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Damocles
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The imported hightmap is 8 bit, as it uses the workflow of the normal generator. Having a 16 bit version input is possible, but the problem would be that most user likely cant create one without converting from 8bit in the first place (unless the terrain is made in a terrain editor like the one from Unity)
So any squared greyscale PNG will work. (Btw: only the green channel is loaded).
It can be handdrawn or just converted from a real hightmap.
For good result without block-shaped the imported terrain should be the target maps size.
Smaller maps will be smoothed a bit, but 800x800 will look blocky, there is just not enough information in the image.
For an 8K map it should be at least 2048x2048 for good results.
Very important is to assure that the "ground" level is at 35 (wich converts to about 35 meters above bedrock). Below that the generator will spawn water.
The final and smoothed output will be a 16 bit hightmap.
So any squared greyscale PNG will work. (Btw: only the green channel is loaded).
It can be handdrawn or just converted from a real hightmap.
For good result without block-shaped the imported terrain should be the target maps size.
Smaller maps will be smoothed a bit, but 800x800 will look blocky, there is just not enough information in the image.
For an 8K map it should be at least 2048x2048 for good results.
Very important is to assure that the "ground" level is at 35 (wich converts to about 35 meters above bedrock). Below that the generator will spawn water.
The final and smoothed output will be a 16 bit hightmap.
Ravenhearst info
(look for the updated list(s) in the new GitHub repository: )
https://github.com/NickPhaedra/7-Days-to-Die-NitroGen-Prefab-Lists/tree/Prefablists
I left out the following six, as some files for these are missing - I couldn't load them into the prefab editor, therefore I don't know the correct x,y,z dimensions:
rh5_7EndStore(by_Jackelmyer),COMMERCIAL;DOWNTOWN;INDUSTRIAL;RESIDENTIALNEW,2,-1,6,11,6,smalltown;downtown;citycenter;industrial
rh5_Amityville_Horror_House(by_Swolk),RESIDENTIALNEW;RESIDENTIALOLD,2,-1,6,11,6,houses;smalltown
rh5_MonsterFlexGym(by_Swolk),COMMERCIAL;DOWNTOWN,2,-3,6,11,6,alone;smalltown;downtown;citycenter
rh5_SUBDAY(by_Swolk),COMMERCIAL;DOWNTOWN;INDUSTRIAL;RESIDENTIALNEW;RESIDENTIALOLD,2,-2,6,11,6,alone;smalltown;downtown;citycenter;industrial
rh5_TacoBele(by_Swolk),COMMERCIAL;DOWNTOWN;INDUSTRIAL;RESIDENTIALNEW;RESIDENTIALOLD,2,-6,6,11,6,alone;smalltown;downtown;citycenter;industrial
rh5_Walcart(by_Swolk),COMMERCIAL;DOWNTOWN;INDUSTRIAL;RESIDENTIALNEW;RESIDENTIALOLD,2,-2,6,11,6,alone;smalltown;downtown;citycenter;industrial
The map itself seems to get generated fine. However, whenever I want to start up Ravenhearst with the generated map, the game throws an exception and stops loading:
Started thread GenerateChunks
IndexOutOfRangeException: Array index is out of range.
I tried the whole day now with various generator settings, tried to generate from the vanilla, also from the Ravenhearst folder, always the same problem.
Apart from that, I cannot say whether or not everything I made up is correct or if anything is missing. In fact, this is my first time doing this.
If anyone could take a look and / or try out for oneself, I'd really appreciate any advice to get a generated map running.
Apart from all that, Damocles, really appreciate your work. Would it be possible to include river and ocean generation in your tool in the future? Just asking. I'm already happy there's a different generator apart from the vanilla one out.
