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A19e Nitrogen - UNSTABLE

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There seems to be no temperature changes on the maps generated. It stays 21.11 degrees no matter where. IS it map gen or a19 that causes the issue.

 
Would it be even possible for the program to restore the old Hubcity in wasteland and have smaller towns strewn around? I really miss A15 type maps 😕 but that's probably not doable with the small map sizes we have to use now :(

If not now, it would be a sweet future feature.

 
Firstly, thanks for creating an alternative map maker for 7D2D! It's so nice having options and something that can generate so quickly. 

Quick Question: Is there anyway possible to get this to generate POI's like the native map maker? What I mean by that is the native generator seems to create residential, commercial, and industrial "areas" and spread similar POI's away from one another. However, I noticed with Nitrogen, it's completely random... for example... at one intersection I had a mansion, an  industrial building, a store, and trailer, and a few doors down, the same type of store as what was on the corner. There are no sections of houses... just houses mixed in between commercial and industrial. The roads in the cities are also a bit of a mess. In the native generator, the roads are more of a grid like a real city but in Nitrogen, the streets have a lot of dead ends, or roads running into the back of POI's... hard to explain but just very unorganized. 

Not trying to complain because I love the world generation of Nitrogen... the landscaping and everything else is amazing... It's just how it builds cities and organizes POI's that is a bit off for me. 

 
First, thanks for this amazing tool - I can't remember the last time I played on a non-Nitro map!

I note that import_HM.png is flipped vertically - is this by design? Not that it's really a big deal.

On a separate note, please see the attached heightmap and corresponding preview map. Is there anyway to prevent towns being generated in the water? Whilst it could be quite a cool map, it's not what I'm after at the moment :)

Thanks in advance.

(original map nabbed from here: https://medium.com/@travall/procedural-2d-island-generation-noise-functions-13976bddeaf9)

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I think I've answered my own question. Water apparently needs to be totally #000000. This island came out much better. I really love the way Nitrogen generates urban sprawl. Super cool.

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400hrs playing 7 days, just started a 10.2k map with a map generated from this and the a19 patched poi pack so neat. Like a new game. Thank you for the SUPER neat mod/map generator app. I had couldn't get my server to run the custom map for whatever reasons (it's not like the instructions are hard) but runs great on 7 days host. I will fiddle with server again later. Super neat. Thank you so much. like a whole new game with all the new POI and map layout. 

 
I'm not very tech savvy so I need a little help trouble shooting, my first time using this and I'm stuck at this stage, what do I do? I left it for about 30 minutes and it still is stuck there. If it just needs more time, how do I check nitrogen is still running?

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darkblade_777 said:
I'm not very tech savvy so I need a little help trouble shooting, my first time using this and I'm stuck at this stage, what do I do? I left it for about 30 minutes and it still is stuck there. If it just needs more time, how do I check nitrogen is still running?

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If this isn't a 4k/8k world, then wait at least an hour.. still, 16k world is 4x bigger than 8k

 
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CrazyAluminum said:
If this isn't a 4k/8k world, then wait at least an hour.. still, 16k world is 4x bigger than 8k
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It's an 8k world, should not be taking this long. Checked my task manager and it seemed to be using very little cpu and memory, there was a drop. Not sure why it happened.

Also, tested a 4k world, generated quite quickly but then when I tried to play it gave me "FileNotFoundException: No height data found for the world test"

 
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Dracathio said:
So... the program won't read the heigtmap from an existing output folder, nor will it read the biomes.

Why is this?  Is the program not made to reuse existing heightmaps that it itself made?
I mean it doesn't mind going and using the same exact height map from resources, but once I want it to reuse the height map from a folder it just can't read it.  Why is this?
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I am using custom heighmaps, you have to rename the heighmap for the import to work (off the top of my head the rename is IMPORT_HM.PNG and you then tell nitrogen to use the import_hm.png file, you can also combine it with a mask file to kind of limit where poi's can be built as well...

I would love it if there was an option to also use a custom biomes.png file as I have generated my own biomes file for a specific custom heightmap file and the preview always generates without the biomes file...  When I overwrite the generated biomes file with my custom one after nitrogen has generated the world, the game engine happily uses my cutsom biomes file.

Does anyone know if there is a setting in the config file for nitrogen to vertically (north/south) invert the generated world when using a custom height map and mask?

I am having this issue where when using my custom height map to generate a world, the generated world is inverted in the north south axis.  I know I can manually invert my heightmap in gimp and it should work fine as far as the world generation goes but it would be nice if there was an option inside of nitrogen that I am just missing / not seeing.

 
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Naive newbie question: If I get Nitrogen with compopack, do I get Compopack POIs PLUS the vanilla ones, or INSTEAD of them?

I only found answers to this question for older versions. So I'm not sure what applies right now. 

I ask because I love RWG worlds but don't want to miss some vanilla POIs. 

 
Recently I noticed that my server was heavy CPU on idle when no players connected. About 120% ( CPU is 8 cores so the max is 800%).

