PC Alpha 17 is a big win for PVP players
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OnlyMeiya
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How do you propose I do that when most of the players who played for PVP are mostly gone to games like R6/Arma3/counterstrike GO, Stellarus, Emperyon,Atlas,Foxhole,Ark ect.Show me the numbers
Many quit playing due to an excessive number of "Chinese hackers" who just ran around streaming on twitch while using hacked clients to destroy bases, across various patches. (They could give themselves admin/godmode privileges on almost any server and easily avoided anti-cheat.) Why play when someone could just log in at level 1 and destroy your entire base you worked months on.
The many others quit because there are too many imbalances that have been ever so prominent over the patches as well, around Alpha 10-11 PVP/PVE were fairly equalized and PVP wasn't broken in any gamestate, early, middle, late, or end game/BIS.
Now you get to alpha 15 introduced Light/MEdium/Heavy armor, maxing these all out made you basically invulnerable till your armor was broken, this was the start of a huge problem for PVP, and it started to drastically decline from there.
Forward a few patches and Medium armor was removed from the perk list, but players could still achieve an insane amount of DR that made them nearly unkillable to anyone but another player that was equally geared and spected for combat, You just didn't stand a chance, I walked into player bases and could wipe them out with 1 shot while they couldn't hurt me as my rolling HOTS (Healing over time) was so stacked that their damage was insignificant, and because I repaired my armor in between rounds It meant you could never kill me without <2> sniper shots to the head. the first to break the helm, the second to take the remaining life without DR.
Forward a few more patches and the sniper was nerfed which removed it from pvp viability late game as players could survive "Several" shots from it as it still remained true that the only way to kill a player was to hit them enough times to break their armor.
Now here we are in Alpha 17, where we have 1 land claim, players can locally download the map from any seed and peek through everyone else's base to find where all the hidden stuff is uninhibited, and late game worse than alpha 16 in terms of near invulnerability.
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DEADication
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Show me yours firstShow me the numbers
OnlyMeiya
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No one is crying, we are voicing our opinion something you guys do very strongly over even the most trivial of issues for PVE. Just take a look down the forum list, there's too many to count.I'm glad that the PVPers like the new iteration...
But just to be clear. It's not that others dont want PVP. It's that TFP have said that they wont focus on PVP.
So stop your crying
We aren't asking for complete focus, rather we are asking to not be 100% neglected.
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JCrook1028
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It simple amazes me that when the Devs' viewpoint is that PvP work will come at the end of the work that people call that "rhetoric".
What I call it is - get ready - Fact.
Get upset about it all you want.
Fact is that that is what Joel has said. Period. End of story. PvP is NOT the primary focus.
Any work that does get done on it now is pretty much just incidental to their actual focus which is SP/Coop PvE.
So by chance you bought it at a time that you think had better PvP mechanics. That's all it was - chance. Not the intended result. A spot in time that luckily for you the game was more PvP "friendly".
What I call it is - get ready - Fact.
Get upset about it all you want.
Fact is that that is what Joel has said. Period. End of story. PvP is NOT the primary focus.
Any work that does get done on it now is pretty much just incidental to their actual focus which is SP/Coop PvE.
So by chance you bought it at a time that you think had better PvP mechanics. That's all it was - chance. Not the intended result. A spot in time that luckily for you the game was more PvP "friendly".
crazywildfire
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Lmao every time i get on here i get more and more of a chuckle. I'm glad you feel I'm offended and glad you like to keep classifying me as a pvper. That is ok if you feel that way nobody is perfect. But so you know I'm a gamer and play all kinds of different games in all kinds of different ways and I don't pick on way over another. But since you know me so well congratulations thumbs up for you.
I responded to someone specific and sure you can reply to it this is a public forum. But you got bent out of shape because I was talking to someone else and you didn't like what was said. You then go on to try and tell me what I can and can't post. But hey I'm the one offended right. Dude you are a complete waste of time. Take that hypothetical non sence somewhere else. And yes hypothetical because I seen your post telling others one thing but yet here you are doing the same thing they are and you telling them not to. You only have one mind set and everyone else is wrong if they don't agree to your standards. I still find it very funny and get a good laugh out if it. As I'm one chill person and don't let hardly anything bother me especially the little things. More things in the world to worry about then a game. Again sorry if you don't like the answers but I'm not the developer so I have no other information to give to you. So because I'm not the developer and don't have a say so in if it is a pvp game or a pve neither one of them bother me unlike yourself but it doesn't matter because they have said over and over again regardless if you like it or not that this game is built around pve. Like it not they have said the game can be modified to fit ones needs. Like it or not it is a alpha game that isn't completed yet so who knows what kind of pvp stuff they will do for it at the end because they are not against pvp they just not building the game around pvp. So until it is finished you will have to mod things or simply don't play. Those are facts. So again if that is to much for you then alpha is not for you sir.
