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A19e Nitrogen - UNSTABLE
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ButchyBear
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Is there any plans to put this up in Git? I wouldn't mind toying around with the world generation. Like removing the sand from ore clusters to produce caves.
Damocles
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The ore clusters and detail vegetation/stones etc cant be defined by the world files. Its generated by the game after importing the world-files and generating the actual chunks.
So the only way for caves I see is creating cave-POIs currently. (NitroGen loads 4 caves from the prefabs, so technically there are some)
Once there are new cave-prefabs, they could be easily added to the NitroGen list of prefabs.
Procedural caves would be something they have to define in code, when generating the chunk voxels.
Or have additional imports for the world files. (like a voxel "overwrite patch")
So the only way for caves I see is creating cave-POIs currently. (NitroGen loads 4 caves from the prefabs, so technically there are some)
Once there are new cave-prefabs, they could be easily added to the NitroGen list of prefabs.
Procedural caves would be something they have to define in code, when generating the chunk voxels.
Or have additional imports for the world files. (like a voxel "overwrite patch")
Hello,
I run DF experimental and sorcery and found Nitrogen very tempting.
After testing it out and reading a bit in this thread i found that the prefablist was not DF ready, i did fix that with some scripting and correcting, based on the file you had in the resources folder. While i wrote the script to collect the needed info from the prefab.xml files i realized that you do not include the "allowed biomes" info they come with and after testing a good dozen test runs generating random maps i saw that i never got any wasteland and burnt forest on the result, except of course the border i could choose. Now i believe you already know what i am going to suggest.
Why not include the allowed biome info, if the xml comes without, go with any and make the generation even better?
I generated a new prefablist with python reading out all prefab.tts files header for their dimensions and adding the rest info from their corresponding xml files, so only some manual corrections for your generator specific values were needed.
Also a bit of a shame that you had so many smaller prefabs commented out, but i understand why. Just hope they may find a way in the generator someday.
That said, i can say it would not be too hard to read the allowed biome info out and add it as well, question is, would that be of any interest?
I would really love to see less of those steep streets and more natural maps, and since i'm really set on playing DF i kinda need those other biomes.
I would just edit the biomes.jpg, but that would not affect the generated prefab placing if i am not completely wrong, right?
You have a great project with a lot of potential and i am a big fan of the idea of NITROGEN and your work, keep it up.
I attached the prefablist file i generated, without the allowed biomes info, in case someone is interested in trying it out.
This is generated with all prefabs (with Darkness Falls experimental installed) in the data/prefab folder.
new prefablist DF.txt
I run DF experimental and sorcery and found Nitrogen very tempting.
After testing it out and reading a bit in this thread i found that the prefablist was not DF ready, i did fix that with some scripting and correcting, based on the file you had in the resources folder. While i wrote the script to collect the needed info from the prefab.xml files i realized that you do not include the "allowed biomes" info they come with and after testing a good dozen test runs generating random maps i saw that i never got any wasteland and burnt forest on the result, except of course the border i could choose. Now i believe you already know what i am going to suggest.
Why not include the allowed biome info, if the xml comes without, go with any and make the generation even better?
I generated a new prefablist with python reading out all prefab.tts files header for their dimensions and adding the rest info from their corresponding xml files, so only some manual corrections for your generator specific values were needed.
Also a bit of a shame that you had so many smaller prefabs commented out, but i understand why. Just hope they may find a way in the generator someday.
That said, i can say it would not be too hard to read the allowed biome info out and add it as well, question is, would that be of any interest?
I would really love to see less of those steep streets and more natural maps, and since i'm really set on playing DF i kinda need those other biomes.
I would just edit the biomes.jpg, but that would not affect the generated prefab placing if i am not completely wrong, right?
You have a great project with a lot of potential and i am a big fan of the idea of NITROGEN and your work, keep it up.
I attached the prefablist file i generated, without the allowed biomes info, in case someone is interested in trying it out.
This is generated with all prefabs (with Darkness Falls experimental installed) in the data/prefab folder.
new prefablist DF.txt
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Sure thing (corrected btw.), i just didn't want to start taking things out, so i commented out most that were commented out in the one coming with the generator.
Big fan of DF, so respect and happy i could help ya.
And to be honest, i wanted to see that portal spawn XD
But of course it shouldn't be placed all over the place, not that we get another Oblivion .. haha
Wonder tho what you intend to do with it later ??
Was just flying through and running along a new world with all the prefabs in it, found none so far that were either to high or low and sadly didn't find the portal either, not cheating with the maplist coordinates, nope. Discovering is one of the best parts.
Big fan of DF, so respect and happy i could help ya.
And to be honest, i wanted to see that portal spawn XD
But of course it shouldn't be placed all over the place, not that we get another Oblivion .. haha
Wonder tho what you intend to do with it later ??
Was just flying through and running along a new world with all the prefabs in it, found none so far that were either to high or low and sadly didn't find the portal either, not cheating with the maplist coordinates, nope. Discovering is one of the best parts.
