PC Alpha 17 is a big win for PVP players

I am VERY..VERY...VERY TIRED of hearing this rhetoric! Its everyone's Go to god damn answer anytime anything for/related to PVP is mentioned.
Stop bringing it up, WE KNOW. Its been heard to death and I feel like people simply pop up into existence now just to feel like they commented on something.

My point was that This while being a PVE game, has amazing PVP potential and back in Alpha 10 - 15 PVP was very fun.

My point is that the PVE community is using confirmation bias because there are more PVE players on this forums, players are using PVE bias because its all anyone talks about on here, know why? Because all the real PVPers have moved onto PVP games, however, they do exist, and they still exist, and many of them purchased a copy of this game and either refunded it because no PVP love or quit in hopes that one day PVP will obtain some attention but every proceeding patch just destroys pvp/multiplayer more.

You know why? Because I have to purchase other games just to play with the same friends that I used to play with on this one. That sucks.

and I don't want to buy 75% of them because they don't have crafting or environment manipulation to the extent that 7d2d has.

Dude take a chill pill. Sorry you feel that way but no it will not stop being brought up so not what to tell you besides ignore it if you don't like it. Until TFP come out and say oh we changed our minds and now designing the game around pvp then the point stands like it or not. As it has been said over and over again just because they are not designing it around pvp doesn't mean they don't try to do what they can when they can for pvp. As it has also been said over and over again mods will be available to further advance the play style for pvp. Also again and again they make the game easily mod friendly so one can mod what they wish if one does not want to download a mod. But it doesn't change the fact that the game isn't designed around pvp so you are not going to stop seeing that. So suggest looking the other way. But no reason to come across that way sorry it bothers you this much.

 
I like your positive attitude, OP, and I’m glad you’re able to have fun your own way. Hopefully we can all agree that’s a good thing.

 
The PVP'ers have moved on to other games actually. The large majority of your players were PVP, and they always will be, but so long as the game focuses too intently on PVE and single player your pvpers will play the other games, the moment TFP shifts back into PVP and balancing it to be a better experience to make playing online more viable for extended seed play then you will understand how much PVP outnumbers PVE.
If that's true and most of the PvPers have left and Steam playing numbers are still this high? Good Riddance PvPers. Now that you've all left we won't have to hear the constant begging for attention to PvP balance that TFP has said often will come at the end of the dev process.

 
Dude take a chill pill. Sorry you feel that way but no it will not stop being brought up so not what to tell you besides ignore it if you don't like it. Until TFP come out and say oh we changed our minds and now designing the game around pvp then the point stands like it or not. As it has been said over and over again just because they are not designing it around pvp doesn't mean they don't try to do what they can when they can for pvp. As it has also been said over and over again mods will be available to further advance the play style for pvp. Also again and again they make the game easily mod friendly so one can mod what they wish if one does not want to download a mod. But it doesn't change the fact that the game isn't designed around pvp so you are not going to stop seeing that. So suggest looking the other way. But no reason to come across that way sorry it bothers you this much.
Don't patronize me thanks. The "Mod it" answer is getting annoying to read also. Not because you said it, but because everyone says it assuming I don't know. after the first 200 times I've read that answer.

I am and PVPers are very much aware of it, just because we bring an issue to light and the answer we get is "Fk you no one cares about pvp" is usually the treatment we get, its very tiresome to constantly read that when a small fix can literally save the state of pvp/mutli till they set in motion full pvp wheels. You guys have been seriously spoiled with all this PVE crap, when anyone mentions pvp everyone preaches this like we're low life scum or something, or not human beings wanting to enjoy a game we purchase every update you get something more and we lose extra.

If that's true and most of the PvPers have left and Steam playing numbers are still this high? Good Riddance PvPers. Now that you've all left we won't have to hear the constant begging for attention to PvP balance that TFP has said often will come at the end of the dev process.
Genjutsu of this level does not work on me.

 
Don't patronize me thanks. The "Mod it" answer is getting annoying to read also. Not because you said it, but because everyone says it assuming I don't know. after the first 200 times I've read that answer.

