated by materials, workbench etc. I fight for the stuff we really need like an industrial forge. Do you want to lose that to a stupid tire machine? So I stomp on crap ideas to protect where the game needs to go, and I'm passionate about the game, so I get heated when bad ideas that take away from what we really need get mentioned.You are aware that Guppy had the placeable lantern that you love, in game, a *long* time ago?
And that he had a working rager zombie, in game, a *long* time ago?
If Guppy (or Jax, or Tin, or Stompy, etc.) added a good gameplay element first, and TFP added it second, who's the peasant?
I'm just saying Guppy and others have implemented some good design decisions - they're probably qualified to at least make some commentary.
(PS, I know Guppy can be abrasive. He does it to shepherd people in a certain direction.)
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He did comment, then he commented again, and again and I had enough. Saying the same bad argument over and over doesn't turn it into a good argument. So stop peasant, you don't know what you are talking about and I've had enough. This is my castle and there will be order in the court. I listened, I gave my professional opinion as a courtesy so he can sharpen his own game design skills, and then got disrespected when he kept beating the dead hOrse. I like Guppy, he's a great guy who supports our game, but that doesn't make him right. Gating wheel crafting even further would be a bad design decision. The method we create them now is perfectly acceptable, and grounded in reality. I wanted more uses for Acid, and its used to make tires, so what is wrong with that? Beats making a new workstation that takes away from having a proper industrial forge down the road. Beats taking dev time away from making bandits.I'm a little late to the *ahem* discussion, but my point wasn't that it's Guppy's idea, or belongs to Guppy.
It dismantles MM argument that Guppy can't comment on design decisions because he's never published anything. Fact of the matter, Guppy added stuff to the game as a mod (like back in A12?) which TFP has recently added in to vanilla. I don't care who came up with it first, who published it first - doesn't matter. Guppy's been publishing game play decisions for awhile now, and TFP is playing ketchup.
I'd say he (along with a handful of other modders around here) are more than qualified to comment. That's ALL I'm saying.
Where do constructive discussions end? Maybe when the owner (and dev/designer) of the company that creates the game, gives an opinion back and says its his vision or good design? Or when you (or any non dev/owner/designer) says its over? Can you imagine that 3 posts allready is way to much when the owner said how he likes/wants(!) it to be? To many players say they are giving constructive critisism but actually want only one thing: to be right. I would be blunt also if someone is too stubbern to even be able to accept that his/her voice is heard and nothing is going to be done with that sound.
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I'm not arguiing to be right, I'm arguiing because I think I am. I'm very open minded regarding the fact madmole is a way better game designer than me in almost all aspects, given it's not my job, but then again the one thing I absolutely HATE is when someone in lack of proper arguments either invokes some shady ones OR just tells me I'm wrong because he's overall more qualified and drops the mic. That is NOT an argument, that's just ending a discussion with authority because you can't counter argument properly.
Yep, instead of reading my courtious "sorry but this is a bad idea for these reasons" post, and not seeing the dead horse beat, and not even knowing what it was all about, lets get the pitchforks out, mole's a ♥♥♥♥. I can be, I don't want to be, and I won't be unless you push those buttons.
that is great to hear from a developer!
Full on agreement. Seen it way too many times.
Hmm can we get a sawmill workbench? Doesn't make logical sense to make planks with your bear hands. Yeah it would be extremely inconvenient and a waste of dev time but hey, at least it would line up with reality
@madmole An acid trap of sorts, maybe? (One that expels acid as a weapon - perhaps as a burning, flesh-eating chemical spray - and it takes several acid to fuel it, like gas into a vehicle/generator. Or it could act as a late-game form of barbed wire, temporarily blinding and stunning zombies and slowing them down a considerable amount.) *Shrugs*
yeah the saw table is kinda not handy but i have some ideas for it.Hmm can we get a sawmill workbench? Doesn't make logical sense to make planks with your bear hands. Yeah it would be extremely inconvenient and a waste of dev time but hey, at least it would line up with reality
I don't understand this adversity to the tire recipe. Like who cares. Acid and coal? Sure, it makes a tire, why does it matter specifically how it was crafted? Do you want a minibike or not? The air compressing station idea is not good at all, sorry.