Indeed, it wasn't fun. Nevertheless, I have made a list for Ravenhearst 5.13 prefabs with the available data, to whom it may concern:
(look for the updated list(s) in the new GitHub repository: )
https://github.com/NickPhaedra/7-Days-to-Die-NitroGen-Prefab-Lists/tree/Prefablists
I left out the following six, as some files for these are missing - I couldn't load them into the prefab editor, therefore I don't know the correct x,y,z dimensions:
rh5_7EndStore(by_Jackelmyer),COMMERCIAL;DOWNTOWN;INDUSTRIAL;RESIDENTIALNEW,2,-1,6,11,6,smalltown;downtown;citycenter;industrial
rh5_Amityville_Horror_House(by_Swolk),RESIDENTIALNEW;RESIDENTIALOLD,2,-1,6,11,6,houses;smalltown
rh5_MonsterFlexGym(by_Swolk),COMMERCIAL;DOWNTOWN,2,-3,6,11,6,alone;smalltown;downtown;citycenter
rh5_SUBDAY(by_Swolk),COMMERCIAL;DOWNTOWN;INDUSTRIAL;RESIDENTIALNEW;RESIDENTIALOLD,2,-2,6,11,6,alone;smalltown;downtown;citycenter;industrial
rh5_TacoBele(by_Swolk),COMMERCIAL;DOWNTOWN;INDUSTRIAL;RESIDENTIALNEW;RESIDENTIALOLD,2,-6,6,11,6,alone;smalltown;downtown;citycenter;industrial
rh5_Walcart(by_Swolk),COMMERCIAL;DOWNTOWN;INDUSTRIAL;RESIDENTIALNEW;RESIDENTIALOLD,2,-2,6,11,6,alone;smalltown;downtown;citycenter;industrial
The map itself seems to get generated fine. However, whenever I want to start up Ravenhearst with the generated map, the game throws an exception and stops loading:
Started thread GenerateChunks
IndexOutOfRangeException: Array index is out of range.
I tried the whole day now with various generator settings, tried to generate from the vanilla, also from the Ravenhearst folder, always the same problem.
Apart from that, I cannot say whether or not everything I made up is correct or if anything is missing. In fact, this is my first time doing this.
If anyone could take a look and / or try out for oneself, I'd really appreciate any advice to get a generated map running.
Apart from all that, Damocles, really appreciate your work. Would it be possible to include river and ocean generation in your tool in the future? Just asking. I'm already happy there's a different generator apart from the vanilla one out.
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Damocles
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Hi, just came back from an Easter trip.
I have tried your prefab list, it generates fine: important is to set traders to none when generating, as the list does not contain a trader-marked POI, it locks in an infinite loop. You could merge it with prefabs from the vanilla list (not sure how Ravenhearst represents traders), or just mark any POI as trader, to have it find something to place.
I have not tried the Ravenhearst POIs, so Im not sure what else is missing when loading the map.
Tip: mark more POIs as farm, hillbillyjunk, hillbillytrailer, alone, mountain and oldwest.
To give it more variety when using the default settings. Else it would look quite repetative in those locations.
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ecv
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I'm with guppy and khaine regarding the customization.
Perhaps you could make the generation two step, first creating the base files, than give us an opportunity to adjust the output, and then generate the worldfiles?
And more configuration options. Always more configuration options
Our server population is very happy with the results so far, terms like "best map I've ever seen" are not uncommon now. We also like the uneven terrain and that vehicles have to mostly stay on roads. And since roads are butter smooth now, it's great. It felt cheap to be able to bike through terrain without any trouble at all
Perhaps you could make the generation two step, first creating the base files, than give us an opportunity to adjust the output, and then generate the worldfiles?
And more configuration options. Always more configuration options
Our server population is very happy with the results so far, terms like "best map I've ever seen" are not uncommon now. We also like the uneven terrain and that vehicles have to mostly stay on roads. And since roads are butter smooth now, it's great. It felt cheap to be able to bike through terrain without any trouble at all
Damocles
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New version v0.23 online (same download link)
-can set a certain biome for the (radiation) border, (default off) transition to radiation border is more easily visible this way.
-added optional cracks to the landscape (default is off, but they are quite fun when driving...)
-some smoothing options for the landscape and roads
-a simple check for 64 bit Java VM
-fixed font sizes
-can set a certain biome for the (radiation) border, (default off) transition to radiation border is more easily visible this way.
-added optional cracks to the landscape (default is off, but they are quite fun when driving...)
-some smoothing options for the landscape and roads
-a simple check for 64 bit Java VM
-fixed font sizes
xxx73
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Truly amazing tool, keep up the great work.
Im having some problems getting the map I want, so what options do I need to chose to get:
Large and tall mountains, all biomes, some rough terrain, good with smooth areas for building, some rivers, and a few lakes.
For some reason I never get wastland or burnt forest.
I apprentice some thoughts on this.
Have fun
Im having some problems getting the map I want, so what options do I need to chose to get:
Large and tall mountains, all biomes, some rough terrain, good with smooth areas for building, some rivers, and a few lakes.
