Makaroni95
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Finally A22 Diary! Please say that we get new Doors craftable! I hated A21 because we cannot make those new Doors
PC 1.0 (A22) Dev Diary Overflow
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Adam the Waster
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So ridiculous that it will happen in real life if you try it. Run up to a fence and start jumping too late and I promise you will have a hard landing on your face.
zztong
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I didn't, but I do now, I think. It has taken me a few times to watching that part at 25% speed and your commentary here to really get to know what is happening.
Ah yes, that makes sense.
Riamus
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FranticDan
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This is the very moment I attempted to jump the fence, approx 50cm away from the fence, which apparently is too close to get your feet off the ground.
And here is a video of me disproving that this "hopping" is a feature -
And here is a video of me disproving that this "hopping" is a feature -
Callum123456789
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lets not get realism mixed up with gameplay too, ive seen this argument made before where its realistic but sometimes realism harms gameplay and creates a negative experiences.
edit: also yeah sometimes block hitboxes can be messy ive had this before too.
edit: also yeah sometimes block hitboxes can be messy ive had this before too.
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Riamus
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Ok, so I admit I didn't watch the previous video you posted but this one you are getting over the fence every time. And quite clearly, you are also hitting the fence in your jump in multiple instances. It isn't unusual to hit something while jumping forward in a game and have it interrupt your jump. If you get in the habit of jumping sooner, you won't have a problem with hitting a fence or whatever else while jumping.
If there *was* a feature allowing you to "hop" instead of do a full jump, I'd actually really like that. I always max parkour but doing so means it can be extremely difficult to make certain jumps in some POI because they are designed for when you don't have parkour and so you can't easily make those jumps. I have had to just break walls or window frames or chandeliers to make these jumps when I had parkour. Being able to not have that happen would be great. But unless you hit something while jumping, you're going to do a full jump every time. And hitting something causing your jump to fail is not at all uncommon in games and just something to get used to, imo.
Sarakatunga
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Hello, well in conclusion who is responsible for the 3D modeling of the players, will it be possible to see more than 100 meters now?
toores
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Exactly!
I love turning environment sounds up it truly pulls you into the game. I Fallout I actually loved that in heavy weather I could not hear enemy footsteps so well and had to rely on my sight more. (In Fallout I used some weather mods as well)
At the moment I have this volume toggle at 10-20%, because I can't stand the non-environmental sinistaer sound samples. Just the other day I turned it up again because it was weird not hearng the rainfall but turned it back down in 10 minutes because the sinister sound clips took me out of the game.
Separate toggle please! I thing those sounds are nice I you like this type of sound effects, but I alwauys turn music and theme sounds and non-environmental stuff off and only leave environmet sounds. To me, it's the most immersive experience.
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Crater Creator
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I didn't realize the difference between hopping and jumping was going to be a focus of A22, but here we are.
We’re doing the overflow thread again to maintain organization/topicality. This is directed at everyone: if the subject of your post isn't mentioned in the top post of the dev diary, or by a developer, then please find or create a more appropriate thread to discuss it. Where to draw that line can be tricky, so please mind where you’re posting so we don’t have to move your post.
Arez
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I'm confused about what you're asking.
I think you might've quoted the wrong person.
It looks to me like you are too close to the fence (if I compare it to my memorized idea of when to jump in 7d2d). Jumping while running surely follows a physically correct "ballistic trajectory". If you can run relatively fast compared to the upwards speed of the jump the curve will need more like a meter or more to reach the highest point of that curve.
Even worse in the wilderness where a little unevenness of the ground could mean you are slightly lower than base height of the fence.
You are trying to increase the jump distance to the fence by approaching in a steep angle. This helps, but in the game you and the obstacle may have slightly bigger collision boxes than the visible frame so you could hit the fence earlier than expected as well. Also the collision boxes may be simply rectangular boxes that don't follow your frame closely everywhere. This could contribute further to the effect that jumping at a steep angle is not as effective as it should be.
A failed jump just stops your jump, which seems unnatural because in reality you would topple over the fence and falling on your face which isn't implemented in the game.
What I would have expected. If you are timing your jump correctly and start jumping early enough you will reach a sufficient height when you reach the fence. And it seems you are jumping from a sufficient distance in this video, from farther away than in the first video.
Also it shows that the fence is high enough that you are only marginally clearing it (as you seem to often hit the top of the fence) which means the window of distance where the jump works is quite narrow.
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FranticDan
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You just said, 50cm is too close to jump (screenshot), but TOUCHING the fence is far enough away (video).
I made many MANY attempts to replicate the "hop" using people's comments pointing out possible causes of why I'm hopping, and I proved them to be incorrect with this video. I successfully jumped the fence, EVERY....SINGLE....TIME. Jumping at different angles, AND slightly different distances.
Not to mention, using the fence posts to help replicate it, as I was close to one when this occurred in my clip.
This is the exact same fence in both the clip and video.
In the end, it cost me 60 stamina (3 jumps) to jump the fence, instead of 20 (1 jump). This is literally a matter of life or death when in mid-combat like I was.
The ultimate solution to this topic, would be to ask a member of TFP:
"Is there specific code that tells the game to keep the players feet firmly on the ground and cost 20 stamina when attempting specific jumps?".
I'm going to assume that no such code exists. Although, actually getting an official answer to this question would be great!
You said it is 50cm in your video, I just accepted your estimation. It just feels too close to the fence for me and my muscle memory. To me your failed jump in the first video seems to be happening from a closer distance than all the jumps of your second video now. That is why I think everything is as expected.
It is possible that I am wrong and am not seeing correctly what happens as a video is different from actually being in the game. But look again at your first video, it looks like you are as good as touching the fence if you assume you are not a stick figure but a person with typical width.
And in the second video you never try to jump the fence in a similar steep angle as in the first video.
Not sure the fence posts have any influence in your jump. There is a good chance a fence has a very simple rectangular collision box.
BFT2020
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You might not have realize just how difficult it was for me in the A22 developer thread not to be smartass and kept responding to the OPs post about chatter with meaningless chatter
FranticDan
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I have to ask, did you watch at 25% speed?
And are we even talking about the same jump attempt? (This all happens very quickly and is easy to miss)
After the "hop" happens, my character continues to run towards the fence, and then as I start to slide along the fence, the reload animation begins.
You can see the moment the "hop" happens when my stamina drops from 79 - 59.
Considering that I continued to run towards the fence after trying to jump, I don't think I was too close to the fence. IMO.
The jump I make during the reloading is not the "hop". You can only half jump while reloading.
spud42
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A21 has perk/magazine crossovers that need to be sorted out for A22. with the cooking magazines the master chef perks are redundant and a waste of points. Its the same with grease monkey i havent put any points into it and i am only 10 magazines away from building a gyro. the amount of points to max strength and then grease monkey are better spent elsewhere. I suppose it gives the player a choice . is there any overhaul of the magazine /perk duplications in A22?
theFlu
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Looking at the twitch clip (welcome to /general 
) ... I don't think I'd be able to replicate that intentionally, at all. In my experience, this game doesn't really knock you "down" when you collide with your 'destined' block, you should only fail a 1m jump if crouching or reloading - or hitting your head. It's a completely weird behavior to me.
) ... I don't think I'd be able to replicate that intentionally, at all. In my experience, this game doesn't really knock you "down" when you collide with your 'destined' block, you should only fail a 1m jump if crouching or reloading - or hitting your head. It's a completely weird behavior to me.