I responded to someone specific and sure you can reply to it this is a public forum. But you got bent out of shape because I was talking to someone else and you didn't like what was said. You then go on to try and tell me what I can and can't post. But hey I'm the one offended right. Dude you are a complete waste of time. Take that hypothetical non sence somewhere else. And yes hypothetical because I seen your post telling others one thing but yet here you are doing the same thing they are and you telling them not to. You only have one mind set and everyone else is wrong if they don't agree to your standards. I still find it very funny and get a good laugh out if it. As I'm one chill person and don't let hardly anything bother me especially the little things. More things in the world to worry about then a game. Again sorry if you don't like the answers but I'm not the developer so I have no other information to give to you. So because I'm not the developer and don't have a say so in if it is a pvp game or a pve neither one of them bother me unlike yourself but it doesn't matter because they have said over and over again regardless if you like it or not that this game is built around pve. Like it not they have said the game can be modified to fit ones needs. Like it or not it is a alpha game that isn't completed yet so who knows what kind of pvp stuff they will do for it at the end because they are not against pvp they just not building the game around pvp. So until it is finished you will have to mod things or simply don't play. Those are facts. So again if that is to much for you then alpha is not for you sir.
OnlyMeiya
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We are not asking for entire focus, just a little attention after years and years of neglect from a continually downward spiral
Good for you? So our aggravation with PVP being is an entirely broken state is amusing to you? Its more the fact that no one even listens, they just say the same crap and it keeps everyone at an impasse.
I never classified you as a PVPer nor did I insinuate that anything I said offended you, I think you just find everything amusing.
Right, then stop responding and go play your PVE game.
I didn't actually ask for information from you, or anyone in fact I wish you would take your arguement away from my thread as you don't contribute anything other than trying to belittle/degrade me and enforce the ostracism of PVPers, I simply stated how broken the game is for us that enjoyed PVP/Raiding, What put it into a broken state, and what could possibly be done to help resolve those issues, though it seems that like 99% of you on this forum you are more interested in repeating the rhetoric and starting a fight rather than work towards a resolution. Cognitive Dissidence much?
I didn't get bent out of shape, I simply stated how I felt and how PVE bias players treat pvpers on this forums. While I may display some passion that doesn't mean I am upset, but I do get aggravated when you try to constantly shut down our voices and opinions on anything PVP related, you aren't the developers, its not your damn game, stop talking as if you're speaking for them, everyone likes to do this like they think its going to merit them some special brownie points with the devs or something. Its old.
I'm not 12, stop talking like you're so high above me; every word in your sentence gets increasingly more condescending and patronizing like you think you're pulling a puppets strings for your amusement.
I never said you could or could not post anything, you really take things too literal I suppose, you can post whatever you want, however it gets annoying to say the same thing over and over, PVP is in a bad state, we're going to female dog, just like you female dog over level gating, steel, stamina, grindy early game, hidden zeds, ect ect. You guys have had plenty of issues and most weren't even game breaking, just something you didn't like.
No, YOU only have 1 mindset. That its a PVE game and that all of us with PVP concerns should fk off and shut up.
I have only stated my retort, I never said anyone was "Wrong" in fact I acknowledged what is said but at some point you should realize how greedy you all sound while your PVE world is nearly flawless when you compare to how our PVP/Online/Multiplayer state is (Completely Broken ) That being said, it is not unfair, nor unreasonable to ask for help, instead you give us the stiff arm and say "back off, its our PVE game." It seriously needs some help and the mere mention of that sets off this cascade of flame and dichotomy war.
We have no way to mod land claim blocks, we have no way to mod perks. Anything else?
Its been alpha for 6 + years, that argument lost so much weight so long ago. It will "Always" be an alpha game at this point. It had PVP in it when I bought it, the PVP got broken, and It isn't fair to make me and anyone else that enjoyed PVP "Wait" for another 6 freaking years for it to not be broken anymore. That is the worse instance of customer service I have ever heard.