I am and PVPers are very much aware of it, just because we bring an issue to light and the answer we get is "Fk you no one cares about pvp" is usually the treatment we get, its very tiresome to constantly read that when a small fix can literally save the state of pvp/mutli till they set in motion full pvp wheels. You guys have been seriously spoiled with all this PVE crap, when anyone mentions pvp everyone preaches this like we're low life scum or something, or not human beings wanting to enjoy a game we purchase every update you get something more and we lose extra.

Genjutsu of this level does not work on me.

But yet you are the one getting so upset.

Anyway, I don't recall ever saying I have issues with pvp players. So please point out where I said this. Assuming things about people well I'm not going to get into that. I don't mind pvp at all and often enjoy it.

Again you are tired of hearing about the things that are true. TFP made the game mod friendly nothing is wrong with that at all. Why is modding something looked at as a bad thing? They are not going to be able to please everyone so thankfully it is mod friendly.

I'm glad the OP has found the game as it stands at the moment enjoyable in the pvp state. But for those that still don't and tired of hearing it or not this game is not designed around pvp so not sure what is hard to understand about that. It isn't like they completely toss out pvp playstyle. It isn't like they don't do what they can when they can.

This game is not designed around pvp if what they have set up and will keep working on doesn't fit your likes based on that and if modding is not the answer for you to create a more pvp style that you prefer then all I can say is maybe just maybe this game isn't for you.

Take it or leave that is up to you. I can see already we will agree to disagree so no point in repeating the same stuff over and over again. Have a good one and hope you will start to enjoy whatever you end up doing and not let little things upset you so much.

 
I used to be a huge PvP player, but since introducing rediculous damage reduction numbers via armor, the PvP has become a *who has less of a life* contest. I still don't understand why damage reduction is so high even after all this time. Honestly, please, someone tell me of another game that allows you to achieve 95% damage reduction. Please. It's so ridiculous it makes my head hurt.

 
I used to be a huge PvP player, but since introducing rediculous damage reduction numbers via armor, the PvP has become a *who has less of a life* contest. I still don't understand why damage reduction is so high even after all this time. Honestly, please, someone tell me of another game that allows you to achieve 95% damage reduction. Please. It's so ridiculous it makes my head hurt.
Balancing and tweaking the perks are clearly something they have to work on still. I think you need to take it with a grain of salt at the moment since this is not only an alpha build... it's an experimental alpha build. As we have also seen as well TFP are willing to listen to feedback and make adjustments.

Otherwise if you look past the rough edges the game is a lot of fun in regards to the PVP still.

 
But yet you are the one getting so upset.
Anyway, I don't recall ever saying I have issues with pvp players. So please point out where I said this. Assuming things about people well I'm not going to get into that. I don't mind pvp at all and often enjoy it.

Again you are tired of hearing about the things that are true. TFP made the game mod friendly nothing is wrong with that at all. Why is modding something looked at as a bad thing? They are not going to be able to please everyone so thankfully it is mod friendly.

I'm glad the OP has found the game as it stands at the moment enjoyable in the pvp state. But for those that still don't and tired of hearing it or not this game is not designed around pvp so not sure what is hard to understand about that. It isn't like they completely toss out pvp playstyle. It isn't like they don't do what they can when they can.

This game is not designed around pvp if what they have set up and will keep working on doesn't fit your likes based on that and if modding is not the answer for you to create a more pvp style that you prefer then all I can say is maybe just maybe this game isn't for you.

Take it or leave that is up to you. I can see already we will agree to disagree so no point in repeating the same stuff over and over again. Have a good one and hope you will start to enjoy whatever you end up doing and not let little things upset you so much.
There is a difference between "upset" and just plain annoyed. I'm not demanding changes just stating some facts and it would be nice if I wasn't treated differently just because my opinion differs between this dichotomy of "PVE vs PVP" since many of you are brainwashed into believing that you must bash on the players that enjoy PVP and just because the game is not "intended designed for PVP" with a few simple "hot fixes" the state of pvp could be enjoyable once again, yea, we can mod it but how many servers do I have to search for before I find one that gets it right? I don't have the time to host my own server.

They're all going to be different and that inconsistency is like looking for that one pear among the apples in the super market, its likely one got mixed up but you probably won't find it.

Lets put it this way.

PVE is dinner and PVP is lunch.