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ExeBT
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Hey @Damoncless I loved your generator i was wating for this for too long, but i dont have the hability to make smth, Thank you for make and sharing it with us, I run dozens of word with custom Image and with the random ones and one thing that i dont liked was the prefabs in hills, it looks too much impossible to reach in a real world has smth in mind to not spawn prefabs in hills, not the cabins, and i want to make main road and city roads more large, can i make it? and how? if u have time to think about it, Thanks Again for the tool!!
Greetings,
Thank you for your answer.
Yes, I had merged the list with the NitroGen prefabs list already when I tried it. Just tried out the new 0.24 NitroGen version, but still get the same exception. The issue is as before; the map generates fine, but I cannot load it into Ravenhearst. I'm wondering whether this has something to do with NitroGen not generating Burnt Forest and Wasteland biomes, if Ravenhearst or Ravenhearst prefabs would expect those areas to be existent. Could that be?
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Damocles
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New version: 0.242 (same download link)
-added option to have wasteland (craters) and burned forest patches, unter the biomes selection
-roads can be set a bit (2 meters) wider
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I dont want to make the roads too wide, as this can cause problems with the smoothing of the terrain, and dangling POIs.
I dont really like the wasteland biome (mostly for its visual environment effect and as its nonsensical), so its optionally spawned as a huge crater (imagine the landscape was bombed to eradicate the outbreak)
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About the POI biome restrictions: most POIs work fine in all biomes, there are a few that dont work well (namely the snow POIs) But adding extra logic for those few would make it unnecessarily complex.
The prefab list excluded several POIs, I tried to keep as many in as possible but some are
-very specific handplaced decorations for Navezgane
-have snow (looks weired when spawned somewhere else)
-would require special logic to place correctly (the docks, the bridges and canyon POIs)
-are work in progress, some elements in them would break immersion
-added option to have wasteland (craters) and burned forest patches, unter the biomes selection
-roads can be set a bit (2 meters) wider
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I dont want to make the roads too wide, as this can cause problems with the smoothing of the terrain, and dangling POIs.
I dont really like the wasteland biome (mostly for its visual environment effect and as its nonsensical), so its optionally spawned as a huge crater (imagine the landscape was bombed to eradicate the outbreak)
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About the POI biome restrictions: most POIs work fine in all biomes, there are a few that dont work well (namely the snow POIs) But adding extra logic for those few would make it unnecessarily complex.
The prefab list excluded several POIs, I tried to keep as many in as possible but some are
-very specific handplaced decorations for Navezgane
-have snow (looks weired when spawned somewhere else)
-would require special logic to place correctly (the docks, the bridges and canyon POIs)
-are work in progress, some elements in them would break immersion
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Big thumbs up and thanks !!
Finally the burnt forest and wasteland is in, very happy i can now fiddle again.
Great idea btw. to make the wasteland appear in form of craters, tho i must admit they were a bit too small for me and i cranked their size up by 1.5 times. Hope you don't mind -.-'
I tried a few settings and found myself with a little problem tho, those awesome mountains are always too crazy high.
It's not that i am helpless and can't adjust the height-map generation resources to a weaker peak value, but i wondered if you would mind adding an option for that workaround to not be needed XD
I totally understand the reasons regarding the POI/prefabs, it was after all only an idea and would most certainly cause a lot more work on your side.
I bet KhaineGB will also be very happy about the addition and i hope we soon see some new worlds from him with some hand placed things .. maybe some portals XD to go along with his DF.
All in all a great tool, thanks for your work and time.
Hope to see more features, no preassure
Just thought of a post i read in this thread a bit back, since you use RNG for the generation and since i could not find a seed option, i would like to humbly ask if you would be willing to add an optional field for that, as well as "maybe" a preset(list) function we could use to save our setups with (including the seed) then it would be possible to share and compare.
Finally the burnt forest and wasteland is in, very happy i can now fiddle again.
Great idea btw. to make the wasteland appear in form of craters, tho i must admit they were a bit too small for me and i cranked their size up by 1.5 times. Hope you don't mind -.-'
I tried a few settings and found myself with a little problem tho, those awesome mountains are always too crazy high.
It's not that i am helpless and can't adjust the height-map generation resources to a weaker peak value, but i wondered if you would mind adding an option for that workaround to not be needed XD
I totally understand the reasons regarding the POI/prefabs, it was after all only an idea and would most certainly cause a lot more work on your side.
I bet KhaineGB will also be very happy about the addition and i hope we soon see some new worlds from him with some hand placed things .. maybe some portals XD to go along with his DF.
All in all a great tool, thanks for your work and time.
Hope to see more features, no preassure
Just thought of a post i read in this thread a bit back, since you use RNG for the generation and since i could not find a seed option, i would like to humbly ask if you would be willing to add an optional field for that, as well as "maybe" a preset(list) function we could use to save our setups with (including the seed) then it would be possible to share and compare.
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Damocles
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About the seed:Big thumbs up and thanks !!
Finally the burnt forest and wasteland is in, very happy i can now fiddle again.
