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Double G said:
Most 7 Days to Die players are not using mods, waiting for updates to use mods, or whatever. That is the most sensible deduction to make on the matter.
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I've been playing 7D2D since A9 (I think) and since the release of 1.0 I haven't been using any mods.
Vanilla gameplay has become so much better compared to before, that I don't really feel the need for mods.

Also, to be totally honest, I don't play THAT much that I get burned out with vanilla and need mods to "get a fix". :sneaky:
 
Double G said:
I'm much more confident in my "trust me bro" than your "trust me bro".

It is known that games are dominated by casuals. Wanna sell a lot of games...make them as easy as possible. Even Baldur's Gate 3, a much bigger game than 7 Days to Die with a much bigger modding community stated that 40% of their players use mods, and that was after the devs patched in official mod support, 4 years after the initial release of the game. Mod.io states: "Our case studies show that above 40% of players engage with mods when they’re accessible in-game, which is an increase of at least 400% compared to relying on third party solutions and manual installation".
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Third party solutions (Nexus, 7DaysToDie.com) and manual installation ("where are the folders I need to put these mods in?").

Most 7 Days to Die players are not using mods, waiting for updates to use mods, or whatever. That is the most sensible deduction to make on the matter.
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and you are entitled to your own opinion. I disagree that yours is the most sensible conclusion. this is a very niche game.
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Blue mame said:
He is stating a fact, while you are fabricating a question.
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what fact is he stating?
 
HammerDano said:
what you call "twisting the premise" I call presenting a different perspective.
You are both trying to present opinion based on "common sense" as being factual. You seem to be missing the point I am making...neither of us are using verifiable facts. I have been stating that over and over...you didn't get me in a "gotcha".
My arguments do not sway your opinion...you don't like how I interpret what information we have. cool. I am not entitled to know why.
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A different perspective does not excuse you from relying on unproven assumptions just as much as you claim we do.
You keep repeating that neither side has verifiable facts, yet you still came into this thread specifically to call out Double G and me for using opinion as fact, while acting as if your own alternative viewpoint is somehow more legitimate. That is hypocrisy in its clearest form.
We never once pretended our common-sense deductions were absolute, irrefutable proven facts. We only stated realistic, widely observed player behavior. You are the one who is upset over nothing, chasing a gotcha moment that simply does not exist.
You are free to hold your own interpretation of the limited information available. But do not keep framing your own subjective take as some neutral, superior outside perspective, while still criticizing ours for being nothing but opinion.
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HammerDano said:
and you are entitled to your own opinion. I disagree that yours is the most sensible conclusion. this is a very niche game.
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what fact is he stating?
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He stated that not everyone who says they don't have mods installed is lying, but you countered by asking if he represents the majority of players. What were you trying to achieve by asking that question?
 
Blue mame said:
A different perspective does not excuse you from relying on unproven assumptions just as much as you claim we do.
You keep repeating that neither side has verifiable facts, yet you still came into this thread specifically to call out Double G and me for using opinion as fact, while acting as if your own alternative viewpoint is somehow more legitimate. That is hypocrisy in its clearest form.
We never once pretended our common-sense deductions were absolute, irrefutable proven facts. We only stated realistic, widely observed player behavior. You are the one who is upset over nothing, chasing a gotcha moment that simply does not exist.
You are free to hold your own interpretation of the limited information available. But do not keep framing your own subjective take as some neutral, superior outside perspective, while still criticizing ours for being nothing but opinion.
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for ■■■■ sake...get it thru your head, we have been having an opinion based argument. I have not been saying that my arguments are more valid than yours...I have been saying that you can't claim that yours are "common sense based" and therefore "better". the same ■■■■ing thing you are trying to say I have been doing. Maybe there's a language barrier? I don't know.
 
HammerDano said:
for ■■■■ sake...get it thru your head, we have been having an opinion based argument. I have not been saying that my arguments are more valid than yours...I have been saying that you can't claim that yours are "common sense based" and therefore "better". the same ■■■■ing thing you are trying to say I have been doing. Maybe there's a language barrier? I don't know.
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You’re absolutely right, and I think a lot of this misunderstanding does come down to miscommunication and language barriers on both sides.
We have all just been exchanging personal opinions this entire discussion, with no hard facts on any side. I don’t disagree at all with your main point: nobody’s opinion should be treated as more correct, more legitimate, or inherently superior just by calling it “common sense”.
Neither side holds undeniable proof. We’re all just drawing different conclusions from the same limited information. There’s no need for us to keep going back and forth over who is right or wrong. We can all simply acknowledge that we have different perspectives, and leave it at that.
 
Double G said:
Most players of games don't even go too deep into in-game settings let alone figuring out how to find mods and find where the folders might be for them to place them.
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You're overestimating people. They're not as engaged and as savvy as you think.
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Double G said:
Most 7 Days to Die players are not using mods, waiting for updates to use mods, or whatever. That is the most sensible deduction to make on the matter.
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When the jars came back, there was no shortage of complaints and gripes about how TFP was forcing players to eat 40-60% of their jars and how immersion-breaking it is for jars to only sometimes be returned after drinking or eating something.

My expectations for the lowest denominator of player is very, very low, because evidently the JAR RETURN % IN THE 'LOAD GAME' MENU SETTINGS is a buried and obscure modifier beyond mere mortals.
 
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