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A19 NPCs DMT Mod
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Kilroy5150
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Well, fellas, if there's one thing that can be said about you is that you ARE dedicated. No arguments possible. You're writing code, for us, on a Sunday and that's much appreciated.
mr.devolver
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I can't even keep up updating to the latest versions, I just finished updating one version, testing right now and now I see two new updates lol. Of course I'm NOT complaining, in fact I love this mod so much that it's hard to force myself to go to sleep in real life.
Kilroy5150
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Just for tweaking purposes:
The NPCs still have 2 bad habits:
1) When you say "guard here" they will attack Zeds but they won't come back to that, exact spot. There are times that you want them at that "exact" spot....say to guard a door to keep Zeds from coming in.
2) For no reason at all, they will follow you around like a little brother / sister after you've given them an order to guard somewhere
I experienced all of this with the farmer NPC. I have to admit i am having different experiences with some NPCs.
They need XLM "crazy" glue to keep them in place and remember to get back to their guard spot after they attack. There's gotta be a way to do it.
And this is just me throwing it in there....When they wander into your space and you say "follow me" to get them back out, sometimes they (literally) get stuck behind something and destroy whatever it is to get back out. It's not a major issue but it makes keeping a nice place a chore. If they were to destroy a forge, that would be bad. I guess you would call that their obstacle logic?
The NPCs still have 2 bad habits:
1) When you say "guard here" they will attack Zeds but they won't come back to that, exact spot. There are times that you want them at that "exact" spot....say to guard a door to keep Zeds from coming in.
2) For no reason at all, they will follow you around like a little brother / sister after you've given them an order to guard somewhere
I experienced all of this with the farmer NPC. I have to admit i am having different experiences with some NPCs.
They need XLM "crazy" glue to keep them in place and remember to get back to their guard spot after they attack. There's gotta be a way to do it.
And this is just me throwing it in there....When they wander into your space and you say "follow me" to get them back out, sometimes they (literally) get stuck behind something and destroy whatever it is to get back out. It's not a major issue but it makes keeping a nice place a chore. If they were to destroy a forge, that would be bad. I guess you would call that their obstacle logic?
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Darkstardragon
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Yes, you definitely dont want them in the main area of your base, probably out in the courtyard or somewhere outside. Oh, and as a side note its great to see people as passionate about npcs in 7dtd as i am. I was crushed when tfp took out static spawners in a16 and then took out uma npc code in a17. Thanks to sphere and xyth i can have npcs again, and much better than the uma ones i used to use:whoo:
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Kilroy5150
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I tried three. Two guarding the back area and one at the front door. Once this whole wandering off issue gets fixed it will pay off. They're a good alternative to turrets until you can get turrets.
Still, the wandering traders can kill you WAY faster than any zombies. If they're in your area, and you're working on dealing with zombies, you could get hit by one of their "missile" rounds and their friendly fire will kill you in a second unless you're either heavily armored or have a ton of health.
I think it would be better to give them standard rounds rather than these missile rounds that blow up and take you down with the zombie. Even a mini-gun would be better than those exploding rounds they have now. In all honesty, i've been killed (more) by the traders than zombies lately. lol.
mr.devolver
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Their weapons are fine, we just need to be able to turn off friendly fire, so that your own NPCs will not kill you if you get between them and their real target.
Perhaps it should check the server option which controls friendly fire, if you turn it off, your friendly NPCs should never hurt you and you should never hurt them.
xyth
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The damage done by the traders, NPC, and Bandit weapons are adjustable in items.xml so dont feel you have to use my default values. Also, the bandits and traders do not yet use the NPC faction code so have no friendly fire restrictions yet. Once the NPC code is stable I will convert the traders and bandits to also use some of the NPC code.
mr.devolver
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I'm confused. Does this mean that NPCs that can be hired already have the option to turn off friendly fire? If so, how do we use it?
As for the traders and bandits, I can't recall the last time I got hit by wandering traders, if at all. I'm actually happy when bandits find me and attack me, because it's a nice change to the game and zombies are no longer the only threat.
I was hit by my own follower though and that can be lethal sometimes, so if there is an option that would simply prevent our followers from killing us and maybe prevent us from killing them by accident, that would be awesome.
xyth
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No, at this point friendly fire in NPCs mean if you are their leader you and anyone in your party cant hurt them, and they can't hurt another NPC in your hire (and maybe in a party members hire, I forget if that made it in). But they can hit you with friendly fire. Not sure is Sphereii wants to add that aspect of friendly fire prevention in out not.
mr.devolver
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It would be cool if that was an option, it would allow more flexibility for mod creators too. I mean, there are pros and cons and one of the cons is definitely that they can hurt you by accident, close quarter situations may be lethal and sometimes it doesn't really depend on your own skills. Don't get me wrong, NPC companions are very useful, for example when you are facing a horde somewhere outside, they can really take care of some of them for you, but once inside, they can actually do more harm than good depending on the situation. I would love to confidently take them into any POI without worrying that they will kill me.