Actually the PVE and PVP elements mold quite nicely except for some certain instances. The Land Claim blocks is the biggest major issue and the perks +armors are just too strong end game, even on the highest difficulty I don't think zed are even a threat to the players that are BIS geared, and perked up.
Im pretty sure you quoted and responded to me directly, I know you responded to the other guy with the mods to which I keep saying "We do not have the ability to mod what is breaking the game for us!" You don't read, or listen do you?
It isn't that I didn't like what you said, I was counter-arguing and stating my points and reasons. On a public forum yes, you can except people to chime in with their opinions as well.
Because its been 6 years and we are neglected through many pressing issues when it comes to PVP, again, no one is asking for a complete "Focus" on it, just make it not as damn broken so we can at least play and enjoy it for a little while.Yes its a rhetoric at this point because its like telling a patient waiting on a lung transplant to "Keep waiting, its coming." but all the mean while you're dying.
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crazywildfire
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Oh look you are right I did respond to you first before the OP. My bad but stil doesn't change the fact that this game is being built around single player/small group now does it.
I'm on a phone so not going to try and quote things. But even in my response to you it was not rude or disrespectful and you do reply in a rude and disrespectful way. The choice of words and the way you put does try and put me in the things you try but have yet to succeed on doing in specific type of people. Hey I'm not the greatest with words and am guilty of it also but still...
I find it very amusing and very funny at the things I read on here and I'm not the only one hell I'm on break at work and a few of us are cracking up. Why because you are tired of hearing the facts of the matter and it bothers you so bad that really I don't even remember half the things you said now come to think about it besides you are bothered pvp is lacking. I agree it is but hey reasons regardless on if you or I or anyone else agrees or not, likes it or not the developers have said it and it isn't talking for them when they have said it that the game is not built around pvp. What are you going to do about it? Please tell me I want to know and I'm sure others would like to as well. If they are set on designing the game around pve and not pvp not much one can do besides guess what mod it. Oh wait the other thing over used stop playing. Those are the only options.
I'm not trying to come across to shut you down, have you stop playing or stop posting. I'm sure in a voice conversation you are a pretty cool person. But just saying we are not the developers so our input only goes so far. Pvp conversations have been a topic for ages and it has been made clear it is not a pvp game. Not sure how else to say it that don't use ways that are over used for you.
But as been said time after time and multiple times in this thread it doesn't mean they don't try and do what they can for pvp as they can. It does not mean when the game is finished more options will not be in place for more pvp type styles. So it isn't that they or many don't care for pvp players it is just that they didn't come into designing this game for pvp. I wouldn't object what so ever if they did more for pvp but it is unlikely they will (not saying they won't because I can't speak for then) based on the way they have said things.
So it isn't trying to push you away or whatever you wish to call it but if you are not ok with that then the game isn't for you and you should move on because you will not ever be happy with what they will offer. They are not going to please everyone so that is why I agree with them with mod it if you don't like it. Nothing wrong what so ever in doing so. The reasons might be over used but it is the truth and fact. Would you wish for it to be said in a different way? I really don't know what else to tell you.
I'm on a phone so not going to try and quote things. But even in my response to you it was not rude or disrespectful and you do reply in a rude and disrespectful way. The choice of words and the way you put does try and put me in the things you try but have yet to succeed on doing in specific type of people. Hey I'm not the greatest with words and am guilty of it also but still...
I find it very amusing and very funny at the things I read on here and I'm not the only one hell I'm on break at work and a few of us are cracking up. Why because you are tired of hearing the facts of the matter and it bothers you so bad that really I don't even remember half the things you said now come to think about it besides you are bothered pvp is lacking. I agree it is but hey reasons regardless on if you or I or anyone else agrees or not, likes it or not the developers have said it and it isn't talking for them when they have said it that the game is not built around pvp. What are you going to do about it? Please tell me I want to know and I'm sure others would like to as well. If they are set on designing the game around pve and not pvp not much one can do besides guess what mod it. Oh wait the other thing over used stop playing. Those are the only options.
I'm not trying to come across to shut you down, have you stop playing or stop posting. I'm sure in a voice conversation you are a pretty cool person. But just saying we are not the developers so our input only goes so far. Pvp conversations have been a topic for ages and it has been made clear it is not a pvp game. Not sure how else to say it that don't use ways that are over used for you.