For some reason I never get wastland or burnt forest.
I apprentice some thoughts on this.
Have fun
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n2n1
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It's a bit offtopic, but I want to ask you as a programmer .
When writing any code before there was a problem with the algorithm to obtain random numbers. This was due to the fact that random numbers in the computer can not be. Therefore, different ways to get pseudo-random were invented. But still are usually, a character appearing numbers were bound to a certain environment, for example to the session of the operating system. That is, the restart of some programs could affect the series of values obtained "randomly".
Do you understand what i'm saying?
I haven't done practical programming for a long time and i'm wondering - are there any ways to get real random numbers now?
.When writing any code before there was a problem with the algorithm to obtain random numbers. This was due to the fact that random numbers in the computer can not be. Therefore, different ways to get pseudo-random were invented. But still are usually, a character appearing numbers were bound to a certain environment, for example to the session of the operating system. That is, the restart of some programs could affect the series of values obtained "randomly".
Do you understand what i'm saying?
I haven't done practical programming for a long time and i'm wondering - are there any ways to get real random numbers now?
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Damocles
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Nitrogen is using the standard Java pseudorandom number generator. The seed is determined by the systemclock, and thus random enough for this kind of purpose. (Not for cryptographically secure number generation)
In the end all computers are deterministic, so “true” random numbers cannot come from them. The best method would be to capture some real world (space) noise signal, or simpler just capture the mouse movement of the user to periodically update the seed.
Most rng will just use the system clock. So unless you want to use it for strong encryption or simulating physics, this is totally enough.
The advantage of rng is that it IS deterministic. So in the case of the vanilla world generator it allows the user to pass the seed to others to generate the same output. In nitrogen this makes less sense as there are lots of configuration options that would also have to be set precisely the same.
In the end all computers are deterministic, so “true” random numbers cannot come from them. The best method would be to capture some real world (space) noise signal, or simpler just capture the mouse movement of the user to periodically update the seed.
Most rng will just use the system clock. So unless you want to use it for strong encryption or simulating physics, this is totally enough.
The advantage of rng is that it IS deterministic. So in the case of the vanilla world generator it allows the user to pass the seed to others to generate the same output. In nitrogen this makes less sense as there are lots of configuration options that would also have to be set precisely the same.
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Hi! This tool looks amazing and I like the work you have done so far. Especially nice to be able to have some coherent system to the roads, and farms in the large rural empty areas etc.
I am wondering if you could please consider making a 6144 map size setting also, or if that is too much work? I have no understanding of it my self- so can't just modify it easily. The reason for this very specific size is that a lot of the online server hosts use that size unless you wish to pay a substantial amount of extra cash. If you allow us to use that size (or custom size really) your tool will have even farther reach. Now that RWG is utterly broken it's even more relevant really.
I am wondering if you could please consider making a 6144 map size setting also, or if that is too much work? I have no understanding of it my self- so can't just modify it easily. The reason for this very specific size is that a lot of the online server hosts use that size unless you wish to pay a substantial amount of extra cash. If you allow us to use that size (or custom size really) your tool will have even farther reach. Now that RWG is utterly broken it's even more relevant really.
Damocles
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New Version: v 0.24
-you can set custom map sizes (experimental) from 4k to 64k (for NASA)
select "custom size" first in the dropdown, then enter an appropriate number in the parameter-field
(download link in first post)
This is still experimental, (I have successfully loaded a map with 6000 x 6000 in singleplayer.)
Please keep the sizes in a meaningful range, and dont go over 16k unless you know what you are doing (such huge maps can eat up quite a lot of disk space).
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imported hightmaps are now smoothed more when they are smaller than the target map size. (looking less blocky). So you can play on your favorite (grey) cat picture....
Its still best practice to use hightmaps of the same size as the target world size. (will have most details then)
-you can set custom map sizes (experimental) from 4k to 64k (for NASA)
select "custom size" first in the dropdown, then enter an appropriate number in the parameter-field
(download link in first post)
This is still experimental, (I have successfully loaded a map with 6000 x 6000 in singleplayer.)
Please keep the sizes in a meaningful range, and dont go over 16k unless you know what you are doing (such huge maps can eat up quite a lot of disk space).
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other:
imported hightmaps are now smoothed more when they are smaller than the target map size. (looking less blocky). So you can play on your favorite (grey) cat picture....
Its still best practice to use hightmaps of the same size as the target world size. (will have most details then)
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