Here's an example in which this option would be useful:
Maybe some mod creator would like to create a mod in which you have a quest during which you must meet an NPC and the NPC would join you. You wouldn't be able to kill him, he wouldn't be able to kill you, but let's say that as the story unfolds, your NPC friend turns against you and you have to kill him. Friendly fire would switch to ON, so that he could kill you, but also you could kill him to proceed in the quest.
I guess in this example, it would require more than just friendly fire switch, but the flexibility would already be in place.
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mr.devolver
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Thanks for reassurance that it might be added eventually. This mod is already awesome and it will be even better with that option. With bandits, wandering traders and NPCs you can hire, you get long hours of solo roleplay without getting bored. Companions give you that "we're in this together" feeling, wandering traders give you that "I'm not alone in this apocalypse" feeling and bandits give you that restless feeling that you can get shot at any time and you have to act fast if you want to stay alive - "Oh sh** who's shooting at me?" or "Damn, I have to try a different way, because this one is still too powerful for me to deal with!". Basically this set of mods gives me what I always wanted to have in the base game and it was never added.
Kilroy5150
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Okay, is it just the sound or do some of their weapons have a "radius" effect when they impact? I've been in the small trailer parks and heard a shot go off, saw the exploding effect, then been blown right off the trailer's porch before the zombies could even get out the door. If it is, which code affects it?
xyth
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Effects what? The sound? The explosion? Did they hit a gas barrel or car? The xml that controls damage is in the items.xml. The sound used is the vanilla blunderbuss sound, the projectile only has a .25 block impact radius. There is no explosion beyond the particle effect which is a visual explosion effect.
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mr.devolver
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Xyth,
I just had a perfect situation in which I went into Pass-N-Gas, I attacked a zombie, but I only had a stone axe and suddenly a nurse NPC came from behind and finished that zombie for me. Soon after that, I looted the room, found a shotgun, went to the second room / garage, door was open and even before I reached it, a zombie that was inside went straight to me. I shot him and suddenly I had two bandits on my back, BanditEve and BanditArcher who both attacked me. That was probably a random rare coincidence, but it was pretty intense and very cool and it made me think that maybe it would be cool if wandering traders, bandits and npcs had a chance to be attracted to the sounds like shooting and follow the source. That could create some interesting situations like this one.
I just had a perfect situation in which I went into Pass-N-Gas, I attacked a zombie, but I only had a stone axe and suddenly a nurse NPC came from behind and finished that zombie for me. Soon after that, I looted the room, found a shotgun, went to the second room / garage, door was open and even before I reached it, a zombie that was inside went straight to me. I shot him and suddenly I had two bandits on my back, BanditEve and BanditArcher who both attacked me. That was probably a random rare coincidence, but it was pretty intense and very cool and it made me think that maybe it would be cool if wandering traders, bandits and npcs had a chance to be attracted to the sounds like shooting and follow the source. That could create some interesting situations like this one.
Kilroy5150
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The particle effect must pass through a player (sometimes) when being shot at them because, as i said, i was on a porch of a trailer and heard the shot, saw the effect, then got blown off the porch and died. No, no gas barrel or car, i just heard the boom, saw the particles, then was dead. I mean it either hit me, dead on or hit the door (in front of my face) then blew me up. That's really what i'm trying to understand.
Do they shoot regular bullets or do the bullets have any real grenade-like explosive damage radius from the traders? They're the ones who have caused me to die more times than anything when they're close and i'm dealing with zombies. I'm just trying to understand what types of rounds they are using, standard or explosive?
The bandits and wandering traders have the "ApproachSpot" vanilla AI task so they will investigate "heat" caused by noise. The NPCs do not have that task, but it could be added to their xml if you wanted.
Kilroy5150
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The NPCs and traders do show up in the strangest places, that's for sure. I just wish they were more focused when following me. They seem to get distracted, by zombies, that are off in the distance. But, if you wanna clear a house without being disturbed, they are the perfect companion to bring along.
Kilroy5150
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I know this is an odd question but...could we "pocket" them when we travel? I mean, you're hiring them until death, right? Why not make them something we can carry around and just drop on an instant? I say this because of that problem they have when, if you hire them and take off on any kind of vehicle, they can't keep up with you to help if you need them on a mission.
Just a thought.
It would be as cool as having an auto-turret that you could drop on an instant with it's own mini-battery pack (hint hint) lol!
Just a thought.
It would be as cool as having an auto-turret that you could drop on an instant with it's own mini-battery pack (hint hint) lol!
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