But as been said time after time and multiple times in this thread it doesn't mean they don't try and do what they can for pvp as they can. It does not mean when the game is finished more options will not be in place for more pvp type styles. So it isn't that they or many don't care for pvp players it is just that they didn't come into designing this game for pvp. I wouldn't object what so ever if they did more for pvp but it is unlikely they will (not saying they won't because I can't speak for then) based on the way they have said things.
So it isn't trying to push you away or whatever you wish to call it but if you are not ok with that then the game isn't for you and you should move on because you will not ever be happy with what they will offer. They are not going to please everyone so that is why I agree with them with mod it if you don't like it. Nothing wrong what so ever in doing so. The reasons might be over used but it is the truth and fact. Would you wish for it to be said in a different way? I really don't know what else to tell you.
Randy Savage
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All joking aside, I consider myself a PvP player and I knew of NOTHING about pvpers boycotting the game. I have been less and less active on the forum(reading) and rarely play the game. Not because I'm mad or upset, or because of a "boycott". It's the simple fact that the game is not what I fell in love with almost 5 years ago.
The whole us(pvp) vs them(pve) battle that takes place here could very well be the eventual downfall of this great game. I applaud TFP for the progress they have made over the years, but something doesn't seem right, atleast from my point of view. (65 players)100% of the people on my friends list I've met played 7d2d at one point or another, as of right now I don't see any playing or have played it in months. My soon to be wife and I met each other playing this game. Gods honest truth. Yeah its just a game but it will always hold a place close to me for that reason alone. She is not a pvp player but even she has no desire to dig into what we have to play today.
One thing I did listen to the pve'ers about was "if you don't like it go play something else." For the longest time I took that as an insult but they may very well be on to something.
I wish TFP and 7d's the best of luck and hope they can hang onto a little bit of what made this game the gem that it was.
crazywildfire
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I would like to start off with congratulations for finding someone part.
For me I don't care about this pvp vs pve stuff. It is stupid. The point in what I was making isn't trying to be a battle with one vs the other. Not trying to speak for TFP or any other person alive. Just simply saying what TFP themselves have said. The game isn't being designed around pvp. Some seem to feel that is a attack towards pvp players but it isn't. The reason I don't see it that way is because it isn't like pvp gets ignored completely. But it they are not going to please everyone with things they do. Take the OP for example he is happy with the way pvp is right now but other pvp players are not. So you have two pvp players that are not agreeing. So with a game that isn't built around pvp and that isn't a complete game how do you please both much less pvp and pve players. You are not going to simple as that. So it will need to be modded for the likes of the individual. Also as it has been said in other parts of the forums only a small % of players come to the forums so I don't think the arguments here will effect things that much and become a downfall for the game. Maybe for some individuals but not the game itself.
I agree the game isn't what it used to be. For me it isn't really a bad thing but it definitely does need more work done. I don't mind the new systems they put in but it definitely needs work and they acknowledge that and are aware so for a unfinished game I will have to let them update it more to get that final result before completely judging it. Doesn't mean I don't have opinions on things nor do I think others shouldn't because they should. Hopefully in a constructive feedback they will do what they can if they feel the same as it is obvious if they feel what they have is the way it will be nothing anyone here is going to be able to do besides mod it. It isn't about if I agree or disagree or think if it is right or wrong they are going to make the game they want and leave us to mod it if we want something different especially right now when things are being worked on.
(Not all of this was directed towards you but just was sayin in general).
currently there are game breaking bugs in A17 for PVP.
- underground clipping to see bases
- land claim block deactivate, other people can see LCB marker on the map
the only fun about this game is PVP, pve is getting boring after awhile no matter how much they slow the progression it will be boring before you even level up high. slowing down everything is just resident sleeper. tfp even put a delay on nailgun to slow down building what why? im demotivated to build because its slow lol
- underground clipping to see bases
- land claim block deactivate, other people can see LCB marker on the map
the only fun about this game is PVP, pve is getting boring after awhile no matter how much they slow the progression it will be boring before you even level up high. slowing down everything is just resident sleeper. tfp even put a delay on nailgun to slow down building what why? im demotivated to build because its slow lol
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Lowbudgetname
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Wow, two pages of bickering on a post with PVP in the title? No way!
Anyway PVP is just one layer on top of the base game that IMO just needs some balancing and bug fixes to be made viable again for mass consumption. I dont think the majority of players would even want a "candy coating" of antigreifing changes or any crazy anti cheat past the EAC already there.