If you're a restaurant which do you serve?

Dinner because it has more customers? No, Lunch has just as many if not more customers if you're in the right location and serve the right type of food.

7 days has a very intricate combination of game elements and mechanics that easily mold PVE and PVP together, yet everyone insists the only thing that matters is Dinner (PVE), and many of us are hungry at lunch time, but we already paid and don't get served and if we want to get served we have to come back at dinner time.

Be a little more considerate and less condescending when you're responding to us that enjoy PVP, we are players/customers and more importantly human beings too, and we really don't ask for much and what we do ask for may not even really change your experience at all, so is it fair for my favorite aspect to suffer while you're enjoying your experience? I have played this game for over 5 years, and have purchased multiple copies for many friends (5 copies exactly) and now of those 5 copies, only 1 is being used, mine because the state of PVP is actually so bad they stopped playing.

What am I supposed to just go purchase and play another game till they put some love into PVP? Thats not how it works, and if it is, that's very bad customer service.

Stop with this dichotomy, PVPers are not your enemy we simply want to enjoy the damn game too and back when most of us purchased it, it was very fun for PVP, its just not fun now, we have a right to voice our opinions without being ostracized.

Does that make sense to you?

 
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There is a difference between "upset" and just plain annoyed. I'm not demanding changes just stating some facts and it would be nice if I wasn't treated differently just because my opinion differs between this dichotomy of "PVE vs PVP" since many of you are brainwashed into believing that you must bash on the players that enjoy PVP.
To add to that point, I stated specifically that this game is a "PVP gem", meaning that it's actually a really fun PVP game right out of the box, something I don't think was done intentionally, but happened anyways.

I think it would be foolish for TFP to ignore this very large group of players, especially when they have made such an appealing product for them nearly by accident.

As for the PVP vs PVE nonsense that people get hung up about, you can have both strong pve and strong pvp in a single game, it isn't easy, but it can be done. The mentality issues come from everyone making assumptions about either group, and yes the bad apples will exist in both.

Cheers!

 
To add to that point, I stated specifically that this game is a "PVP gem", meaning that it's actually a really fun PVP game right out of the box, something I don't think was done intentionally, but happened anyways.
I think it would be foolish for TFP to ignore this very large group of players, especially when they have made such an appealing product for them nearly by accident.

As for the PVP vs PVE nonsense that people get hung up about, you can have both strong pve and strong pvp in a single game, it isn't easy, but it can be done. The mentality issues come from everyone making assumptions about either group, and yes the bad apples will exist in both.

Cheers!
Cheers, and I mean hey, at least im not "Demanding" and "entitling" myself that steel be available at a lower level just because I want to craft a motorcycle sooner.

I just have a voice and an opinion, it deserves to be heard but this is how these forums work

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It isn't that we are outnumbered, its just that many just gave up trying to have a voice since its a headache to try and bother. Thus they went to play other games.

you have how many topics all pertaining to PVE balance/whining/crying/bitching and how many do you actually see for PVP? Its like 1 or 2 posts in a sea of hundreds.

 
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It isn't that we are outnumbered, its just that many just gave up trying to have a voice since its a headache to try and bother. Thus they went to play other games.
Looks like the PvEers are better at forum-PvP, gotta up your game, n00bz! ;]

Jokes aside, I share konrax' opinion, that it's a redundant dichotomy, specifically in 7dtd. It's one of very few games that really could bring the two together in a fun way. (And already did to some degree, even if it was never really perfect.)

 
Looks like the PvEers are better at forum-PvP, gotta up your game, n00bz! ;]

Jokes aside, I share konrax' opinion, that it's a redundant dichotomy, specifically in 7dtd. It's one of very few games that really could bring the two together in a fun way. (And already did to some degree, even if it was never really perfect.)
As I've stated, its DayZ meets Minecraft.

 
What am I supposed to just go purchase and play another game till they put some love into PVP? Thats not how it works, and if it is, that's very bad customer service.
What you're "supposed" to do? Read and understand what TFP has said about PvP. Work on it will come (to the extent that it comes at all) at the END of the development cycle. It's fairly simple english. It is repeated in basically the same way everytime it is addressed by TFP. Your bringing it up prior to that point is unproductive at best and annoying at worst.