When someone connect, the CPU usage becomes again normal ( ~30% ).
 

This occurs after using the CPM resetrwgprefab or resetregionnow.

Since it's a self hosted machine, it make me crazy to see the CPU usage was higher than 5 players connected all the night and I investigated a lot to find the issue.
It was a 10k map with vanilla prefabs, with default nitrogen parameters.

So I wiped and removed all mods then ran « rrp » : same behavior

Then I generated a new 8k nitrogen map with default params : same behavior

I finally generated a 8k RWG, ran « rrp » and the CPU usage is now stable.
The server now have better server FPS and players didn't complain anymore about lags/fps drop even with 18/18 players connected. Even the bloodmoon is better on RWG than nitrogen.
There is clearly a huge performance issue at this time with nitrogen maps on multiplayer.

I spent 12 hours trying every cases to find out this. I even tried on a different machine to ensure it was not my hardware/software setup.

If you want to reproduce : Generate both 8k RWG/nitrogen map, run cpm-resetrwgprefab, disconnect and watch the server CPU usage.
You don't need any players to test, it happen on fresh map without building.

When you host your own dedicated server, it is not negligible, it consume power for nothing (and decrease the hardware lifetime)

I love nitrogen, maybe it's time to opensource the code to allow people see what happen, improve things and have an up-to-date software without waiting for months.

Thank you for your work, but for now I don't recommend nitrogen anymore.
 

 
Haze said:
Recently I noticed that my server was heavy CPU on idle when no players connected. About 120% ( CPU is 8 cores so the max is 800%).

When someone connect, the CPU usage becomes again normal ( ~30% ).
 

This occurs after using the CPM resetrwgprefab or resetregionnow.

Since it's a self hosted machine, it make me crazy to see the CPU usage was higher than 5 players connected all the night and I investigated a lot to find the issue.
It was a 10k map with vanilla prefabs, with default nitrogen parameters.

So I wiped and removed all mods then ran « rrp » : same behavior

Then I generated a new 8k nitrogen map with default params : same behavior

I finally generated a 8k RWG, ran « rrp » and the CPU usage is now stable.
The server now have better server FPS and players didn't complain anymore about lags/fps drop even with 18/18 players connected. Even the bloodmoon is better on RWG than nitrogen.
There is clearly a huge performance issue at this time with nitrogen maps on multiplayer.

I spent 12 hours trying every cases to find out this. I even tried on a different machine to ensure it was not my hardware/software setup.

If you want to reproduce : Generate both 8k RWG/nitrogen map, run cpm-resetrwgprefab, disconnect and watch the server CPU usage.
You don't need any players to test, it happen on fresh map without building.

When you host your own dedicated server, it is not negligible, it consume power for nothing (and decrease the hardware lifetime)

I love nitrogen, maybe it's time to opensource the code to allow people see what happen, improve things and have an up-to-date software without waiting for months.

Thank you for your work, but for now I don't recommend nitrogen anymore.
 
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Most likely it's due to Compopack POI's They can be huge FPS eaters.

 
So I'm trying to create an island map for my personal server.  It's based on an actual island in Lake Superior.  My plan is for it to be an all-snow biome.  It's Lake Superior.  I actually have the heightmap working and I can generate a nice map.  I've set the biome to "only snow" but it isn't working.  It creates a forest biome every time.  It creates a green biomes.png every time.  Anyone have any advice?

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soo another alpha .. another chance for nitrogen (and another awfull issue🤦‍♀️ )

all tier 1 quests at 4 traders are buried treasures bad luck ? 20x refreshed quests and still only buried treasures

so i tried to generate another map  same issue   1 trader 10x refresh

POI are normaly present

is this some new feature of nitrogen ?

or it simply fail to generate map correctly making POI that cannot be recognized by game leading to no fetch/clear quests?

(4096.wasteland only ,disabled vicious cracks.. everything else default)

 
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JCrook1028 said:
Sounds like vanilla coding looking for forest biome for level 1 quests and not finding any?
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jenniann said:
why is it if i make a world completely wasteland i always get NO Trader Found? And is there any way to fix it
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poked in xml a little ... and guess i should earlier

White River Citizen 1 - Journey to Settlement

tier1_fetch

tier1_clear

tier2_nexttrader

tier3_nexttrader

ignore targets placed in wasteland .... leading to no valid trader/quest target on wasteland only map  ....

tier 2+ fetch /clear and tier 4/5  of next trader  ..  should be fine

so yeah   its not issue  with nitrogen ... but with wasteland only map not supported by game ... kinda remember a17 map working fine ... but it kinda makes sense they dont want to send beginners into wasteland on lvl  1

<objective type="Goto" id="trader" value="5" phase="1">
            <property name="nav_object" value="go_to_trader" />
            <property name="biome_filter_type" value="ExcludeBiome" />
            <property name="biome_filter" value="wasteland" />
        </objective>
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if someone wanted fix  .... just delete bold lines in quests.xml (for each quest individualy )

 
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