Of course that won't make it perfect for everyone but just some cost of living changes can make it real good-----
-player damage boosts/resistances balancing to others and not zombies
-redundant land claims to some extent
(Can be limited but shouldn't be, no less than 9 claims active at one time)
-block damage slider(setting) that is independent of zombie block damage
-xray glitch needs addressed badly and is the biggest reason slot of players dont play anymore
NEW BUGS FOR A17
-players respawning at beds other than their own
-conditions presisting after respawn(bleeding,broken leg)
-land claim ownership switching to another player ( fixed when reloging)
-land claim map icon showing up for players not owning claims (shows claims of players not allied to some but not all other players) POSSI LE FIX COULD BE TO REMOVE THW MAP MARKER ALL TOGETHER I know where my base is lol
Alright that's my list feel free to add to it.
AND LETS JUST IGNORE THE PVE TROLLS PLEASE, WE NEED TO COLLECT OUR THOUGHTS TO MAKE OUR VOICES HEARD, BICKERING WONT HELP.
Anyway PVP is just one layer on top of the base game that IMO just needs some balancing and bug fixes to be made viable again for mass consumption. I dont think the majority of players would even want a "candy coating" of antigreifing changes or any crazy anti cheat past the EAC already there.
Of course that won't make it perfect for everyone but just some cost of living changes can make it real good-----
-player damage boosts/resistances balancing to others and not zombies
-redundant land claims to some extent
(Can be limited but shouldn't be, no less than 9 claims active at one time)
-block damage slider(setting) that is independent of zombie block damage
-xray glitch needs addressed badly and is the biggest reason slot of players dont play anymore
NEW BUGS FOR A17
-players respawning at beds other than their own
-conditions presisting after respawn(bleeding,broken leg)
-land claim ownership switching to another player ( fixed when reloging)
-land claim map icon showing up for players not owning claims (shows claims of players not allied to some but not all other players) POSSI LE FIX COULD BE TO REMOVE THW MAP MARKER ALL TOGETHER I know where my base is lol
Alright that's my list feel free to add to it.
AND LETS JUST IGNORE THE PVE TROLLS PLEASE, WE NEED TO COLLECT OUR THOUGHTS TO MAKE OUR VOICES HEARD, BICKERING WONT HELP.
crazywildfire
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-player damage boost/resistance. ... something to the nature has been brought up. Not sure how it will end up if it will but has been brought up.
-LCB.... is known and already said it will get work done. Maybe not in the way you suggested.
-block damage slider... can't say anything on this if they will do anything. Have not seen anything on it but doesn't mean it isn't there somewhere. But good idea.
-xray glitch.... well we all know they are aware of this. When it will be fixed I can't say as I have no clue.
New bugs for A17..... all these are known and again i can't say when they will get fixed but eventually will be.
So most of these are known and have been heard. Not sure what more you are wanting. But for someone that wants to stop with the bickering you sure did open the door for more bickering with the last part of the post.. Just sayin
Edit: oh look one of those questions was answered plus more.
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Lowbudgetname
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Nah I just think we can work together, I want everything you want out of this game, except I also want to kill you and take ur stuff.
Also I'm aware, that you're aware, that they're aware of the issues I mentioned. Just wanted to point out the things that could be addressed quickly and fairly easily( or not, I dont know much about coding/game design) that would make the PVP community happy and probably bring a lot of players back. Feel free to add anything else that come to mind
Also I'm aware, that you're aware, that they're aware of the issues I mentioned. Just wanted to point out the things that could be addressed quickly and fairly easily( or not, I dont know much about coding/game design) that would make the PVP community happy and probably bring a lot of players back. Feel free to add anything else that come to mind
crazywildfire
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No no... no exceptions depending on my mood I as well want to sneak in that base and take all your stuff and wait for you to come back and kill youNah I just think we can work together, I want everything you want out of this game, except I also want to kill you and take ur stuff.
Also I'm aware, that you're aware, that they're aware of the issues I mentioned. Just wanted to point out the things that could be addressed quickly and fairly easily( or not, I dont know much about coding/game design) that would make the PVP community happy and probably bring a lot of players back. Feel free to add anything else that come to mind
Lol I agree everyone wants the same things but balancing the game for both pvp and pve player is a pain. At least to where it will please everyone. As the op said he is loving the pvp now but others don't. But as the past few pages was a drag in a way don't get what I said the wrong way. As I said in one of them I'm a gamer i have different moods for different games and different play styles all the time. But the point of it is that until TFP come put and say they changed their minds they have said the game is built around pve. But as it was also said doesn't mean they ignore pvp play style. They do what they can when they can as above statement that was made from TFP shows. Just because it is designed around pve doesn't take away the pvp part as I think that part of the message in the last 2 pages was missed.