Great idea btw. to make the wasteland appear in form of craters, tho i must admit they were a bit too small for me and i cranked their size up by 1.5 times. Hope you don't mind -.-'
I tried a few settings and found myself with a little problem tho, those awesome mountains are always too crazy high.
It's not that i am helpless and can't adjust the height-map generation resources to a weaker peak value, but i wondered if you would mind adding an option for that workaround to not be needed XD
I totally understand the reasons regarding the POI/prefabs, it was after all only an idea and would most certainly cause a lot more work on your side.
I bet KhaineGB will also be very happy about the addition and i hope we soon see some new worlds from him with some hand placed things .. maybe some portals XD to go along with his DF.
All in all a great tool, thanks for your work and time.
Hope to see more features, no preassure
Just thought of a post i read in this thread a bit back, since you use RNG for the generation and since i could not find a seed option, i would like to humbly ask if you would be willing to add an optional field for that, as well as "maybe" a preset(list) function we could use to save our setups with (including the seed) then it would be possible to share and compare.
while it would be possible to insert a seed, it would only give the same results on other clients if ALL options are set to the same value.
That could be an idea when I dont plan any further changes, as any change would also completely change the results.
(All generation steps draw from the same random pool)
The vanilla RWG does not have manual configuration options in the UI, so sharing a seed works better here.
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With the mountains I tried to have a scenic "Alpine" look. They are pretty hight, also as to use the full range of the possible hight.
I can think about a parameter to set the impact of the peaks.
But the best results would come from custom hightmap brushes here, if you want a specific look. (Should be enough to just smooth and reduce the white value on the mountain tops, and maybe remove the snow biome color values in the mask, if you want high green hills).
Get the situation with the seed and results changing with new features, but it could give a possibility to maybe affect the randomness of the generation in a more drastic way, don't know tho how you jumble the seed every time we press the button.
No complains in regards to the mountains, realism based generation is making the worlds look so good.
And sorry, but i just found that there were some wrong values in the oldwest prefabs yoffsets, since i let my parser read out all those values from the files itself and did not expect them to be wrong i had to find out the hard way flying in the world.
I corrected the file i attached in my previous post, a bit above in the previous page.
No complains in regards to the mountains, realism based generation is making the worlds look so good.
And sorry, but i just found that there were some wrong values in the oldwest prefabs yoffsets, since i let my parser read out all those values from the files itself and did not expect them to be wrong i had to find out the hard way flying in the world.
I corrected the file i attached in my previous post, a bit above in the previous page.
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Damocles
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The results are completely random every time you start / restart the generation.
At the start of the program, the random Object is initialized with a seed calculated from the current nanosecond counter. A classic pseudo-random function.
So there will be no observable repeating patterns (that could be fixed be manually setting the seed), outside of the existing limitations of the generation. (Any time a very small change is done to the generation, the output is completely different)
The approach I took here is theoretically less random than the noise-map based approach in the vanilla RWG, but it also gives me more control over the outcome.
And one of my main goals is, that any generated default map is fun to play for a normal vanilla user (who would likely not try out several maps, but just wants one to play on). It should not just be a few good maps with a lucky draw on the distribution of features and POIs.
For anyone who likes to experiment, there should also be lots of custom options. All the way to allowing to import a selfauthored hightmap.
At the start of the program, the random Object is initialized with a seed calculated from the current nanosecond counter. A classic pseudo-random function.
So there will be no observable repeating patterns (that could be fixed be manually setting the seed), outside of the existing limitations of the generation. (Any time a very small change is done to the generation, the output is completely different)
The approach I took here is theoretically less random than the noise-map based approach in the vanilla RWG, but it also gives me more control over the outcome.
And one of my main goals is, that any generated default map is fun to play for a normal vanilla user (who would likely not try out several maps, but just wants one to play on). It should not just be a few good maps with a lucky draw on the distribution of features and POIs.
For anyone who likes to experiment, there should also be lots of custom options. All the way to allowing to import a selfauthored hightmap.
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Totally agree with the randomness, just wondered how you implemented it
That aside i always remember my grandfather, who tested my programs when i was younger, hehe, he clicked every button, even if it made no sense at that moment, but that way we always found the loopholes i would not have thought about back then.
Long story short, some buttons can be dangerous if left active while what they start is running, but sometimes what they run can take time and may be nice if it could be interrupted.
So here my suggestion:
- Allow stopping the generation mid way:
It's already very fast and i believe for most it's easy to just wait or close the program and start again, but looking for something that looks
balanced while randomly generating in regards of biome distribution is rather time consuming.
I always keep the output folder open and check the biomes and heightmap while the generation is running, sometimes i wish i could restart
when i see the biomes, tho mostly in regards of craters/wasteland and burned forest, but also if there is no snow or desert at all.
- I found that the citys don't have a main road, was wondering if you could implement something like that? (sounds complicated already tho)
Hope you don't think i want to nag, far from that, really love your tool and want to help (bad with java tho
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RadioActiveGoat
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Is there a way to locate the traders with Previewmap?
(I know you can see them in prefabs)
(I know you can see them in prefabs)
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