 
What you're "supposed" to do? Read and understand what TFP has said about PvP. Work on it will come (to the extent that it comes at all) at the END of the development cycle. It's fairly simple english. It is repeated in basically the same way everytime it is addressed by TFP. Your bringing it up prior to that point is unproductive at best and annoying at worst.
i would just keep going to keep u triggered but naahhh its not worth it :D too much hate here in forums against pvp players. Too bad because we all play the same game :(

 
What you're "supposed" to do? Read and understand what TFP has said about PvP. Work on it will come (to the extent that it comes at all) at the END of the development cycle. It's fairly simple english. It is repeated in basically the same way everytime it is addressed by TFP. Your bringing it up prior to that point is unproductive at best and annoying at worst.
After I just iterated that all everyone does is bring up this is a PVE intended game and if you don't like it mod it, you're all literally doing the same thing.

If it doesn't involve PVE you don't care, it doesn't affect you. It still affects the many of us that do and many stop playing and have stopped playing over the years due to this. Literally over 80% of my friends list are people from 7daystodie and only a very small handful of them even still play it, friends of mine that were long term admin of their own servers have shut down their servers and moved on to play other games, its very depression to see this.

I think you fail to understand why many of us originally bought 7 days to die. To put it short, the pvp was very enjoyable and fun back then, and now PVP is a cluster of broken mechanics that literally makes PVP borderline unplayable now in its current installment.

I would not purchase this game today seeing the current lack of attention for PVP, and if I did buy it, I would refund it after experiencing the state it was in.

Instead of working with us to seeing what our needs are and TFP acknowledging there is a huge problem and what we can communicate that would help fix it, you forum rats would rather take up arms and try to drown us out in your rhetoric.

If you bought the game because of crafting and crafting stayed broken for more than 7 alpha patches, Im sure you would vocalize your opinions as well. That's what we are doing, rather, trying, and instead of working for a resolution so that all paying customers can at least enjoy the game (without suggesting play another game when the game wasn't broken for PVP when I bought it )

I don't have time to host my own server and mod it for PVP, I would spend more time admining than I would be making sure the game is stable, so I still wouldn't be enjoying it, and there aren't any good PVP servers hosting right now.

Honestly that answer "PVE intended game/don't like it mod it" is becoming a pathetic surmount to an answer to the PVP communities current problem, yet its the only answer you PVE fanboys seem to come up with and try to drive us away from the forums with your hate speeches.

Thats why all you see online at the moment is mostly PVE, because PVP is just too broken atm.

Raiding is broken, end game PVP is beyond destroyed.

Imagine playing World of Warcraft for 6 years, the pvp was amazing in that game, now imagine how many people would quit or would be pissed off if they broken PVP in that game, and then focused entirely on PVE.

That is basically what has happened with 7daystodie, and yet we ask for very little just so pvp isn't broken to hell and yet everyone has to throw that same statement at us as if our purchase initially didn't matter.

 
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Smh you you get insulted but nowhere have I insulted you or bashed you besides you losing your cool and trying to tell me what I can post and not post. But here you are repeatedly insulting anyone that isn't on your side of things. Now it is pvp fanboys. Ok well hate to bust your bubble but nothing you have said has got under my skin and to use the word fanboy well go ahead it has been used over and over again even before this game was even thought about. So it is just a over used word that means nothing really. If that is how you want to put it then go ahead. Even if I play pvp as well I will be happy to be a pvp fanboy as you call it. :)

You have missed the point I think and not sure how to say it. Yes these things are over said but maybe it is because the game is still alpha and being worked on so not sure what you expect. If that is an issue as it has also been over used maybe a alpha game isn't for you. Nobody said they didn't care about pvp and a difference between the game not being designed around pvp vs not caring. They do try and do what they can for pvp and most likely will keep trying. But it will not change the fact that it still isn't designed around pvp. But right now we don't know what all they will end up doing for the pvp part as the game isn't finished so in the mean time you have to mod it because it isn't a finished game. So if you want to take that as a bash toward pvp players then go ahead I'm not going to stop you. Just remember you came at me disrespectful but hey don't hurt my feelings none as I enjoy a good laugh every now and then.