In my opinion let them do what they can as they can for pvp but they still have things that need to get worked on right now. So I personally would like to see some of those things fixed/added to before anything else.
OnlyMeiya
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To add off the biggest issue with the digging zeds is that players will now kite zed horde/screamer hordes to your base and let the zeds just destroy your base for you, there needs to be an option to turn digging off in multiplayer because its widely abused and players need to be able to dig underground to hide from other players.
The another next biggest issue are the maps being downloaded locally, what this means is anyone can download the map with your base in it, go into single player/creative with that map seed and figure out exactly where all your traps are and how to avoid them are, as well as where your land claim is hidden so it can be dug up, then go back into that multiplayer server and go to that base with the knowledge of how to raid it.
You can stop saying this now, okay? You and I are at a complete impasse so I don't see a reason to try and communicate with you about this topic anymore, you just keep finding yourself so "amused" (and you said your responses aren't rude or disrespectful but here you are calling me amusing? That's actually very rude as Im not trying to amuse you I'm trying to make you understand why PVP needs some attention and why the PVE bias needs to stop yet you keep enforcing the same iteration of it)
Balancing the game for PVE and PVP isn't as hard as you would think since end game is already broken for both.
OP hadn't experienced late game PVP yet alpha 17, I have, once he/she does they'll probably think its bogus as well..
crazywildfire
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It is very simple to ignore me and not respond. Yes I find it very amusing that you still have yet to see the point and it is all about pve fanboys or now pve bias. If that is rude then so be it.
Never once I said pvp doesn't need love. Not once did I say it wasn't going to get love. It is simple plain English that has no reason to be said in any other way that the game is not built around pvp. It doesn't mean that pvp is forgotten or shouldn't be touched. But you seem so fascinated on the fact just because the game isn't built around pvp then that must mean the hell with pvp. As TFP said today they are working on something that will help with pvp it shows it is not forgotten. I assure you it will not be the only thing that gets done to help towards pvp. Doing things for pvp will come when they can or feel the need to do so especially at the moment in a unfinished game that is being designed around pve. So if that isn't clear enough and feel that it is saying the hell with pvp then I don't know what to tell you besides find it amusing. I'm not hear to speak for everyone or anyone besides myself. So if you think I'm against pvp so be it not sure what to tell you. Besides ignore me and don't respond.
JCrook1028
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If you thought I was responding to you you're wrong... That was for OnlyMeiya(sp?). Yea, I shoulda quoted it to clarify that. My bad.
OnlyMeiya
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We are at a complete impasse, sorry I see no reason to farther try and communicate with you. You keep repeating yourself,which is causing me to repeat myself. You always have to try and have the last word or something which usually has to consist of the same dialogue of "I'm finding this amusing/funny,getting laughs, ect."
You're a smarter person than this.
I get what you're saying but the rhetoric that everyone keeps blurting out as an answer is not an answer to leave pvp in the broken state it is in.
Was the game designed for PVE? Yes
Was the game designed to have PVP? Yes, (Obviously PVP is in the game and its an option to choose)
Do TFP want to focus more on PVE? Yes, and thats fine,
Does that mean TFP should leave PVP how it is? No, it doesn't.
Everyone seems to think its okay to just ignore pvp and leave it as is because of again, the PVE confirmation bias.
(All we see are people talking about pve/sp so therefore thats all we think the players want, which is incorrect)
PVPers just get run off because of the headache dealing with trying to make people understand things from our side, its easy to sit atop a golden throne and look down on everyone else when there is nothing detrimentally wrong with your side of things.
Instead of saying "Hey, yea we agree, pvp is broken, maybe TFP can try doing this <x> or <y> or <z> it shouldn't be to hard to implement and shouldn't negatively impact PVE and shouldn't detract too much time from the focus, instead it falls down to people don't want to think, no one wants to give constructive answers to fix the problems at hand and would rather fall back on that same answer
"The focus is PVE either mod it or play something else." What do you do when none of those are options or good choices? I would love to work along side of some of my friends who used to host a 7 days server and figure out ways to mod the server so that the game was fun for PVP again for us, but the problem is we cannot mod the things we need to mod in order to do that, you're throwing a bad answer around like people throw the word "Love" around like a Frisbee at the beach.
Help us find a resolution, not stomp on our genitals and laugh.
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