A New Chapter for The Fun Pimps and 7 Days to Die

[Dead Smarty]

One variant of "service game" might be that they publish officially sanctioned mods in a store like bethesda tried years ago (that would be one possibility to get a selection of mods approved for consoles).

Initialy the Fallout 4 mods were not in the PS store but free on the modpage in the game's start menu. On top of that they added the Creation Club with many game breaking paid items. The 10th aniversary update for PS5 changed it and now all mods go throught the Creation Club store, some paid and some still free. The old system did work, the new not so much.

Major difference between Fallout and this game however is the importance of the publisher behind it: TFP/BI will most likely not get the same leeway from Sony as Bethesda/Zenimax got. On the upside: WC/Snail did get full crossplay and mods on all systems so there is hope for people looking forward to mods on consoles. The flipside is that their modsystem is very greedy (50/50 split) and console space for mods very limited. Personaly I am indifferent if it will happen

But whatever happened or will happen, I'm surprised of the level of patience and copium some long time players have.

Yes, but we can still assume that many console players HAVE seen that roadmap. Add word of mouth and I would assume there is a large junk of console players who expect bandits. And if there is a ■■■■storm, that publicity will make even more aware of it.

You can assume for sure. The mother of all F-ups. Unless gaming is your dayjob and you dig deep in every social media platform available to you, you could indeed see the entire history. But it was nowhere mentioned or marketed towards consoles and just a quick goolgle and Youtube search only gave the feeling the game barely existed. There just was no mainstream publicity, only people following the TT version got notified it was finaly a Version 1.0 in early acces for PS5. Also don't overestimate the average console gamers will to do deep dive research: Consoles were supposed to be "plug&play", no studies needed.

Finaly: You can get inspiration for a good game from a good story, even from a bad story. Trying however to shoehorn a good story on an existing game seems to be a bit harder as many poor adaptations have proven. Sofar it seems to me there is only a vague incostent rough draft, maybe stop wasting time on that.

 

[InfiniteWarrior]

7D2D will probably get an entry into the guiness book . But apart from that Subnautica2 is not a good comparison.Because a successor game is often much less work as much of its code and assets are based on a finished original game. Secondly many games start EA for their game relatively late in the development process, especially games relying on story like subnautica. And that hides part of the development time and makes comparisons difficult.

True. Probably not the best example, but twelve years is still a very long time.

Trying however to shoehorn a good story on an existing game seems to be a bit harder as many poor adaptations have proven. Sofar it seems to me there is only a vague incostent rough draft, maybe stop wasting time on that.

They have to "waste time" on it because it was advertised as part of the completed game and, therefore, must be included, as unmemorable as I personally expect it to be.

Afic, you've just differentiated a RPG from other games. With a RPG, story and characterization come first; mechanics support them. With most games -- including supposed RPGs today -- it's the other way around. Mechanics rule supreme. If there is a story, it's generally as lame and/or unmemorable as it gets. That's why I see RPGs as close to extinction. Creating a game with branching questlines and meaningful choices is apparently considered too expensive by industry CEOs today who offer the lame excuse that the studio will be developing content "no one will ever see," which is, of course, utter nonsense as that's what accounted for the extraordinary replayability of cRPGs in the first place. Today, instead of getting action games with "RPG elements," the formula is being stripped down even further in the form of survival games, imo. Why produce a RPG when you can just produce the "RPG elements"? Not holding my breath that will change any time soon, if ever, either.

 

[meganoth]

Afic, you've just differentiated a RPG from other games. With a RPG, story and characterization come first; mechanics support them. With most games -- including supposed RPGs today -- it's the other way around. Mechanics rule supreme. If there is a story, it's generally as lame and/or unmemorable as it gets. That's why I see RPGs as close to extinction. Creating a game with branching questlines and meaningful choices is apparently considered too expensive by industry CEOs today who offer the lame excuse that the studio will be developing content "no one will ever see," which is, of course, utter nonsense as that's what accounted for the extraordinary replayability of cRPGs in the first place. Today, instead of getting action games with "RPG elements," the formula is being stripped down even further in the form of survival games, imo. Why produce a RPG when you can just produce the "RPG elements"? Not holding my breath that will change any time soon, if ever, either.

Baldurs Gate 3, Pathfinder something something Righteous, ...

RPGs will not go away, they just won't get produced by many AAA companies who usually flock to the genre that makes the most money currently.
You look at open world or survival games and ask why they often are not really full-fledged RPGs. The answer is simple: They are centered on a different genre.