 
Smh you you get insulted but nowhere have I insulted you or bashed you besides you losing your cool and trying to tell me what I can post and not post. But here you are repeatedly insulting anyone that isn't on your side of things. Now it is pvp fanboys. Ok well hate to bust your bubble but nothing you have said has got under my skin and to use the word fanboy well go ahead it has been used over and over again even before this game was even thought about. So it is just a over used word that means nothing really. If that is how you want to put it then go ahead. Even if I play pvp as well I will be happy to be a pvp fanboy as you call it. :)
You have missed the point I think and not sure how to say it. Yes these things are over said but maybe it is because the game is still alpha and being worked on so not sure what you expect. If that is an issue as it has also been over used maybe a alpha game isn't for you. Nobody said they didn't care about pvp and a difference between the game not being designed around pvp vs not caring. They do try and do what they can for pvp and most likely will keep trying. But it will not change the fact that it still isn't designed around pvp. But right now we don't know what all they will end up doing for the pvp part as the game isn't finished so in the mean time you have to mod it because it isn't a finished game. So if you want to take that as a bash toward pvp players then go ahead I'm not going to stop you. Just remember you came at me disrespectful but hey don't hurt my feelings none as I enjoy a good laugh every now and then.
I'm not insulting anyone,I used a few metaphors to reference how you PVErs typically act towards us in regards to PVP, its not an insult its a fact, I stated facts and you got offended, that doesn't make me offensive, but that can make you fascist.

but I am aggravated that rather than try and make both sides equally playable we only want to focus on one and don't care about the other is a horrible way to go about things and you literally alienate your customers and/or fellow players who purchase the game years ago for its PVP when PVP wasn't broken.

I didn't miss the point, I'm saying your point isn't a good answer to the problem, and my point is that this game had amazing potential for PVP and rather accentuate on it, they destroyed it.

and this rhetoric

the game isn't finished so in the mean time you have to mod it because it isn't a finished game.
Is also becoming annoying, I already touched on it earler and don't see a reason to revist it but leaving an entire community of players alienated over an entirely broken system is not a good answer for just "Mod it" and currently I don't think we have a way to mod how land claim blocks work, and we cannot modify how the perks work, do you not see why it sounds good but doesn't work?
The game also hasn't been finished in over 6 years, and since TFP keep changing how the system works I don't think it'll ever be finished. I think this will keep on being dragged out till TFP move on to another project.

 
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PVP adjustments won’t be finished till the game is finished. PVE is the priority because that is what 99% of the players do.

Single player.

They have to make that work before pvp can be tuned.

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I have joined too many to count PVE MP servers and it’s almost always people doing their own thing and rarely grouping up. People just want to do their thing and be around others.

 
PVP adjustments won’t be finished till the game is finished. PVE is the priority because that is what 99% of the players do.
Single player.

They have to make that work before pvp can be tuned.

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I have joined too many to count PVE MP servers and it’s almost always people doing their own thing and rarely grouping up. People just want to do their thing and be around others.
This is actually a false narrative,only made apparently by the PVE playerbase on these forums exclusively, you know why? because all the pvp players don't play hardly anymore or converted to just play PVE for the time being (similar to how I have just been playing single player because of how broken MP/PVP is atm)

I think we just cling to a "false hope." I personally don't feel that it will ever come.

Not only that but anytime anyone trys to mention anything for PVP I return to my previous statement how we're treated very harshly/unfairly with poor answers from the current community.

PVP will almost always equalize the majority or out number the PVEers by slightly, and that's something statically shown in any games with both PVE and PVP elements.

PVE isn't the entirety of the games playe base and that variable is very misleading if the only data you're deriving it from is from this forums for this particular patch.\

See we really don't need much for pvp to not be a broken mess, yet no one even considers it and that same fall back answer is all anyone comes up with, its very unfair when you consider when many of us bought the game, PVP and MP were not in the sorry state they are now.

Lots of things you PVErs cry about is getting looked at, don't be greedy, we need some attention as well, this isn't "your" game, its our game, remember that PVE'ers, and some day I'll gladly play with you, for pve or pvp. It doesn't matter but I want to be able to equally enjoy both aspects, not only one.

 
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